Kenzodielocke
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I mean, I post here sometimes. Your perception must be really lacking if you think that I am serious about this. Like honestly Bobby, please.
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Wonder Woman and the Mystery of the Missing Marketing.
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I mean, I post here sometimes. Your perception must be really lacking if you think that I am serious about this. Like honestly Bobby, please.
No watchmen on the list but CA FA is on there?
Come on Bobby
I wouldn't put Watchmen on any good comic book movies list either. Not because it is a bad movie in and of itself. There just isn't a reason to watch it when the comic is the same story told the exact same way, except better. I consider that the worst kind of adaptation.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't have you kids fuckin' memorized, Jesus. It's why I asked you to drop the gimmick if there was one!
edit: It was just a list off the top of my head, Rap! There's a lot of shit on my own blu-ray shelf that I didn't throw on there.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I have one bone to pick with your list though. I do not agree with anime being comic book movies. Just doesn't feel right.
I don't really understand this.
KonradLaw
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I don't know. The movie had a lot better ending than the comicbook.
Bobby Roberts
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I dunno, seems valid to me. It's a book that got turned into a movie. That the movie is animated doesn't really change that it was adapted.
(And sorry for missing the gag earlier)
edit: Also, even though my estimation of Watchmen has dropped from its initial release (which I reviewed positively, if not glowingly) I do think the few changes that were made to the story were decent ones.
I also think the adaptation of V for Vendetta improves on the comic itself.
One could argue it fundamentally misses the point, so i have a hard time agreeing. A space squid is a harder sell to audiences though, so i can see why they tried something else.
Why would I want to watch an adaptation that does absolutely nothing meaningfully different from the source material?
My question when watching Watchmen has always been "Why am I not reading the book instead". Because for me, it's the same thing, except better.
I guess some people just want to see something in comic form turned into live action and that in itself is worth having. But not for me. That's why I prefer the V for Vendetta movie. It wasn't as good as the source material either, but it did things differently enough that it was worth watching even having read the comic.
You're goddamn right.
DC sandwich
Marvelwich
The DC sandwich is the theater version. Got to get the uncut version
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Because I like the book and I want to see it in 24 frames per second, with real actors? Is that a concept too hard to grasp? I honestly don't understand why you need people to explain to you why they want to watch an exact adaption of something. Though to be fair, you said it's not what you want. However, your reasoning that a movie that does an exact adaptiation cannot go in to a top 10 list is stil not feasable for me.
Edit: Also, not a lot of people read comic books anymore.
DC sandwich
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Hey, that DC sandwich actually looks pretty good. Then again, I am pretty hungry right now.
You gotta explain that one for me. I always thought it would be pretty cheesy and terrible now.
This cannot be real...
Me to
It's not hard to grasp at all. You don't need to explain anything. I understand it just fine. You liked a thing, and you wanted to see a thing again except irl. It's not complicated.
I just don't share the sentiment. If a movie is a 1:1 adaptation, I have no reason to not read the original material. "It's life action" just isn't a selling point for me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Oh, it's corny as shit. But the earnest nature of what it's trying to do is winsome more than it is cloying. It wants to be (and often is) this big, open-hearted love-letter to heroism itself, and at some point you can't really cut that with cynicism and not hurt the story to some degree. So it's corny and cheesy, but it's appealingly so. It's Superman being Superman - approachable, likable, shucks/golly Superman. There's going to be some corn in there.
Granted, Donner actually does introduce a healthy dose of cynicism (when the movie moves to Metropolis), but mostly as a means to have Clark/Superman defuse it with his presence and actions (and the cynicism itself is also softened in the way Metropolis is shot - it's the most comic book this comic book movie gets, really).
To bring this back to Wonder Woman, (wha? huh?) it's one of the things I'm most curious about, the way it seems to be kinda/sorta patterned on Superman the Movie as an origin story. Down to Diana protecting Steve from an assault in an alley by using her powers. Granted, Clark's trying to be sneaky about it, and Diana isn't, because Lois doesn't know in her movie and Steve does in his.
But Wonder Woman, just from the marketing, seems to have inverted the split: Superman: The Movie is straight up '70s sci-fi for the first hour or so, even when it's being a moving Norman Rockwell painting. It's a movie about an alien living on Earth and dealing with that. It's all soft-focus and discussion of hopes and feelings. It's also, relatively, desaturated and arty. And then it gets to Metropolis and it's all bold colors, rapid-fire dialogue, fast motion, quick cuts: Comic Booky and "fun!" as shit. Right?
Wonder Woman seems to be all golden hues and bold colors and human drama and "wow!" on Themiscyra, at the beginning of the film. And then Diana leaves home, and comes to the big city, and everything gets way more monochrome and muted.
I'm really curious as to how it's going to play out, and if people are going to end up wishing, like they did with the first Thor (and like they're finally going to get with Ragnarok) that the whole movie simply took place in the fantasy realm and never dealt with "the real world" at all.
cant be real if our eyes ain't real
nah i'll just wait until it's all good. i got mkxl for $4 and it had everything in it and runs flawlessly.
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This is something I need to rewatch because I saw it just the once a few years ago and hated it. I'm not necessarily "an adaptation must be 100 percent faithful" guy (and I didn't even like the comic THAT much; my favorite part of it is Moore's foreword, where he asks you to forgive you him for having such a juvenile, reactionary take on the Thatcher era :lol) but I found the sermonizing in the Wachowskis' movie the worst kind of liberal agit-prop. Like Sorkin's The Newsroom, it's one of those things that makes you feel embarrassed for being associated with that side of the spectrum. The not-so-subtle allusions to 9/11 trutherism were also just...ugh.
But like I said, I'm due for a rewatch. Especially NOW, of all times. :lol
Bobby Roberts
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I should probably revisit it myself, as it's been awhile.
I would love to hear this argument. I have not read the comic but I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I always hear people say it missed the point. What does that mean????
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You should give the comic a shot
Which has been completely proven wrong the last few years. You can sell anything to audiences as long as the execution is good.
Then again, we're talking about Snyder, and given how horrendous his Doomsday was, maybe it was best he skipped on the giant space squid.
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Sure thing, i'll have a go at it. I'll preface it by saying i liked it, (Only seen the DC), but had some niggles with the adaptation as a whole.
The way i see it, Swapping the Psychic squid with Manhattan has 2 main problems:
1) Manhattan is a US propoganda piece, a walking nuclear deterrent, and has been used to end wars (Vietnam most notably). To the world, Manhatten is as american as the stars and stripes. If he goes rogue and wipes out several major cities worldwide, US included, you'd have the world blaming the US government for losing control of a superweapon they themselves have pointed at their enemies for years. Its a change to the story that undermines Ozymandias' brilliance and his entire scheme.
2): The Squid is meant to be so ridicoulous, so alien, that the entire world would have to stop their squabbles just to attempt to comprehend it. Ozy owned several movie production companies, who made numerous alien invasion sci fi movies to subliminally mold people into accepting the unification needed to overcome the monster. More importantly, it only Attacked New York, meaning the world can't really blame the US for anything per se, and the resulting influx of sympathy would mend old wounds.
I don't think changing the threat to Manhattan is a terrible idea, it just needed Snyder to play it more loose in terms of the adaptation for it to work. I consider it Snyder's best movie, i'm just frustrated it didn't have the balls to go full space squid, and the substitute doesn't entirely work.
In fairness, his Doomsday itself isn't entirely unfaithful to the comics, atleast in terms of his personality. But if there was ever an argument to be unfaithful to the comics, Doomsday was it.
Hmmm, might actually give it a watch. That sounds very interesting.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I hope you do! I mean, it might not work despite all that, but I think keeping the context of when it came out in mind (just keeping it mind, that is, not letting it make excuses for the film's execution though) will help in giving it a fair shot.
but it could still just come across as supercorny more than anything. Which is fair - people in 78/79 thought that too.
I was coming off the dome! It wasn't a comprehensive list built on hours of research or whatever!
Dude was goofing in the first place!
but it could still just come across as supercorny more than anything. Which is fair - people in 78/79 thought that too.
I was coming off the dome! It wasn't a comprehensive list built on hours of research or whatever!
Dude was goofing in the first place!
Hellboy: The Golden Army is much better than the original. The Barry Manilow sequence remains one of the most outrageously underappreciated sequences in the genre.
And I love Constantine, but even I have to admit that film is flawed as all hell*
It sure does have its moments, though.
*Yes, that was intentional.
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Watchmen shouldnt have changed the ending. Big mistake. Didnt even have to be a squid just some monstrosity...
Messofanego
Banned
Yeah, I hope the colour palette does figure into the storytelling like that.
Adam_Vania
Banned
they should've gone with Nazis as the villains. i have been watching the original series on MeTV and it is a hoot. this has that tired DC grimdark feel and with generic WWI baddies, hard to get excited about.
I think it does. There's a clip where she remarks that London looks like shit. I assume the gloominess is a visual signifier that the war is draining life from the world.
Messofanego
Banned
Good to know but London always looks gloomy, though, world war notwithstanding 😂
I mean to be fair, London hasn't improved much since.
It's weird that there is more Justice League marketing, a movie that is many months away, than a film that is out in about a month. That may be the most damning evidence.
If they are sending out WW to sink or swim on it's own, I don't know what that says about the film when JL practically sells itself and they marketed the fuck out of Suicide Squad knowing the movie was a mess. It definitely makes it appear that they don't feel it's marketable and would rather move onto the next big spectacle.
If they are sending out WW to sink or swim on it's own, I don't know what that says about the film when JL practically sells itself and they marketed the fuck out of Suicide Squad knowing the movie was a mess. It definitely makes it appear that they don't feel it's marketable and would rather move onto the next big spectacle.
This must be a US thing.
In UK before GOTG 2 yesterday they had an 'exclusive clip' of Gal/Chris talking the film up. Then a trailer. Before Beauty & The Beast today they had a new trailer. And I'm guessing it's playing in front of Fast and The Furious 8 as well.
HanzSnubSnub
Member
So what your saying is that the best part of DCEU, the trailers, we aren't even getting this time?
That sucks.
That sucks.
You are a day late.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Later, actually: The two TV spots hit on Thursday
Also, 2 extra TV spots doesn't really change the discussion all that much. Certainly doesn't close it.
The next few weeks might, though.
We got 3 tho in last two days. But i think there is abit to much focus on tv spots only really.
They have the power of magazine cover also with Gadot wich they are doing now. And i just saw Pine is starting to get on late night shows soon.
But today there was a very good article about "Batman V Superman & Suicide Squad Changed WB's Marketing" on Screenrant. With info from Time Warner's Chief Marketing Officer, Kristen O'Hara.
Very nice read.
http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-suicide-squad-changed-dc-plan/
KonradLaw
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Original ending didn't fit the story. It always was the only really weak part of the comic and the movie fixed that by giving us solution that actually directly tied to the whole story, instead of feeling like a cheap shock trick that came from nowhere.
Shoutout to Arrival.
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