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Sony's actual quietness

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Chris Metal

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bigjig

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I-hate-u said:
Again, people are posting as if they know something.
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I don't know anything, but I feel like if Sony had a barebones set of announcements for E3 they never would've let The Last of Us 2 be a PSX announcement. If they are willing to end PSX with that I can't wait to see what they have to kick off and end their e3 conference.
 
SlimySnake

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
GRaider81 said:
Sony does its talking on the field.
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timberger said:
They're walking the walk while MS talks the talk.
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Yjynx said:
I'd rather have more games than PR talk every week.....
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Marcel said:
I prefer nothing over Phil Spencer doing his signature form of blowing smoke up my ass every week.
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i love these posts and those are just from page 3.

I am glad gaf is catching on to Spencer's bullshit. I thought i was the only who didnt trust this guy always saying the right thing and then turning around and doing the complete opposite. For all his talk of being pro games and gamers and doing right by gamers, he has a pretty pathetic record when it comes to delivering.

I mean the guy cancelled a Fable game, a kamiya game, an Obsidian game, a new IP he announced in 2013 and then turned around and made the devs make yet another soulless gears of war game. the guy spent a $100 million on the rights to gears of war IP alone. Why not take that money and build kojima a $100 million studio. He spent $2.9 billion on fucking minecraft. imagine the kind of talented studios you can build with that much cash. They could be set for decades pumping out new IPs one after another. Horizon cost Sony $48 million. The first three Uncharteds cost Sony $20 million each. that's chump change for a company like MS.

And what does he want to do now? Focus on service based games instead of single player games Sony specializes in. To him, it's all about making the most cash instead of innovating and actually moving the industry forward. Games like Uncharted, TLOU, Horizon, Bloodborne and The Last Guardian wont make Sony billions, maybe a couple of hundred million tops, but they earn them cred with gamers who appreciate an alternative to dozens of soulless multiplayer shooters every year.

This guy is probably the only guy who looked at the Ghost Recon sales and Horizon sales and said you know what, I'd rather have the 73 metacritic game and the extra cash it brings than Horizon, a game that blew away pretty much everyone in the industry and set new standards for graphics, open world combat, writing, female lead and storytelling.

And yet Sony does more than just release these mega franchises. they are constantly patterning with Japanese studios to ship games like Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0 Nier 2, Nioh and Persona 5 this quarter alone. Why in the world are these games allowed to be PS4 exclusives? I understand Gravity rush since it's made by a Sony studio, but the others are third party games Sony didnt even bother to show off in their multiple press conferences last year. they are like free exclusives. Why didnt Phill go after these guys? I mean he gave us the answer a few days ago, but to me these japanese games are proof that this guy just doesn't give a shit about giving gamers what they want. he wants to make money and that's ok, just dont pretend that you are on the side of gamers and are doing your best to give them what they want.

What a phony.

P.S What did Sony do last gen when they were in last place? Losing billions every year, they decided to instead focus on their first and second party partfolio. Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, LBP, Infamous, MAG, fucking PS All Stars, TLOU, Heavy Rain, Beyond all new IPs. In one gen. They went out and bought Evolution Studios, GG, MM and Sucker Punch as soon as they started breaking even around 2009. What does Phill do? Cancel games, shut down studios and talk about how its not profitable to invest in SP games. Fuck off.
 
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sam12

Member
SlimySnake said:
i love these posts and those are just from page 3.

I am glad gaf is catching on to Spencer's bullshit. I thought i was the only who didnt trust this guy always saying the right thing and then turning around and doing the complete opposite. For all his talk of being pro games and gamers and doing right by gamers, he has a pretty pathetic record when it comes to delivering.

I mean the guy cancelled a Fable game, a kamiya game, an Obsidian game, a new IP he announced in 2013 and then turned around and made the devs make yet another soulless gears of war game. the guy spent a $100 million on the rights to gears of war IP alone. Why not take that money and build kojima a $100 million studio. He spent $2.9 billion on fucking minecraft. imagine the kind of talented studios you can build with that much cash. They could be set for decades pumping out new IPs one after another. Horizon cost Sony $48 million. The first three Uncharteds cost Sony $20 million each. that's chump change for a company like MS.

And what does he want to do now? Focus on service based games instead of single player games Sony specializes in. To him, it's all about making the most cash instead of innovating and actually moving the industry forward. Games like Uncharted, TLOU, Horizon, Bloodborne and The Last Guardian wont make Sony billions, maybe a couple of hundred million tops, but they earn them cred with gamers who appreciate an alternative to dozens of soulless multiplayer shooters every year.

This guy is probably the only guy who looked at the Ghost Recon sales and Horizon sales and said you know what, I'd rather have the 73 metacritic game and the extra cash it brings than Horizon, a game that blew away pretty much everyone in the industry and set new standards for graphics, open world combat, writing, female lead and storytelling.

And yet Sony does more than just release these mega franchises. they are constantly patterning with Japanese studios to ship games like Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0 Nier 2, Nioh and Persona 5 this quarter alone. Why in the world are these games allowed to be PS4 exclusives? I understand Gravity rush since it's made by a Sony studio, but the others are third party games Sony didnt even bother to show off in their multiple press conferences last year. they are like free exclusives. Why didnt Phill go after these guys? I mean he gave us the answer a few days ago, but to me these japanese games are proof that this guy just doesn't give a shit about giving gamers what they want. he wants to make money and that's ok, just dont pretend that you are on the side of gamers and are doing your best to give them what they want.

What a phony.

P.S What did Sony do last gen when they were in last place? Losing billions every year, they decided to instead focus on their first and second party partfolio. Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, LBP, Infamous, MAG, fucking PS All Stars, TLOU, Heavy Rain, Beyond all new IPs. In one gen. They went out and bought Evolution Studios, GG, MM and Sucker Punch as soon as they started breaking even around 2009. What does Phill do? Cancel games, shut down studios and talk about how its not profitable to invest in SP games. Fuck off.
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Excellent post! Please repost in the Phil Spencer talks BS topic or Microsoft and partners.it truly summarizes what's wrong with MS
 
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NoctisVsStar

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RootCause said:
Aww! Thought Spidey was coming out this year. :(
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There's no release window for spidey. I think Sony's current releases will be something like this:

1) fall 2017 GTS
2) feb 2018 GOW
3) fall 2018 days gone
4) 2019 feb spidey

Detroit or dreams could actually release this fall, those are my sleeper announcements
 
pixelation

pixelation

Member
GHG said:
There is no need to talk for the sake of talking, which is what Spencer has been doing in recent years.

They are doing what everybody should be doing, letting the games and the hardware do the talking. Just shut up and deliver.
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Agreed.
 
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pastrami

Member
I, for one, think this forum could use another vague thread. If only someone from Sony would confirm that they are still making games. Think of the thread possibilities! The speculation! The wonder and hype!
 
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farisr

Member
My updated guesses for games without confirmed release dates (and some that are even unannounced):

Knack 2 - September 2017
Detroit - October 2017
Dreams Beta - October 2017
GT Sport - November 2017
Dreams - December 2017/January 2018
Devil May Cry 5 (this is wishful thinking rather than educated guess, LOL) - Jan/Feb 2018
God Of War - Late Feb/Early March 2018
Spider-Man - Late April/EarlyMay 2018
Days Gone - June 2018
Ratchet & Clank 2 - September 2018
The Last Of Us II - November 2018
Lost Soul Aside - January 2019
Sucker Punch game - March 2019
Death Stranding - May/June 2019
Horizon ZD 2 (PS5 launch title LOL) - November 2019
 
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jaypah

Member
SlimySnake said:
i love these posts and those are just from page 3.

I am glad gaf is catching on to Spencer's bullshit. I thought i was the only who didnt trust this guy always saying the right thing and then turning around and doing the complete opposite. For all his talk of being pro games and gamers and doing right by gamers, he has a pretty pathetic record when it comes to delivering.

I mean the guy cancelled a Fable game, a kamiya game, an Obsidian game, a new IP he announced in 2013 and then turned around and made the devs make yet another soulless gears of war game. the guy spent a $100 million on the rights to gears of war IP alone. Why not take that money and build kojima a $100 million studio. He spent $2.9 billion on fucking minecraft. imagine the kind of talented studios you can build with that much cash. They could be set for decades pumping out new IPs one after another. Horizon cost Sony $48 million. The first three Uncharteds cost Sony $20 million each. that's chump change for a company like MS.

And what does he want to do now? Focus on service based games instead of single player games Sony specializes in. To him, it's all about making the most cash instead of innovating and actually moving the industry forward. Games like Uncharted, TLOU, Horizon, Bloodborne and The Last Guardian wont make Sony billions, maybe a couple of hundred million tops, but they earn them cred with gamers who appreciate an alternative to dozens of soulless multiplayer shooters every year.

This guy is probably the only guy who looked at the Ghost Recon sales and Horizon sales and said you know what, I'd rather have the 73 metacritic game and the extra cash it brings than Horizon, a game that blew away pretty much everyone in the industry and set new standards for graphics, open world combat, writing, female lead and storytelling.

And yet Sony does more than just release these mega franchises. they are constantly patterning with Japanese studios to ship games like Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0 Nier 2, Nioh and Persona 5 this quarter alone. Why in the world are these games allowed to be PS4 exclusives? I understand Gravity rush since it's made by a Sony studio, but the others are third party games Sony didnt even bother to show off in their multiple press conferences last year. they are like free exclusives. Why didnt Phill go after these guys? I mean he gave us the answer a few days ago, but to me these japanese games are proof that this guy just doesn't give a shit about giving gamers what they want. he wants to make money and that's ok, just dont pretend that you are on the side of gamers and are doing your best to give them what they want.

What a phony.

P.S What did Sony do last gen when they were in last place? Losing billions every year, they decided to instead focus on their first and second party partfolio. Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, LBP, Infamous, MAG, fucking PS All Stars, TLOU, Heavy Rain, Beyond all new IPs. In one gen. They went out and bought Evolution Studios, GG, MM and Sucker Punch as soon as they started breaking even around 2009. What does Phill do? Cancel games, shut down studios and talk about how its not profitable to invest in SP games. Fuck off.
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sam12 said:
Excellent post! Please repost in the Phil Spencer talks BS topic or Microsoft and partners.it truly summarizes what's wrong with MS
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Daaaamn! Yeah, you should totally go and cross-post this. To both threads. That'll be super productive 😂

E3 is going to be nuts. Webs, tires and rabbit hats will bleed lol
 
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Mass Effect

Member
NoctisVsStar said:
There's no release window for spidey. I think Sony's current releases will be something like this:

1) fall 2017 GTS
2) feb 2018 GOW
3) fall 2018 days gone
4) 2019 feb spidey

Detroit or dreams could actually release this fall, those are my sleeper announcements
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No way Spiderman takes that long to release unless something happens. Holiday 2018 at the latest.

And if Detroit doesn't make it this year, I'm betting it will be a Q1 2018 game. No idea about Dreams... don't know what the hell MM is doing. Have they shown anything recently? They used to do regular streams on Twitch.
 
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RootCause

Member
NoctisVsStar said:
There's no release window for spidey. I think Sony's current releases will be something like this:

1) fall 2017 GTS
2) feb 2018 GOW
3) fall 2018 days gone
4) 2019 feb spidey

Detroit or dreams could actually release this fall, those are my sleeper announcements
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Crap! is the game that early into development?
2017 has been amazing, but I really hope they have something else lined up for fall 2017. I'm not really a sim racer fan.
 
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farisr

Member
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Why u want dreams to die drifting:(
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I feel it is highly unlikely that the crowd that would be into Dreams (and keep it alive) would ignore it for the fall releases. Anyways, I think they will release a beta in the fall, and have the full-release in December or January.
 
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Blackleg-sanji1

Banned
farisr said:
It is highly unlikely that the crowd that would be into Dreams (and keep it alive) would ignore it for the fall releases. Anyways, I think they will release a beta in the fall, and have the full-release in December or January.
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There's always overlap tho big or small. Make it January
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
SlimySnake said:
i love these posts and those are just from page 3.

I am glad gaf is catching on to Spencer's bullshit. I thought i was the only who didnt trust this guy always saying the right thing and then turning around and doing the complete opposite. For all his talk of being pro games and gamers and doing right by gamers, he has a pretty pathetic record when it comes to delivering.

I mean the guy cancelled a Fable game, a kamiya game, an Obsidian game, a new IP he announced in 2013 and then turned around and made the devs make yet another soulless gears of war game. the guy spent a $100 million on the rights to gears of war IP alone. Why not take that money and build kojima a $100 million studio. He spent $2.9 billion on fucking minecraft. imagine the kind of talented studios you can build with that much cash. They could be set for decades pumping out new IPs one after another. Horizon cost Sony $48 million. The first three Uncharteds cost Sony $20 million each. that's chump change for a company like MS.

And what does he want to do now? Focus on service based games instead of single player games Sony specializes in. To him, it's all about making the most cash instead of innovating and actually moving the industry forward. Games like Uncharted, TLOU, Horizon, Bloodborne and The Last Guardian wont make Sony billions, maybe a couple of hundred million tops, but they earn them cred with gamers who appreciate an alternative to dozens of soulless multiplayer shooters every year.

This guy is probably the only guy who looked at the Ghost Recon sales and Horizon sales and said you know what, I'd rather have the 73 metacritic game and the extra cash it brings than Horizon, a game that blew away pretty much everyone in the industry and set new standards for graphics, open world combat, writing, female lead and storytelling.

And yet Sony does more than just release these mega franchises. they are constantly patterning with Japanese studios to ship games like Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0 Nier 2, Nioh and Persona 5 this quarter alone. Why in the world are these games allowed to be PS4 exclusives? I understand Gravity rush since it's made by a Sony studio, but the others are third party games Sony didnt even bother to show off in their multiple press conferences last year. they are like free exclusives. Why didnt Phill go after these guys? I mean he gave us the answer a few days ago, but to me these japanese games are proof that this guy just doesn't give a shit about giving gamers what they want. he wants to make money and that's ok, just dont pretend that you are on the side of gamers and are doing your best to give them what they want.

What a phony.

P.S What did Sony do last gen when they were in last place? Losing billions every year, they decided to instead focus on their first and second party partfolio. Uncharted, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, LBP, Infamous, MAG, fucking PS All Stars, TLOU, Heavy Rain, Beyond all new IPs. In one gen. They went out and bought Evolution Studios, GG, MM and Sucker Punch as soon as they started breaking even around 2009. What does Phill do? Cancel games, shut down studios and talk about how its not profitable to invest in SP games. Fuck off.
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This is kind of embarrassing, and i'm not sure its in a good way. MS's gaming division is not just Xbox its all kinds of ventures. MS's gaming division is raking in the cash and Phil is to thank for that.

You don't have to attack MS for not being Sony or not doing things the 'traditional' way.

Seriously, your trying to attack Phil Spencer for not bulding Kojima a 100 million dollar studio? What?? Sony never did that with Kojima to begin with, and secondly, who knows how that partnership will even turn out whenever that team ships their first game.

Also, your unfairly comparing when he became head of Xbox in 2013 or 2014 or whatever to Sony in 2009??



My main issue is that your entire post drips with the sentiment that MS have to copy what Sony does in order to succeed when they have their own way of doing things that have, for the most part, never been similar to what Sony does. Just say you don't like how MS does business, that's fine. But there are people who like service games more than anything, there are people who prefer MS's ecosystem as it is now. And there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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NoctisVsStar

Member
RootCause said:
Crap! is the game that early into development?
2017 has been amazing, but I really hope they have something else lined up for fall 2017. I'm not really a sim racer fan.
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Me neither, but GTS sells like crazy in the eu. Some people over there only buy a Sony console to play FIFA and GTS. It's a big title and if the esports part of it blows up..Sony is looking at a goldmine.
Mass Effect said:
No way Spiderman takes that long to release unless something happens. Holiday 2018 at the latest.

And if Detroit doesn't make it this year, I'm betting it will be a Q1 2018 game. No idea about Dreams... don't know what the hell MM is doing. Have they shown anything recently? They used to do regular streams on Twitch.
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MM? No idea whatsoever. In regards to spidey I think it's super early but hopefully it pans out like you said.
 
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farisr

Member
Elfstruck said:
Spidey has be in development for probably 2 years.
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Yeah, I think it's been in development since early 2015. Which is why I expect a Spring 2018 release for it. Insomniac is a pretty efficient developer, also, they mentioned that this is the largest number of people they've had working on a game, ever.

They had just started brainstorming ideas for Sunset Overdrive after shipping Resistance 3 in September 2011. They ended up shipping it in October 2014 and it was their first "next-gen" game as well at the same time.

Spider-Man is an already established property, so while there is still a lot of work to be done to put their spin on it, that part of pre-production would not have required as much work as something like Sunset Overdrive would. So yeah, about 3 years with a really big team working on it would be a decent estimate.
 
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Sangetsu-II

Member
Fisty said:
This E3 is probably the most important in MS history, I really believe that. If they just show Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 (and maybe a few pure-CG teasers) it's going to be a bloodbath. Not even Scorpio hype will save them
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Actually, that's what I expect them to show.
 
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djnewwest

Banned
Inuhanyou said:
This is kind of embarrassing, and i'm not sure its in a good way. MS's gaming division is not just Xbox its all kinds of ventures. MS's gaming division is raking in the cash and Phil is to thank for that.

You don't have to attack MS for not being Sony or not doing things the 'traditional' way.

Seriously, your trying to attack Phil Spencer for not bulding Kojima a 100 million dollar studio? What?? Sony never did that with Kojima to begin with, and secondly, who knows how that partnership will even turn out whenever that team ships their first game.

Also, your unfairly comparing when he became head of Xbox in 2013 or 2014 or whatever to Sony in 2009??



My main issue is that your entire post drips with the sentiment that MS have to copy what Sony does in order to succeed when they have their own way of doing things that have, for the most part, never been similar to what Sony does. Just say you don't like how MS does business, that's fine. But there are people who like service games more than anything, there are people who prefer MS's ecosystem as it is now. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Exactly my thoughts too. This dude's getting pretty emotional about Phil Spencer.
 
SlimySnake

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Inuhanyou said:
This is kind of embarrassing, and i'm not sure its in a good way. MS's gaming division is not just Xbox its all kinds of ventures. MS's gaming division is raking in the cash and Phil is to thank for that.

You don't have to attack MS for not being Sony or not doing things the 'traditional' way.

Seriously, your trying to attack Phil Spencer for not bulding Kojima a 100 million dollar studio? What?? Sony never did that with Kojima to begin with, and secondly, who knows how that partnership will even turn out whenever that team ships their first game.

Also, your unfairly comparing when he became head of Xbox in 2013 or 2014 or whatever to Sony in 2009??

My main issue is that your entire post drips with the sentiment that MS have to copy what Sony does in order to succeed when they have their own way of doing things that have, for the most part, never been similar to what Sony does. Just say you don't like how MS does business, that's fine. But there are people who like service games more than anything, there are people who prefer MS's ecosystem as it is now. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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What's embarrassing is people jumping through hoops to defend a guy who writes off nearly all genres in favor of games that make him the most cash fast. Supporting more than one genre is not just the 'traditional' way of doing things, it's not something Sony invented, that's how a first party publisher with deep pockets should build their portfolio.

I never said MS has to copy Sony. I brought up what Sony did when they were losing the console war and billions of dollars to make a point about priorities. Sony didn't look at GTA and Halo and said hey we are going to stop making games for every other genre and make online shooters and open world games. They understood the appeal of a broad array of games, and greenlit experimental games like LBP and expensive story driven games like Heavy Rain. They had their share of shooters in KZ, Resistance, MAG and Socom and still offered open world games like Infamous and action adventure games like Uncharted, Ratchet and Bloodborne. All this while they were losing billions. So many new IPs.

They have stopped investing in new studios and have gravitated towards AAA only games in recent years and I have criticized them time and time again for cancelling studios attracting the wrath of Sony gaf. But despite all that, they are still diversifying their portfolio making their first RPG in Horizon, resisting the urge to cancel The Last Guardian, and Until Dawn both of which turned out to be fantastic games.

If MS wants to focus on service based games, fine. I wouldnt mind seeing another Destiny or Battlefield like game on the market. But let's not pretend that ignoring 99% of the genres is somehow good for gamers.

P.S The bit about building Kojima a studio is simply another example to prove the point that he does not care much about games that dont fit his portfolio. Are you telling me X1 fans dont want to play Kojima's next game? Are you telling me X1 owners dont want to play Shenmue? Why in the world are these games exclusive to PS4? Why is he letting Sony get all these exclusives? He was willing to moneyhat Titanfall and TR just to spite PS owners and yet he has no problems simple securing simultaneous release of games like Shenmue, Death Stranding, Nioh, Persona, Nier and Yakuza.
 
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TheUnsunghero26

Member
SlimySnake said:
He spent $2.9 billion on fucking minecraft. imagine the kind of talented studios you can build with that much cash. They could be set for decades pumping out new IPs one after another.
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Yeah... You don't know what you're talking about. Minecraft is far bigger than just the Xbox Division.
 
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Family Fry

Member
tmac456 said:
What big Sony exclusives release in the fall? It'll be ready Q2 of 2018 at the latest
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Fall exclusive are the best for Sony, most successful.

Sony exclusive CoD maps.
Sony exclusive Destiny 2 maps.
Sony exclusive Star War Battlefront 2 maps. Sony exclusive Read Dead Redemtion 2 loot hats.

Probably will be bundled consoles too, maybe even some ltd edition pieces of kit.
 
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