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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS

Just got back and I really enjoyed it. I think it's an interesting direction to take the series where it's focusing on David and his obsession with creation. Honestly, the appearances of the various aliens felt forced and kind of unneeded outside of the first chestburster from David's egg chamber. No alien creature in the movie compared to the sinister nature of the David character himself. He's a classic movie villain in the making.

I hope Scott continues with his vision because I'm intrigued to see how he connects this arc to Alien.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
The more I think about the movie, the more I like it. Gonna watch Alien 3 later tonight just to go back into that world.

Also, man, the atmosphere in Covenant is so good. Ridley Scott is so great at making worlds feel real.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
I was startled how early this telegraphed it was going to be a stinker. The moment Insecure Religious Man started talking about his insecurities and "following the path as it's laid out before me" oh my god. It actually made Prometheus' "because that's what I believe" scene appear subtle.

Then the crew began subdividing. Leave three on the main ship. Okay good call, makes sense. Leave one back on the drop ship. Um, okay. Now two are stopping midway during their hike. Um, not such a great idea. Now one of the two that stopped are splitting up and you gotta be shitting me. This embraces the whole don't split up cliche from horror movies and takes it to the nth degree.

Then one of the women locks up the other one with the infected guy for...I don't know. She's a horrible person. But she's also uncoordinated, landing flat on her ass and missing shooting the alien. Then she gets another gun and blows up the entire drop ship, setting herself on fire to die a horrible death. I actually started laughing when she came flailing out of the ship. The least coordinated space traveler in science fiction history here, they leave to go on a hike and she blows the place up and is on fire. Bravo! All that's needed is the returning hikers to be carrying a couple of pizza boxes and we could have a recreation of that "what the fuck happened here" .gif.

It's been a long time since I've seen a character fail so much in a film. Someone on the first page mentioned it should have had the Benny Hill theme running through it, and they were spot on. Jesus.

But everyone else is just as dumb. Let's lower the main ship into the storm. Let's go stand on top of a ship to fight the thing that tore through the entire crew. Let's stick my face in this giant egg, when people doing so with aliens on their face are literally plastered all over the wall. Let's be stalking down a dark hallway looking for monsters while the people on your radio are like, "Um, what's up? Hello?" and you don't reply for reasons. I counted four times this happened, and I only started counting midway through the film.

Unlike Prometheus, this was not a visually interesting film. There's no set piece like the alien ship launching sequence near the end that feels like it really builds from anything or has visual impact. Just clumsy one-off scenes that happen for increasingly stupid reasons, and are not well set up or filmed coherently.

Prometheus was dumb and awkward and misguided, but it didn't have the contempt for the audience that this film did. When our hero is stapling David's face back together near the end, I'm sitting there thinking, they told the audience the android self-heals. How does someone in the chain of command of the ship not know that? Holy fucking shit people. I hated the ending to this film more than I have the ability to express.

I set my expectations to "pretty but dumb", aka Prometheus. But I got "not very pretty and it hates you even before you have a chance to hate it back".
 
It makes sense considering they are a group of people leaving on a trip to establish a permanent human colony in deep space that they are never returning from. They're largely expected to reproduce.

But why make the main crew largely comprised of couples? Tennessee's actions trying to get to his wife were extremely stupid given the fact that his main mission is to colonize a planet, not save a bunch of dumbasses and Walter,
 
But why make the main crew largely comprised of couples? Tennessee's actions trying to get to his wife were extremely stupid given the fact that his main mission is to colonize a planet, not save a bunch of dumbasses and Walter,

I have to imagine "Go into deep space and die alone" as a job listing isn't going to attract a lot of potential employees.

It's certainly more realistic than Prometheus having a crew go on a mission without being told about the objective at all until after they signed on to work and arrived at the destination.
 
Saw it tonight.

Thought it was ok. A million times better than Prometheus which I nearly fell asleep to. At least this was more of an Alien movie than that was.

Still though, I kinda wish Scott wasn't so adamant about crafting this backstory to his universe. Like, I get it, he clearly wants to establish some mythos to it, and to Covenant's benefit it was largely put on the backburner, but I hope the next Alien film is just a damned Alien film.

Fassbender was cool as David/Walter though.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
So, I kinda already realized it years ago, but I guess I just really have to accept that the chestburster does have a torso and only looked like a dick-snake back then due to unique issues pertaining to conventional effects at the time.
 

Slurmer

Banned
I was startled how early this telegraphed it was going to be a stinker. The moment Insecure Religious Man started talking about his insecurities and "following the path as it's laid out before me" oh my god. It actually made Prometheus' "because that's what I believe" scene appear subtle.

Then the crew began subdividing. Leave three on the main ship. Okay good call, makes sense. Leave one back on the drop ship. Um, okay. Now two are stopping midway during their hike. Um, not such a great idea. Now one of the two that stopped are splitting up and you gotta be shitting me. This embraces the whole don't split up cliche from horror movies and takes it to the nth degree.

Then one of the women locks up the other one with the infected guy for...I don't know. She's a horrible person. But she's also uncoordinated, landing flat on her ass and missing shooting the alien. Then she gets another gun and blows up the entire drop ship, setting herself on fire to die a horrible death. I actually started laughing when she came flailing out of the ship. The least coordinated space traveler in science fiction history here, they leave to go on a hike and she blows the place up and is on fire. Bravo! All that's needed is the returning hikers to be carrying a couple of pizza boxes and we could have a recreation of that "what the fuck happened here" .gif.

It's been a long time since I've seen a character fail so much in a film. Someone on the first page mentioned it should have had the Benny Hill theme running through it, and they were spot on. Jesus.

But everyone else is just as dumb. Let's lower the main ship into the storm. Let's go stand on top of a ship to fight the thing that tore through the entire crew. Let's stick my face in this giant egg, when people doing so with aliens on their face are literally plastered all over the wall. Let's be stalking down a dark hallway looking for monsters while the people on your radio are like, "Um, what's up? Hello?" and you don't reply for reasons. I counted four times this happened, and I only started counting midway through the film.

Unlike Prometheus, this was not a visually interesting film. There's no set piece like the alien ship launching sequence near the end that feels like it really builds from anything or has visual impact. Just clumsy one-off scenes that happen for increasingly stupid reasons, and are not well set up or filmed coherently.

Prometheus was dumb and awkward and misguided, but it didn't have the contempt for the audience that this film did. When our hero is stapling David's face back together near the end, I'm sitting there thinking, they told the audience the android self-heals. How does someone in the chain of command of the ship not know that? Holy fucking shit people. I hated the ending to this film more than I have the ability to express.

I set my expectations to "pretty but dumb", aka Prometheus. But I got "not very pretty and it hates you even before you have a chance to hate it back".

This is the most accurate review of the film there is and should be added to the OP.
 

Vectorman

Banned
What a massive disappointment this was. I was expecting Alien, I got Prometheus 2.
You didn't even get Prometheus 2. You got the David Show ft. Alien. The Engineers and Shaw got wrote out lol. Seriously what the hell, Ridley.

Having now properly watched the film now myself, it just seems obvious that this franchise needs another fresh start yet again. I like David but if you're going with focusing on David, perhaps you should have stuck with the original name for this film Paradise and not have bothered with inserting the original Alien. The Neomorphs were cool as it is but to say that David created them when there is the original film that refutes that is such bad recon and makes you wonder why Prometheus even happened when this was probably the film people wanted way back when Prometheus first opened.
 

Alienfan

Member
I have to imagine "Go into deep space and die alone" as a job listing isn't going to attract a lot of potential employees.

It's certainly more realistic than Prometheus having a crew go on a mission without being told about the objective at all until after they signed on to work and arrived at the destination
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I forgot how god damn stupid that part of the movie was. Aside from the captain, I actually thought covenant's characters behaved fairly believably (way better than Prometheus). That med scene felt super realistic, of course they were clumsy, weren't thinking rationally and scared. I don't see people's issue with it
 

zeioIIDX

Member
So I was thinking.

One theory I read as for the original Space Jockey is that the it isn't an Engineer at all but Daniels or some other human, possibly even David himself. David will have a collection of eggs somewhere and in the next film, someone will (after somehow getting access to an Engineer ship) take the precious cargo and fly away with them to go transport them somewhere else where they can't harm anyone (like a barren planet such as LV-426 perhaps?). Kinda like a last ditch effort at saving everyone else. At some point the pilot is infected (probably the reason he/she volunteers to take all the eggs and fly off with them) and upon entering the atmosphere, the alien emerges and the ship crash lands onto LV-426 where the aliens can hatch and never harm who they were intended to harm.

It could also be David as the original Space Jockey if he was actually transporting them to their intended destination in an Engineer suit and he gets infected with an alien and same thing happens as I stated before. He crash lands before he can get to where he was really going. The two biggest holes in this theory though is no human or android is as colossal as the original Space Jockey (although this was retconned in Prometheus) and where would they get another Juggernaut ship from at this point anyway?

David being the original Space Jockey would also explain why the original Xenomorph has a more mechanical look to it...because it came from an android. That makes too much sense that I honestly don't see that NOT being the route they take. David gets to sacrifice himself basically (either willingly or unwillingly) to create the ultimate/perfect weapon/creature.

Also hey...when Captain Faith asked David "Who/what are the eggs waiting for?" and he replied "Their mother."....who or what exactly is the mother of those eggs? I almost thought he turned Shaw into a Queen but it seems that didn't turn out to be true lol. And since they left that planet, I guess we don't get to see or find out who the mother of those eggs is, if in fact David really did mean some creature birthed those eggs in his lair and he didn't just create them in a "lab".
 
Also hey...when Captain Faith asked David "Who/what are the eggs waiting for?" and he replied "Their mother."....who or what exactly is the mother of those eggs? I almost thought he turned Shaw into a Queen but it seems that didn't turn out to be true lol. And since they left that planet, I guess we don't get to see or find out who the mother of those eggs is, if in fact David really did mean some creature birthed those eggs in his lair and he didn't just create them in a "lab".

Captain Faith is their mother. That's the implication.
 

zeioIIDX

Member
Captain Faith is their mother. That's the implication.

Ah, you're probably right! I think the thought went through my mind actually in the theater but I somehow swatted that thought away and started thinking too deeply about what actually birthed the eggs themselves.

I really love the Neomorphs by the way, I wish they had more time onscreen. They were just savage and relentless. It was unnveriving to see just how quickly they grow. I mean it scuttled off into the darkness only to come back within minutes as a large dog sized Neomorph at that point when they were in the field. Insane. And the adult Neomorph standing tall before David made me think of that demon from the Ash vs Evil Dead show, the white one with no eyes, slender body, and a gaping mouth full of teeth. The constant panting and huffing and puffing was just creepy and that was a really tense moment because it just stood there with it's long arms at its side, towering over David. The gunfire from Captain Faith actually made me jump out of my damned seat lol.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
It was alright as a sci-fi horror movie, but it was mediocre at best as an Alien movie.

We're never going to get another film on the level of Alien or Aliens.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Seeing what David did to the engineers in this movie, it makes a bit more sense in hindsight why the engineer in Prometheus was trying to wipe out Earth. Perhaps the engineers have had experience with artificial intelligence themselves and determined that AIs are inherently a threat to biological life. Any civilization that has developed the necessary technology must be destroyed.

Nah, the Engineers hate us because Jesus was an Engineer and we killed him.
 

Alienfan

Member
So I was thinking.

One theory I read as for the original Space Jockey is that the it isn't an Engineer at all but Daniels or some other human, possibly even David himself. David will have a collection of eggs somewhere and in the next film, someone will (after somehow getting access to an Engineer ship) take the precious cargo and fly away with them to go transport them somewhere else where they can't harm anyone (like a barren planet such as LV-426 perhaps?). Kinda like a last ditch effort at saving everyone else. At some point the pilot is infected (probably the reason he/she volunteers to take all the eggs and fly off with them) and upon entering the atmosphere, the alien emerges and the ship crash lands onto LV-426 where the aliens can hatch and never harm who they were intended to harm.

It could also be David as the original Space Jockey if he was actually transporting them to their intended destination in an Engineer suit and he gets infected with an alien and same thing happens as I stated before. He crash lands before he can get to where he was really going. The two biggest holes in this theory though is no human or android is as colossal as the original Space Jockey (although this was retconned in Prometheus) and where would they get another Juggernaut ship from at this point anyway?

David being the original Space Jockey would also explain why the original Xenomorph has a more mechanical look to it...because it came from an android. That makes too much sense that I honestly don't see that NOT being the route they take. David gets to sacrifice himself basically (either willingly or unwillingly) to create the ultimate/perfect weapon/creature.

Also hey...when Captain Faith asked David "Who/what are the eggs waiting for?" and he replied "Their mother."....who or what exactly is the mother of those eggs? I almost thought he turned Shaw into a Queen but it seems that didn't turn out to be true lol. And since they left that planet, I guess we don't get to see or find out who the mother of those eggs is, if in fact David really did mean some creature birthed those eggs in his lair and he didn't just create them in a "lab".

I think there's isn't a queen (David grew the eggs inside Shaw) but there will be a queen in future xenomorphs iterations, when their life cycle becomes more self sufficient and David achieves a biomechanical look.

I think David is the Space Jockey too, I also think we haven't seen the engineers home world yet. We simply saw another earth like Planet they use to experiment on or use as hosts. They'll play a part in a future movie and how David gets the engineer ship that crashes into LV-426.
 

Dahbomb

Member
The female pilot of the small ship (wife of Tennessee) has to win the Darwin award of the year.

I mean my god... the stupidity and clumsiness was off the scale there.


Though she wasn't really alone in the whole mess:


*Yup let's explore this totally uncharted, unknown new planet without any type of suit protection. I guess the monitor said it's habitable so it must be true!

*Yes let's probe and pick apart this new alien life form plant with my bare hands.

*Touch random alien derelict objects? Check.

*Let's lock another human being with another person who is clearly infected with something... better safe than sorry!

*After you see said infection take place... instead of just leaving it there you open it again trying to be the hero and then slip on the blood and fall flat on your ass.

*Not contend with just that, you have to use a god damn grenade launcher to nuke a creature coming at you and blow up the whole ship.

*Let us all follow this random dude on random planet through a GOD DAMN CITY of aliens that have been wiped out and their corpses all lying around. Yup... this looks like a safe place guys!

*Let me stick my face into this egg because I have been told to by this totally not evil android who didn't flinch when another human died but rather tried to talk to killer aliens.

*Yes let me lower a ship full of 2000 colonists and a thousand embryos into a plasma storm on an unknown planet just to save 2 people and 1 android (the killer android mind you).


Legitimately worse than Prometheus and that is quite a feat. Scott should hand over the franchise to a different director at this point.

And please god no, no one wants to see that movie in between Prometheus and Covenant. Waste of time and resources if Scott tried to get that greenlight. Just move the plot along after this movie and try to do something new.
 

Vectorman

Banned
So I was thinking.

One theory I read as for the original Space Jockey is that the it isn't an Engineer at all but Daniels or some other human, possibly even David himself. David will have a collection of eggs somewhere and in the next film, someone will (after somehow getting access to an Engineer ship) take the precious cargo and fly away with them to go transport them somewhere else where they can't harm anyone (like a barren planet such as LV-426 perhaps?). Kinda like a last ditch effort at saving everyone else. At some point the pilot is infected (probably the reason he/she volunteers to take all the eggs and fly off with them) and upon entering the atmosphere, the alien emerges and the ship crash lands onto LV-426 where the aliens can hatch and never harm who they were intended to harm.

It could also be David as the original Space Jockey if he was actually transporting them to their intended destination in an Engineer suit and he gets infected with an alien and same thing happens as I stated before. He crash lands before he can get to where he was really going. The two biggest holes in this theory though is no human or android is as colossal as the original Space Jockey (although this was retconned in Prometheus) and where would they get another Juggernaut ship from at this point anyway?

David being the original Space Jockey would also explain why the original Xenomorph has a more mechanical look to it...because it came from an android. That makes too much sense that I honestly don't see that NOT being the route they take. David gets to sacrifice himself basically (either willingly or unwillingly) to create the ultimate/perfect weapon/creature.

This theory is not possible when you watch this scene again:
https://youtu.be/n3znG2SXPz4
That suit would not fit David and the suit is almost fossilized as well. Covenant is supposed to be set only 20 years before Alien. I'm gonna assume that any sequel to this would even make that timeline even shorter. Ridley would really have to force to make the writers somehow explain that scene thru some bullshit at this point.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
David being the Space Jockey is the inevitable final insult of these prequels. Sure, the thing was 20ft tall and fossilised in the original movie but that doesn't matter to Ridley.

This theory is not possible when you watch this scene again:
https://youtu.be/n3znG2SXPz4
That suit would not fit David and the suit is almost fossilized as well. Covenant is supposed to be set only 20 years before Alien. Ripley would really have to force to make the writers somehow explain that scene thru some bullshit at this point.

Ridley has already retconned a huge amount, the size of the Space Jockey has already been changed. The Engineers from Prometheus are tiny compared to the Space Jockey. Ridley doesn't give a shit.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
The female pilot of the small ship (wife of Tennessee) has to win the Darwin award of the year.

I mean my god... the stupidity and clumsiness was off the scale there.

That's why that scene is so good, though. It IS clumsy and it should be.

This normal ass lady just saw an alien creature come out of a friend's back, attack another person and now the floor is covered with slippery blood. It's all nuts and it's awesome, I'd be annoyed if she just randomly became some kind of Ridley badass and killed the alien.

It's why a movie like Blue Ruin is so great. Normal people aren't gonna be total badasses just because the situation demands it, they're still just going to be normal people and normal people are going to be clumsy in such an insane and fucked up situation.
 

Vectorman

Banned
David being the Space Jockey is the inevitable final insult of these prequels. Sure, the thing was 20ft tall and fossilised in the original movie but that doesn't matter to Ridley.



Ridley has already retconned a huge amount, the size of the Space Jockey has already been changed. The Engineers from Prometheus are tiny compared to the Space Jockey. Ridley doesn't give a shit.

It just makes one wonder about Ridley's intentions with this whole ordeal. Did he really want to do another Alien movie or was it more the fact that he would get a bigger budget to produce his David fantasy films?
 
Deadline is now predicting 39 million for the weekend.

The putrid word of mouth on this film is already catching up to it one day in.

If this thing tops out at 110 domestic and 300 ww...man I think that puts a pause on the franchise again. That would be 100 million less than Prometheus.

Per Deadline --

"Still as Fox and filmmaker Ridley Scott expand and reboot this franchise, it would be nice to see these opening numbers go up especially in these die-hard brand driven times at the B.O., and we'll see if that's the case as the weekend continues with Covenant earning a B CinemaScore, the same grade as Prometheus. Right now, Alien: Covenant is playing like a sequel with its domestic opening -22% from Prometheus' $51M domestic start."
 

Dahbomb

Member
That's why that scene is so good, though. It IS clumsy and it should be.

This normal ass lady just saw an alien creature come out of a friend's back, attack another person and now the floor is covered with slippery blood. It's all nuts and it's awesome, I'd be annoyed if she just randomly became some kind of Ridley badass and killed the alien.

It's why a movie like Blue Ruin is so great. Normal people aren't gonna be total badasses just because the situation demands it, they're still just going to be normal people and normal people are going to be clumsy in such an insane and fucked up situation.
There's three things that could have happened:

1) Bad ass moment: Random pilot girl could've not gotten her comrade killed and killed the creature because it got out of hand. And not destroyed the ship in the process.

2) Normal sane human being moment: Not trapped her comrade in the med lab, let the infection take place and then try to get assistance from her comrade/buy enough time until the rest of her crew got in. Maybe one of them gets killed in the process... but at least the ship doesn't get destroyed.

3) Dumb ass "Darwin of the year" moment: Lock in your comrade, DELIBERATELY keep the door locked in after she is begging to open it and there's still time. Once she is dead, then you decide to open the door and try to macho down the alien but like the idiot you actually are, you trip on your ass and have to lock the door again. Then instead of running away from the ship or buy enough time for your crew to get there to help you... you end up nuking the ship with the gun's grenade launcher. THE VERY LEAST thing you could've done here is just held down the trigger button but no... you had to go the extra dumb ass mile to hit the secondary fire on the gun to use a grenade gun and blow up the ship.


There is no defending this... dumb ass girl panicked and fucked everyone up.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
It just makes one wonder about Ridley's intentions with this whole ordeal. Did he really want to do another Alien movie or was it more the fact that he would get a bigger budget to produce his David fantasy films?

Ridley's basically treating Alien like a long lost romantic fling he's never seen in ages.



He's trying way too hard to impress her.
 

Alienfan

Member
This theory is not possible when you watch this scene again:
https://youtu.be/n3znG2SXPz4
That suit would not fit David and the suit is almost fossilized as well. Covenant is supposed to be set only 20 years before Alien. I'm gonna assume that any sequel to this would even make that timeline even shorter. Ridley would really have to force to make the writers somehow explain that scene thru some bullshit at this point.

I've seen the fossilized point be brought up before, but was the original Space Jockey fossilized? And didn't just look like that because of being exposed to the vacuum of space or the limitations of 70s effects?
 

Ihyll

Junior Member
Want to go watch this movie but my mom who I usually go with and my sis will be out of town...should I go alone? :/
 

GhaleonEB

Member
The female pilot of the small ship (wife of Tennessee) has to win the Darwin award of the year.

I mean my god... the stupidity and clumsiness was off the scale there.


Though she wasn't really alone in the whole mess:


*Yup let's explore this totally uncharted, unknown new planet without any type of suit protection. I guess the monitor said it's habitable so it must be true!

*Yes let's probe and pick apart this new alien life form plant with my bare hands.

*Touch random alien derelict objects? Check.

*Let's lock another human being with another person who is clearly infected with something... better safe than sorry!

*After you see said infection take place... instead of just leaving it there you open it again trying to be the hero and then slip on the blood and fall flat on your ass.

*Not contend with just that, you have to use a god damn grenade launcher to nuke a creature coming at you and blow up the whole ship.

*Let us all follow this random dude on random planet through a GOD DAMN CITY of aliens that have been wiped out and their corpses all lying around. Yup... this looks like a safe place guys!

*Let me stick my face into this egg because I have been told to by this totally not evil android who didn't flinch when another human died but rather tried to talk to killer aliens.

*Yes let me lower a ship full of 2000 colonists and a thousand embryos into a plasma storm on an unknown planet just to save 2 people and 1 android (the killer android mind you).


Legitimately worse than Prometheus and that is quite a feat. Scott should hand over the franchise to a different director at this point.

And please god no, no one wants to see that movie in between Prometheus and Covenant. Waste of time and resources if Scott tried to get that greenlight. Just move the plot along after this movie and try to do something new.

Yup. I can't stop thinking about how comedic the fiasco at the landing ship was. She locks the other woman in there for quarantine, gets a gun, then opens it back up? Why lock her there in the first place if you're going to go back in? The *entire* disaster was her fault, and it only happens because she fucks up five or six times in rapid succession.

On that note - how did they miss the entire Engineer city in the fly over during the landing? It was a moment's walk away. Her ship scanned ahead and found "flat water" on the other side of the mountain and down a waterfall, but didn't notice a giant city nearby?

Oh, I almost forgot my favorite exchange of dialogue:

"I hate space!"
"That's why you should do yoga!"

Oh. My. God.

Edit: I'm really surprised, reading earlier in the thread, that people didn't see aliens popping out of the Engineers during that flashback when David bombs them. I thought it was clear as day, and the corpses even have holes in their chests.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
There's three things that could have happened:

1) Bad ass moment: Random pilot girl could've not gotten her comrade killed and killed the creature because it got out of hand. And not destroyed the ship in the process.

2) Normal sane human being moment: Not trapped her comrade in the med lab, let the infection take place and then try to get assistance from her comrade/buy enough time until the rest of her crew got in. Maybe one of them gets killed in the process... but at least the ship doesn't get destroyed.

3) Dumb ass "Darwin of the year" moment: Lock in your comrade, DELIBERATELY keep the door locked in after she is begging to open it and there's still time. Once she is dead, then you decide to open the door and try to macho down the alien but like the idiot you actually are, you trip on your ass and have to lock the door again. Then instead of running away from the ship or buy enough time for your crew to get there to help you... you end up nuking the ship with the gun's grenade launcher. THE VERY LEAST thing you could've done here is just held down the trigger button but no... you had to go the extra dumb ass mile to hit the secondary fire on the gun to use a grenade gun and blow up the ship.

She didn't open the door after her friend was dead, she was still alive and she didn't shoot a grenade launcher inside the ship, she hit some canisters that blew up. The xenomorph ran around them and she accidently shot them while trying to shot it.

There is no defending this... dumb ass girl panicked and fucked everyone up.

More like normal human reacts like a human when a literal monster crawls out of someone's skin and murders two people in front of you. I think expecting everyone to either be a badass or completely rational in a situation where no one would be rational is kind of tired and boring.

Saw this Twitter convo, which I agree with.
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Give me more actually normal sane human being reactions and not underserved moments of badassery.

[edit]

Also, she didn't run away because the door slammed her foot and when she jumped down you could hear her foot break. Seems like you misremember a lot of what happened in that scene.
 

daviyoung

Banned
Yup. I can't stop thinking about how comedic the fiasco at the landing ship was. She locks the other woman in there for quarantine, gets a gun, then opens it back up? Why lock her there in the first place if you're going to go back in? The *entire* disaster was her fault, and it only happens because she fucks up five or six times in rapid succession.

On that note - how did they miss the entire Engineer city in the fly over during the landing? It was a moment's walk away. Her ship scanned ahead and found "flat water" on the other side of the mountain and down a waterfall, but didn't notice a giant city nearby?

Oh, I almost forgot my favorite exchange of dialogue:

"I hate space!"
"That's why you should do yoga!"

Oh. My. God.

It's lucky the whole thing blew up at the end so that none of her actions had to be explained to the rest of the landing party when they returned
 

Vectorman

Banned
I've seen the fossilized point be brought up before, but was the original Space Jockey fossilized? And didn't just look like that because of being exposed to the vacuum of space or the limitations of 70s effects?
Captain Dallas: 'It's been dead a long time...fossilized.'
 
I really liked this but I also liked Prometheus so take some grains of salt with my opinion. Too tired to really write anything worthwhile (I just got back from an 11:45 PM showing) but i'll say what I liked:

The backburster scene was great. I even liked the blood pratfalls! The whole build up from landing on the planet to the guys getting infected and birthing the Neomorphs was awesome. Probably my favorite part of the film.

The "haunted house" section with David was also great.

The birth of the Xenomorph unil Tennessee's landing was nothing special but I loved Daniels fighting the xenomorph while swinging around on the ship.

The final section was also pretty good and I'll admit the David twist got me. I figured David wouldn't actually let Daniels kill the Xenomorph so he was probably Walter. Daniels reaction to David was a great chilling moment.

There were only a few things I didn't like: Oram looking into the egg. David vs Walter was way too anime. The baby xenomorph on the cross was eye-roll inducing.

So yeah overall I really enjoyed this. That said I can understand why some people that didn't like Prometheus also didn't like this. They should have called it Prometheus: Alien: Covenant.
 

watershed

Banned
Ridley Scott is doing to Alien what George Lucas did to the original Star Wars movie. He's making the original Alien film worse by going back and answering questions that either shouldn't be answered or should have far better answers. Completely casting aside the Engineers after they were the driving mystery behind Prometheus and the major connection to Alien in order to focus on David and the creator of the xenomorphs was a terrible decision.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
I've seen the fossilized point be brought up before, but was the original Space Jockey fossilized? And didn't just look like that because of being exposed to the vacuum of space or the limitations of 70s effects?

Dallas says it's fossilised as soon as he sees it. It's not exposed to the vacuum of space anyway, it's inside a ship on the surface of a planet.
 

Monocle

Member
She didn't open the door after her friend was dead, she was still alive and she didn't shoot a grenade launcher inside the ship, she hit some canisters that blew up. The xenomorph ran around them and she accidently shot them while trying to shot it.



More like normal human reacts like a human when a literal monster crawls out of someone's skin and murders two people in front of you. I think expecting everyone to either be a badass or completely rational in a situation where no one would be rational is kind of tried and boring.

Saw this Twitter convo, which I agree with.
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Give me more actually normal sane human being reactions and not underserved moments of badassery.

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Also, she didn't run away because the door slammed her foot and when she jumped down you could hear her foot break. Seems like you misremember a lot of what happened in that scene.
All of this. I have no time for arguments that terror stricken human beings in utterly horrifying situations they've never experienced before should do anything other than freak the hell out and be overtaken by their pure primal drive to run or fight.

When you're in the midst of an adrenaline rush, terrified for your life, you can't do anything other than react react react. It would take either prolonged systematic conditioning or truly exceptional instincts to override that and think on your feet.
 

Zekes!

Member
Give me more actually normal sane human being reactions and not underserved moments of badassery.

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I'll agree that criticizing characters for crying too much in a situation that you should be shitting your pants in is ridiculous, but there's also being unrealistically dumb as fuck too, which characters frequently are in this movie.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
All of this. I have no time for arguments that terror stricken human beings in utterly horrifying situations they've never experienced before should do anything other than freak the hell out and be overtaken by their pure primal drive to run or fight.

When you're in the midst of an adrenaline rush, terrified for your life, you can't do anything other than react react react. It would take either prolonged systematic conditioning or truly exceptional instincts to override that and think on your feet.

She was freaking the fuck out

Everyone on the Covenant were freaking the fuck out

Everyone who was walking back to the ship was fricking the fuck out

It was complete and utter pandemonium as it should've been.

I'll agree that criticizing characters for crying too much in a situation that you should be shitting your pants in is ridiculous, but there's also being unrealistically dumb as fuck too, which characters frequently are in this movie.

I mean, I guess? I wouldn't say Kenny Power's wife was dumb for not knowing how to deal with the situation at hand, though. Like, she even tried to use a gun and missed every single shot because she probably had never used one before.
 

Zampano

Member
David recreates himself as the Alien Queen. I have no proof of this other than the fact that it's the type of dumb shit this series is likely to do.
 

Maximus P

Member
More like normal human reacts like a human when a literal monster crawls out of someone's skin and murders two people in front of you

Also, she didn't run away because the door slammed her foot and when she jumped down you could hear her foot break. Seems like you misremember a lot of what happened in that scene.

The girl panicked long before she saw the Alien. She infact ran away locking the door when she saw the guys back start to bleed, which could have been anything at that point, she ran away initially to call for help on the communicator to the main ship. I don't think even the most crazy or crazies would have thought that a super fast growing alien was going to pop out at that point. It wasn't until she went back did she see that the guy had some sort of alien growing out of him did she decide to once again refuse her friend freedom and opt for a gun. Surely someone panicking would have just left them there and ran for the hills?

What makes the scene even more ridiculous his a line her husband makes later in the movie when he discovers that she dead.

'I've never heard her scared before'

Sorry pal, your wife shit her pants when a crew member got sick.
 

Monocle

Member
She was freaking the fuck out

Everyone on the Covenant were freaking the fuck out

Everyone who was walking back to the ship was fricking the fuck out

It was complete and utter pandemonium as it should've been.
Yeah it all felt totally believable to me.

David recreates himself as the Alien Queen. I have no proof of this other than the fact that it's the type of dumb shit this series is likely to do.
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For me, the issue isn't her decision to lock her crewmate in the med bay and then scramble like a lunatic. What I thought was ridiculous was her slipping in the same exact pool of blood we saw the other woman slip in. And then she blows up the damn ship. The execution makes it come off as comical.

It's like Theron getting squashed by the ship in Prometheus. Sure, I can buy that someone freaking out would not think and run in a straight line. But constantly cutting to a wide view of the ship falling, clearly showing that she could run just feet to the side and survive, makes it come off really stupid. It doesn't help that Rapace's character literally does roll 5 feet to the right and survives.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
The girl panicked long before she saw the Alien. She infact ran away locking the door when she saw the guys back start to bleed, which could have been anything at that point, she ran away initially to call for help on the communicator to the main ship. I don't think even the most crazy or crazies would have thought that a super fast growing alien was going to pop out at that point. It wasn't until she went back did she see that the guy had some sort of alien growing out of him did she decide to once again refuse her friend freedom and opt for a gun. Surely someone panicking would have just left them there and ran for the hills?

What makes the scene even more ridiculous his a line her husband makes later in the movie when he discovers that she dead.

'I've never heard her scared before'

Sorry pal, your wife shit her pants when a crew member got sick.

They landed on an alien planet and like an hour later one of the crew members is dying for who knows what the hell and he just threw up on someone else. This is not really a normal situation. Who wouldn't panic if something like this happened?

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She kept telling them not to touch anything and then threw away something that they touched before she entered ther shit. She was terrified that whatever he had had infected her or would end up infecting the whole ship.
 
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