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Why is PC gaming still considered difficult with too much tinkering?

Mohasus

Member
And if you want to use a controller it'll never be as simple as a console. I've spent many hours over the years putzing around with controller support in games, especially for games that don't have Playstation prompts on their PC versions. While I'm more than fine modding them in or getting a controller to function the way I like it a lot of people just want a system made to work with the controller.

Then use a controller made for that system.

I can use a dualshock with a Wii U for Gamecube games, but of course that will bring similar problems.
 
Complexity is a distant last on my list of grievances with PC gaming. I won't lie, though. It definitely contributed to me moving away from PC and back to consoles.
 

Fredrik

Member
It's easier nowadays but there is still a lot of tinkering involved here and there OP. Like, have you ever tried running older games on new PCs? It's not just plug and play mate.
I only use Steam and GOG, no disc games, but I've got a bunch of old games on GOG which works perfectly.

Wait, now that I think about it, I had issues with Dirt 3 prior to their Steam version, when I bought it it had some Windows Log in thingy going on which didn't work. So yeah, that's one hassle I guess. Works great now though.
 

Shin-Ra

Junior Member
I think what you meant to say is

"If you want to use a DualShock 4, it'll never be as simple as using that DualShock 4 with your PS4"

because using an Xbox controller on PC is really, really simple

regardless, think about your complaint here. Xbox 360/Xbox One is the defacto controller on Windows. However, you're able to use a DualShock 4 - as of today, you can do so with minimum tinkering, as Steam supports DualShock 4 out of the gate, and many games now sub in Playstation prompts. Before that was possible, you had to use a 3rd party program. Sometimes, you have to sub in Playstation prompts yourself.
but it was possible. Not that hard, even. I used a PS4 controller for every single game on PC before I became acclimated to keyboard and mouse.

What if I wanted to use an Xbox One controller on PS4?
What about when Microsoft updates Windows and breaks your controller support.
 

Holundrian

Unconfirmed Member
Because googling is hard and takes effort and people are lazy. I know cause I always ask my friends questions with answers I could google myself. :-x
Primarily PC gamer here.
 

duckroll

Member
My point is 100% about perception. PC gaming has an image problem, because people know how deep it can get. They know that people can spend thousands on super high-end custom rigs that are precision-tuned like a fighter jet. So going into PC gaming either means spending an insane amount of time and money for one of those setups, or settling for something that is objectively sub-optimal.

Even buying a prebuild comes with the baggage of buying 'one of those overpriced pre-builds', and not building it yourself because it's 'so easy'.

Frankly, it's the PC gaming community that does the most work to hold back PC gaming.

I don't agree with this at all. I don't think it's an image problem. Most people have PCs, and honestly, they are generally already capable of playing games on par with consoles. The reason they don't tend to be that they have personal hands-on experience with how using a PC is more difficult for them than turning a console on. Most people use PCs for work or general communication purposes, and still run into the occasional quirk that can annoy or confuse.

I also don't think that people in general have an opposition to playing games on PC, but the fact is, for a lot of gamers, given the choice of being able to play the same game on a PC or on a console they already own, the latter is more appealing. It's not surprising either.
 
I love consoles (old ones) and PC gaming. Building a PC from scratch can be a bit difficult if you're easily overwhelmed, but if you just read the manual it's basically dummy proof nowadays. If I could build one someone else definitely could.

IMO people believe the stupid crap like it's a hassle because they want to validate their console purchases because of their strength instead of something tangible like exclusives.

There's nothing wrong with liking consoles over PC's for convenience (Nowadays I find it hard to believe this is still an argument, however) or exclusives. Just be happy you bought the damn box you paid for and don't be a doof.
 
Yes but you don't have to do that. I knew nothing about PCs, just went to a PC store and said I wanted a beast of a PC, they built it, installed Windows 7 and did some stress tests on it and that was it. Super-easy. Basically plug and play PC gaming.

It's not always that simple though, in the long run. You have had a hassle free experience and that's great. However there is always the possibility of issues and the issues themselves aren't easily solved.

Get a BSOD and now you have to look up the code to figure out the problem.

PC locks up out of nowhere. Reboot it and now it's in infinite bootloop. Could be as simple as a component not being seated fully or it could be a dead component that you have to replace. Which one though?

A few years pass and you want to play the new hot game. But your mid-tier GPU from two years ago doesn't meet the minimum requirements. Ok.. now you have to upgrade it. But since you haven't been following GPU releases, you have to find out what's good and what's a good value. Ok so you ask around and get advice. But being an Enthusiast Hobby, you get a bunch of different responses. You finally pick one. Buy it. Get it home. Oops. Didn't check the dimensions. It doesn't fit in your mid-size tower. Or it's dead and you have to RMA it. Or it's fine but draws too much power from your system since your PSU was purchased for the previous Mid-Tier GPU and didn't allow headroom for a High-End card upgrade down the road.

Imagine the previous situation but replace GPU with CPU. Now you've got to make sure the socket on your motherboard allows upgrading to the new Gen of CPU's available in the first place and swapping it is way more involving (thus intimidating) than a GPU swap.

With time, patience, and research all of these issues become less bothersome and simple to troubleshoot/deal with. However with a console it either works or it doesn't and if it doesn't return it and get a new one. Very little troubleshooting necessary and zero need to have to actually open it up and do shit to it.

Buying, setting up, and maintaining a Gaming PC isn't rocket science but it's definitely not as simple as buying a console.
 
I do, I did break from this and bought a pre configured one from OCUK in 2015, but it was clearly built by monkeys and kept over heating and crashing.

So I gutted it and rebuilt it myself and its been fine ever since.

So what I should have done, was order the parts myself, build it myself, and save £200.

The fact this is even a factor contributes to my point. Plenty of sites offer solid deals of building a machine, but you'll also hear a storm of opinions (from this very thread) that it is the easiest thing in the world. So should I pay the extra money to have somebody else build it for me, or should I save the money and risk a headache putting it together myself? Should I take the risk? Is there even a risk?

These are questions you are not going to ask yourself as you're picking a console up at Best Buy.

Alright, maybe it's regional/cultural business difference, but right here stores don't charge me for building my PC. I buy the parts from their store, they should be grateful to build the PC for me than charge for it.

Even if that's the case, wouldn't there be guarantee or something if things don't work as intended? Even for free, my usual store always offer me a guarantee. I've ordered several PCs over the decade, not only for me but also my friends/relatives, and they never failed me even once.
 

Fredrik

Member
You really need to stop equating your sole experience with every one else's. You can't just say it doesn't have to be complex! When you have been lucky these last few years with no problems. I wouldn't say the PS4 doesn't have a fan issue because I have never gotten jet engine sounds from my unit.
People say all the time that it's a lot of hassle to game on PC because that's their personal experience or misconception ir whatever.
Is it not okay for me to say it's hassle-free if that's my personal experience? I have no other other experience than hassle-free, am I not allowed to talk about PC gaming yet or what?
 
I built myself a new gaming PC a little over a year ago. I immediately wanted to have something my previous PC couldn't run in order to show it off a little. I bought GTAV.

After a 65gb download, I ran the game. The R* logo appeared and then the game quit to Windows.

"Ah, PC gaming."

R* support were useless and I eventually diagnosed the issue myself (unplug my Microsoft 360 wired controller from my PC running a Microsoft operating system and, lo, the game launched fine!).

Since then I've played a number of games (all of which have console release counterparts) that have failed to launch or have consistently crashed.

I'm very happy to tinker with PCs and stuff like this is, largely, unobtrusive to me. However, from personal experience, I can see why PC gaming has such an image.
 
You do realise that there are still people who can't stop the blinky light on the cooker or still use push button phones instead of smart phones because they just can't deal with certain things.
 
to those it's misconception of believing PC are 'too complicated', that's only part of the story.

i am a MSCE and have been tinkering PC since 8 yo in the 80s....and i am a primary console guy.

I work on PC and Servers for the whole workday so the last thing i wanna do when i am home relax is to touch another PC...120FPS, 16xMSAA, 16AF be damned.

I just want to press a button and play some games without hassle.....
 
But you need to buy new consoles on a semi-frequent basis too. And you have even less choice in the matter because you don't get to decide that your games don't run well enough and you want something better, or you want to try running this new game on your older hardware and put off upgrading a little longer.

And not only do new games not work on old consoles, but the reverse is true as well. I can play all my last gen games on PC just fine, even better than I could play them before I upgraded. But all my PS3 games are stuck on PS3 just like they were back then.

Again, it's making perfect the enemy of better. Just because you aren't playing games at the absolute most maximum settings possible doesn't mean you aren't getting a better experience than consoles. You're essentially saying you might as well settle for bare minimum since you can't hit absolute maximum.

You buy a new console when it's out and it plays everything 100% the same for the entire generation. If you want something that plays better, you would get a PC. But if you are going to do that, you are most likely going to be the type to keep wanting your PC to play everything better, which means you have to keep upgrading. OP's question is being asked, and has been asked every day since the advent of the PC vs console debate, because most people don't care about playing the best--they just want to play, period. So the cost/time/hassle vs benefit analysis ends up skewing heavily toward consoles.

Your PC copy of Advanced Warfare plays different than your PC copy of Infinite Warfare because the graphics/framerate/engine have improved. In order to get the best experience for IW, you will have to upgrade some component. You don't have to do that with PS4. If there are benefits, they are apparent without having to touch anything. The introduction of the Pro and Scorpio has made this not a 1:1 argument anymore, but at least you can trade in the PS4 toward a Pro. I paid $275 for my PS4 and traded it in for $175. If you can trade in the parts of your PC that you're upgrading and get similar value then that definitely helps, but you're still left with checking compatibility, as well as disassembling the chassis and installing the component(s). For most people it's too much work.
 

SMOK3Y

Generous Member
I haven't had a PC since PS4 launched as i use my phone for everything internet email, msgs, printing etc
 
I don't even think it's necessarily the tinkering that gets people, it's the starting point. Cost of entry for PC gaming is higher than a lot of people would like. While it's entirely possible to do things on the cheap, I think getting an older set up sort of defeats the purpose if the entire purpose of PC gaming is better performance and graphics. You could argue that it's not just going to be for gaming, but neither are consoles, and PCs aren't the de facto way for people to use the internet in general and haven't been for a long time.

So I'm going to say cost is a much bigger hurdle since PCs really just set everything up for you these days.
 

Fredrik

Member
It's not always that simple though, in the long run. You have had a hassle free experience and that's great. However there is always the possibility of issues and the issues themselves aren't easily solved.

Get a BSOD and now you have to look up the code to figure out the problem.

PC locks up out of nowhere. Reboot it and now it's in infinite bootloop. Could be as simple as a component not being seated fully or it could be a dead component that you have to replace. Which one though?

A few years pass and you want to play the new hot game. But your mid-tier GPU from two years ago doesn't meet the minimum requirements. Ok.. now you have to upgrade it. But since you haven't been following GPU releases, you have to find out what's good and what's a good value. Ok so you ask around and get advice. But being an Enthusiast Hobby, you get a bunch of different responses. You finally pick one. Buy it. Get it home. Oops. Didn't check the dimensions. It doesn't fit in your mid-size tower. Or it's dead and you have to RMA it. Or it's fine but draws too much power from your system since your PSU was purchased for the previous Mid-Tier GPU and didn't allow headroom for a High-End card upgrade down the road.

Imagine the previous situation but replace GPU with CPU. Now you've got to make sure the socket on your motherboard allows upgrading to the new Gen of CPU's available in the first place and swapping it is way more involving (thus intimidating) than a GPU swap.

With time, patience, and research all of these issues become less bothersome and simple to troubleshoot/deal with. However with a console it either works or it doesn't and if it doesn't return it and get a new one. Very little troubleshooting necessary and zero need to have to actually open it up and do shit to it.

Buying, setting up, and maintaining a Gaming PC isn't rocket science but it's definitely not as simple as buying a console.
But if you go to a PC custom shop they can do all that for you. Sure, it'll cost you a bit more I guess but PC gaming isn't exactly about getting stuff cheap. That's probably my only complaint regarding PC gaming. It's crazy expensive.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
People say all the time that it's a lot of hassle to game on PC because that's their personal experience or misconception ir whatever.
Is it not okay for me to say it's hassle-free if that's my personal experience? I have no other other experience than hassle-free, am I not allowed to talk about PC gaming yet or what?
But the thing is you created this thread to see why that mindset still exists and when people offer you very grounded reasons for it, you are just repeating that you have never experienced a problem with your PC. Which reads like you are hand waving away their points.
 

EctoPrime

Member
A big problem I see right now is that slow mobile hardware has crept into the low cost desktops market and completely removed any upgrade path and the ability to run anything modern outside of esports games. This incorrectly still gives the impression to some people that computers need to be replaced every few years.

The biggest problem I encountered in years was figuring out that Doom required updated gpu drivers to even boot but perhaps even that is very difficult for some.
 
I don't agree with this at all. I don't think it's an image problem. Most people have PCs, and honestly, they are generally already capable of playing games on par with consoles. The reason they don't tend to be that they have personal hands-on experience with how using a PC is more difficult for them than turning a console on. Most people use PCs for work or general communication purposes, and still run into the occasional quirk that can annoy or confuse.

I also don't think that people in general have an opposition to playing games on PC, but the fact is, for a lot of gamers, given the choice of being able to play the same game on a PC or on a console they already own, the latter is more appealing. It's not surprising either.
The core question of the thread is why PC gaming is perceived as difficult, and something that requires meticulous tinkering. Obviously all of this is anecdotal, but I think if you ask most people why they game on a console instead of a PC - 'convenience' is a very common response. That's the image problem PC gaming needs to overcome.

I see it as a paradox of choice. There are infinite PC configurations, at infinite price points. There will always be a better deal on the horizon, or new tech that is just months from release. Always a build that could get you a sharper picture, faster frame rate, and more efficient performance at a cheaper cost than what you paid. There are too many variables for any one consumer to make an objectively perfect choice. Thus, making the choice is a doubt-filled experience. Something you're just not going to get on console.
 

You continue to miss the mark by fixating on how pointless you think it is to game on PC if you can't have the best possible visual experience backed by the strongest available hardware.

Beyond that, what does it matter if something like Infinite Warfare has an improved engine over its predecessor? The improvements over Advanced Warfare, on my PC that played Advanced Warfare, will be exactly as apparent as IW's improvements on PS4 were over how AW looked on the same PS4. Why wouldn't they be? It's the same PC.
 
As long as PC gaming isn't as simple as on console, some people will think it's too complicated. Even if PC's have come a long way in terms of user friendliness, it's still a far cry from a console, where you don't have to worry about individual parts, and the only troubleshooting option is turning it off and on again.

That said, I think MS should move towards a more PC-like experience with Xbox to differentiate itself from Playstation. In essence make their own Steam machine type system that's a standardized user friendly experience that still has most of the Windows power user stuff when you need it. I could see it make sense to just have this as the main computing device at home, and just use it to stream to desktop or living room like with Steam Link, and play both Xbox and PC titles on it. Actually it very much seems like that's the direction Phil is heading towards when he first started this "Xbox exclusives also on Windows 10" strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox after Scorpio would have Windows 10 S available.
 

ChryZ

Member
I think it's part stigma of yesterdays, when drivers, API stuff and hardware were just not as mature as today. The other part is the user end, people who struggle with tech will more likely make mistakes (slack with latest updates, drivers, etc) then get caught in a self inflected feedback loop of "shit doesn't work (because of end user fault)".

There IS a learning curve, but it's really not THAT steep nowadays.
 

Warablo

Member
Well...
They say that stuff out of ignorance.
I would ignore it If I were you, but that circle jerk really brought a stigma to PC's.

Not trying to be agressive here.

Not really, most people I bet experienced problems before and eventually left it for good.

Now days, it's probably a lot easier and hassle free. It's partially why young console adopters are shrinking.
 
I think the biggest hurdle is the lack of a simple pre-built console-like PC at an affordable price. It's picking the right hardware and building it that is most likely scaring people off, not using the PC itself. Everything is updated automatically these days and Steam is incredibly easy to use.

Valve should partner with a manufacturer and make its own Steam Machine with Windows installed. A single one though, not tens of mostly crap builds that confuse the target audience, like they did with HTC for the Vive.
 

Paracelsus

Member
You're underestimating the mainstream's sheer ignorance big time. Tech savvy people are getting more and more by the hour, people able to troubleshoot everything and anything on a PC (let alone on smartphones) are still seen like martians by the casual audience. To these people, tinkering is actually extremely hard, they will get a headache past the desktop.

If you think it's just about updating drivers, try explain someone used to consoles how to set up X360ce on a per game basis, or how to exploit gedosato or the nvidia control panel for SSAA.

I've had people running a renewed alleged "hardcore" computer business for 20 years (and technicians for that matter) staring a hole through me like I was speaking ancient Hebrew, all because they are fed by ignorants and troubleshoot the easy way (format, replace, replace and format) so when they are asked about actual weird problems they have no idea.
 

fishbang

Member
It's extremely easy to buy and set up a PC. Anyone can do it. It's also extremely easy to install Steam and just play games. Mostly. But the barrier remains that when something does go wrong, on the PC there is a much higher technical hurdle than just rebooting the console and launching the game again. There are a multitude more problems which could occur on the PC, with various different possible fixes.

As a PC support tech and very long time PC gamer, it's this right here. IT people will tell you about how all they do is Google your issue and apply the recommended fix, but they don't talk about how much experience and intuition goes into knowing how to ask the right question, or which fix is the one to use.

PC gaming is the same thing. You can follow the color-guide, watch a YouTube video, and do whatever step-by-step your favorite website recommends. But when something - ANYthing - goes wrong, you're left to panic and figure it out on your own. For a lot of people that isn't an option.

That is totally, completely fair. But that's also the thing I love about it. I love every little thing about tweaking, problem-solving, and customizing my PC. It's a better hobby now than it's ever been, I just wish it wasn't being sold to essentially everyone as an easy, trouble-free path to the best gaming experience. It's not, and it shouldn't be (imo), and we should be honest about that.
 

Flintty

Member
The fight I had with my PC recently to get the Anniversary update to install was enough to put me off PC gaming forever. Oh and the fact that when I quit Marvel Heroes my whole system freezes for 3-4 minutes.
 

pislit

Member
in the 2000s, you have to do shit with slave/master drives, AGP vs PCI-E, all the cards, and very specific drivers.

PC gaming today is too EZ if you ask me.
 

duckroll

Member
The core question of the thread is why PC gaming is perceived as difficult, and something that requires meticulous tinkering. Obviously all of this is anecdotal, but I think if you ask most people why they game on a console instead of a PC - 'convenience' is a very common response. That's the image problem PC gaming needs to overcome.

I see it as a paradox of choice. There are infinite PC configurations, at infinite price points. There will always be a better deal on the horizon, or new tech that is just months from release. Always a build that could get you a sharper picture, faster frame rate, and more efficient performance at a cheaper cost than what you paid. There are too many variables for any one consumer to make an objectively perfect choice. Thus, making the choice is a doubt-filled experience. Something you're just not going to get on console.

But what I'm saying is that it's not an image problem, it's an actual reason. Even ignoring all the elements of choice, simply playing a game on the PC is less convenient than a console for many reasons. And when you run into a problem that makes it even worse. This isn't an imaginary problem, it's something that people face all the time. I have zero problems dealing with it because I've been gaming on PC all my life, but it's weird to not recognize it or to write it of as an "image problem".
 
But if you go to a PC custom shop they can do all that for you. Sure, it'll cost you a bit more I guess but PC gaming isn't exactly about getting stuff cheap. That's probably my only complaint regarding PC gaming. It's crazy expensive.

Sure you can. But why would I want to deal with that possibility at all?

I could buy a restored '67 Mustang or any Luxury Sedan and when it has problems, take it to a specialty mechanic to get it fixed. Or I could buy a Honda and have less likelihood of confusing issues that I have to go to a specialist to fix.

I could learn to cook and make amazing, great tasting, healthy meals at home. Or I can take my ass to McDonalds and get 20 nuggets and a coke.

You want to know why some people are still adverse to PC Gaming. I gave you solid reasons and examples. If you have the money and time to go to a specialist for every little thing and you don't mind the hassle, go for it. Most people, however, either don't have the money, don't have the time or they just don't want to deal with it in the first place. That's why.
 

Lundren

Banned
But if you go to a PC custom shop they can do all that for you. Sure, it'll cost you a bit more I guess but PC gaming isn't exactly about getting stuff cheap. That's probably my only complaint regarding PC gaming. It's crazy expensive.

PC gaming is as simple as console gaming, as long as you throw money at it.

Is that your argument? People don't want to do that.

My wife's computer decided it did not want to run WOW anymore and I went through 2 GPUs and 2 CPUs before she told me it wasn't worth the hassle. I don't mind "tinkering" but I can understand why someone would let even the possibility of having to deal with things like that keep them from bothering.
 

Renekton

Member
Walk into the closest custom PC shop or repair center and ask "could you please help me?".
;)

Like I said, I just play games, no tinkering for me, the day I need to upgrade the CPU or something eIse that might be complicated I'll just leave that to those that know what they're doing.
Right, lug the rig to a repair shop for every issue in there.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
You buy a new console when it's out and it plays everything 100% the same for the entire generation. If you want something that plays better, you would get a PC. But if you are going to do that, you are most likely going to be the type to keep wanting your PC to play everything better, which means you have to keep upgrading. OP's question is being asked, and has been asked every day since the advent of the PC vs console debate, because most people don't care about playing the best--they just want to play, period. So the cost/time/hassle vs benefit analysis ends up skewing heavily toward consoles.

Your PC copy of Advanced Warfare plays different than your PC copy of Infinite Warfare because the graphics/framerate/engine have improved. In order to get the best experience for IW, you will have to upgrade some component. You don't have to do that with PS4. If there are benefits, they are apparent without having to touch anything. The introduction of the Pro and Scorpio has made this not a 1:1 argument anymore, but at least you can trade in the PS4 toward a Pro. I paid $275 for my PS4 and traded it in for $175. If you can trade in the parts of your PC that you're upgrading and get similar value then that definitely helps, but you're still left with checking compatibility, as well as disassembling the chassis and installing the component(s). For most people it's too much work.

Going back to the start, PC hardware doesn't get weaker. Likewise, consoles don't grow more transistors and get more powerful. If you built a PC comparable to a PS4, it will continue to play games similarly to a PS4 unless the port is bad (which applies to consoles too, GC, PS2, PS3, etc all saw plenty of awful ports). IIRC a handful of games even ran better on comparable PC hardware than they did on the PS4 during its first year. Looking back, an 8800GT came out a year after the PS3 at $250, and outperformed it for the entire generation.

Or you can sell your GPU and buy a new one, just like you traded in your console for a Pro.

Still, I don't see where you're coming from. Most PC gamers don't buy top of the line parts, so they can't be chasing the perfectly optimal experience. Cards like the 970 and 1070 fall between midrange and high end, and are the most popular cards on the market. And midrange to mainstream tier cards are plenty popular as well. The people spending $500+ on GPUs annually are the minority.
 

Fredrik

Member
But the thing is you created this thread to see why that mindset still exists and when people offer you very grounded reasons for it, you are just repeating that you have never experienced a problem with your PC. Which reads like you are hand waving away their points.
Everybody is waving away posts all the time then. What posts on this board should be seen as relevant? Complaints are seen everywhere and brushed off with a "Stop trolling." by some and highlighted with a "This." by some.
 
Damn, I thought you were joking. What an insanely ignorant question to let serve as the crux of your entire argument. Spoken like someone who doesn't appear to know anything about the platform besides how it enables people with money to experience the bleeding edge.

I want to make myself clear - you are being incredibly reductive. You keep reducing the advantages, or the myriad unique and compelling reasons to play games on PC games, to bleeding-edge tech. I feel like I shouldn't even have to explain to you why that's misguided.

This is the primary advantage as I see it, and why I don't bother with PC gaming. Like I said, the diversity of the library is subjective and thus cannot really be used in an argument. Uncharted is my favorite game series, and Naughty Dog is my favorite developer, so I will buy whatever device they release their games on. I don't care about the breadth of RPGs or Indie games on PC, but undoubtedly others do, so again, it's pointless to argue this. As we see in NPD thread after NPD thread, the best-selling games are mass-market games that are generally available on PS4/Xbone/PC.

The disadvantages, however, are probably more universal, as you can glean by reading this thread, and the fact that the OP is even asking this question in 2017. And, like I said, it has been asked in 2016, 2015, and every year since games were available on both PC and console.
 
It still is more complex, even if you don't build your PC yourself, and it will always remain more complex than a console. But in exchange for that, the platform allows you a flexibility and breadth of content that is unmatched by any other gaming platform. Yesterday I was playing Morrowind, modernised by an ungodly collection of mods developed through the years by a dedicated and caring fanbase. Today I spent the whole afternoon playing The Witcher 3.

I don't think it will ever be as simple as owning and using a console. But then again I don't want it to ever be that simple if that means it will lose some of the things I like the most about it as a gaming platform.
 
It's extremely easy to buy and set up a PC. Anyone can do it. It's also extremely easy to install Steam and just play games. Mostly. But the barrier remains that when something does go wrong, on the PC there is a much higher technical hurdle than just rebooting the console and launching the game again. There are a multitude more problems which could occur on the PC, with various different possible fixes. It doesn't help that some publishers continue to threat PC releases as third class citizens.

So I can see why people are still iffy about it.

This is definitely a big issue for some people, I can fix almost anything and diagnose problems with ease but for some this can be a large hurdle.
Consoles also have their issues but they're on a much smaller list in comparison.

Funny that you take a picture of the Xbox OS which many people even on here don't understand and describe it as user unfriendly and too cluttered.

I personally love it! It may be my favorite console OS.

This is making perfect the enemy of better. Components don't get worse with time, the ceiling just gets higher. If I have a PC that's more powerful than consoles, it's going to remain more powerful than consoles even if it isn't top of the line.

To be honest this "if I don't have the absolute top of the line PC parts I might as well just have a console" line of thought baffles me more than the stuff about "complicated drivers" and "hours of tinkering with settings." There's just no sensible logic behind it at all.



This is basically the same experience you get with BPM on Steam. Games (and Steam itself) are automatically updated. You get a nice, full screen, controller-focused UI. You do get taken out of it by games with partial controller support, usually just for launchers and external configuration utilities, but for the most part it does the job just as well.

BPM is okay but it doesn't really offer the full console suite of simplicity, it also doesn't allow you to access most things from Windows in some form of console-like front-end.
 

Piggus

Member
The people who are worried about not being able to solve problems related to PC gaming always seem to forget about the magical resource known as the Internet, where virtually any issue can be researched and solved within minutes.
 
Because when the alternative is zero difficulty with no tinkering, anything greater than zero will always be too much for some people.

See: Cooking.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I think it's less about being able to buy or play something off the shelf as having the option to fiddle on the hardware and software side. And for a lot of people when you have options you don't explore it can create a nagging anxiety that you're not getting the best that you 'could'. If you can ignore that side of it, more power to you of course. But for many the invitation to tinker is strong because of the perceived need to optimise their bang for buck, and it's something that I think 'PC gaming culture' celebrates. But that side of it can become a distracting compulsion for some. They don't enjoy it but feel the need to do it to get the best they can - the paradox of choice. When you've no options (I.e. In console land) it can be 'liberating' in a funny way - you just have no choice but to play the game as is, but you're 'secure' in the knowledge that no one else with the same hardware/software combo is any better off than you.

My own recent experience with PC gaming has been largely fine... I can (belatedly) ignore the tinkering side of things pretty happily. At the same time there were a couple of recent cases where it was 'forced' on me in order to just get the game to work, and they were reminders to me of how poor the experience can be still on occasion, especially for anyone who has little or no comfort with hacking around with stuff.
 

Murder

Member
Few reasons--people are scared of what they don't understand and it really is kind of a hassle sometimes.

I was pretty into console gaming an had a modest pre-built PC. I recently built my own PC from scratch in November and it was extremely nerve-wracking. You can watch all the Youtube tutorials you want, but when you actually start doing it it's a whole different ball game.

Mid-way through the build I realized--this actually isn't hard at all. It's pretty much Legos at that point. Can even be a little creative with cable management and such.

People still see PC parts as finicky little electrical components that will fry if not handled like a preserved piece of ancient pottery when in reality they are incredibly resilient and next to impossible to break or fuck-up.
 

samar11

Member
There are people who considers replacing a GPU to be a scary process, and I don't blame them even if I personally don't think so.

Everytime I get a new GPU I get scared/worried when replacing it, especially when their the most expensive cards on the market lol
 
Why is PC gaming still considered difficult with too much tinkering?

Because it's exactly that? I need to troubleshoot hardware issues at least once a year and troubleshoot Windows or driver issues significantly more frequently. And not because anything in my rig is cheap or low end. Even I get tired of dealing with all the little and not so little technical issues that come along with gaming on PC, and I've been building and fixing computers for fifteen years. On a console, you never have to worry about your controller disappearing because of bugs in DS4Windows, you're not looking up fixes from PCGamingWiki because that game that just came out that doesn't work, you're not forced to carefully tweak settings for each new game to get it running well. Even having high end hardware doesn't exempt you from that, if anything it makes it worse because if you bought a $650 graphics card, you're going to want to squeeze every bit of fidelity out of it that you can.

That's without even touching on the hardware costs, which are ungodly. You can buy Crysis 3 for the Xbox 360 (it's even a remarkably intact port), I guarantee that you can not run Crysis 3 on a midrange gaming PC from 2005. The notion that you can get a comfortable system at anywhere near console prices and have it last through a console life cycle is false. It is a straight up lie. You might be able to dig up something with used parts, but then you're dealing with no warranty and the overwhelming majority of people don't have time for that. Even if your parts are new, you're still stuck with all the troubleshooting to figure out which part is the problem before sending in an RMA; and that process does not always give straightforward, clear answers.

A current game might list a GTX 660 (PS4 GPU equivalent) as the minimum, but that's generally going to be for 720p30, not the 1080p30 or 900p30 of the console release. Spec creep is alive and well, each new year's releases will be more demanding than the last, no exceptions. And that's without even getting into bad ports. Except when half of the new AAA games coming out perform badly, it's not really a few bad apples so much as that the entire thing being rotten. With the PS4 Pro offering great visuals at higher than 1080p resolutions for all of $400, the only reason to get in on PC is if you can't live without mouse controls. Unfortunately I am one of those people. My attempts to play any shooter on a console are laughable. The indies are nice too, but most of the great ones come out on console eventually. Even if you miss out on a few that are exclusive, we're not exactly suffering a shortage of new games right now.

I'm sitting here on a $3000 gaming PC which I would never want to live without, so please believe me when I say: PC gaming is a terrible hobby and most of its merits are dubious or overstated. Please don't get into it.
 
I mean, problems can happen, just because you've been lucky for 4 years doesn't mean it'll happen that way for everyone.
I think there was a thread here not long ago about that exact subject (I think regarding RE7 refusing to work with the OPs PC).

And regardless of how easy stuff is made, it will always be more difficult than console gaming plug and play, even if the gap shrinks.
 
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