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Sony should refund anyone who bought Metal Slug Anthology
- Thread starter dragonzdogma
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No, I meant on the Playstation console menu itself, the custom button assignments, but I see that you can only switch the directional pad and not the sticks. My bad
EatinOlives
Member
I'm not particularly picky on input lag, but it's SUPER obvious that there's lag in this video...
NinjamicWZ
Banned
You can screencap my rapidly oscillating thumb about to touch down on the left d-pad button, to press it, after having just instantaneously turned the character right, and pretend what you're saying is happening, sure.
AzureFlame
Member
I only noticed that input lag with the 1st game, the others worked fine.
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Can't tell if you're being serious. But you're proving there is a ton of lag in that video.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
So you're saying that my thumb release itself is like a single frame of animation which is also initiated by the button press, and that Marco's response time is 1:1 with my own real life response time.
EatinOlives
Member
Theonik
Member
Still better than most other ports of the games all things considered. I still prefer playing the games on a real MVS or PC emulators though.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
So you're showing me that I can move my thumb to the other side of the d-pad faster than Marco can complete a turning animation cycle. This isn't input lag.
EatinOlives
Member
Nice try. Look at the end of the gif when you're repeatedly pressing the same direction. No turning animation cycle at all.
Just admit you didn't notice the input lag.
Dude.
Play your own video at 0.25 speed.
Here, I even made a gif for you.
This is actually fucking hilarious. I bet the person who created this video can't tell much of a difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS.
old manatee
Banned
professor denim
Member
The input lag is real. I got 1>3 on Aes
Onlinehero
Member
I've never seen a more obvious demonstration of input lag!
ethomaz
Banned
You clear see input lag in this video...
NinjamicWZ
Banned
You mean where I started trying to soft tap and missed the button the first time. I'll admit that was a good selection on your part.
You can make gifs for me, I can make gifs for you.
These are incredibly light taps. My thumb coming up from skin contact and Marco's nudge forward occur simultaneously.
If your argument is that input lag exists at all, in video games, yeah, no duh. If your argument is that Metal Slug Anthology has terrible input lag, no.
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
You mean where I started trying to soft tap and missed the button the first time. I'll admit that was a good selection on your part.
You can make gifs for me, I can make gifs for you.
These are incredibly light taps. My thumb coming up from skin contact and Marco's nudge forward occur simultaneously.
If your argument is that input lag exists at all, in video games, yeah, no duh. If your argument is that Metal Slug Anthology has terrible input lag, no.
If you don't notice input lag, good for you. But it's absolutely a valid complaint to everyone that does notice it.
EatinOlives
Member
You mean where I started trying to soft tap and missed the button the first time. I'll admit that was a good selection on your part.
You can make gifs for me, I can make gifs for you.
These are incredibly light taps. My thumb coming up from skin contact and Marco's nudge forward occur simultaneously.
If your argument is that input lag exists at all, in video games, yeah, no duh. If your argument is that Metal Slug Anthology has terrible input lag, no.
Lol, "good selection" implying I'm being selective. I'm recording the first few seconds of your own video, unedited. Now you're just making excuses. "Light taps! I missed the button!"
The gif you just made only shows that my original gif, and claim, is right.
And now you're moving goal posts. You originally claimed there was "NO input lag", as per the title of your video and your posts in the thread. Now it's suddenly "of course there is, just not "terrible" ".
Again, just admit you didn't notice the lag. Clearly I'm not the only one in the thread who agrees with me.
Mass Effect
Member
Ninja, my man, the input lag is there. You got about 10 others telling you the same thing...
Chase Lebowski
Member
Yep, I bought it too few months back and I coudn't play it because of the terrible input lag.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I didn't say you edited my video, and if you're not being selective on purpose, then you're misconstruing a failed tap->missing animation as input lag.
It's not an excuse, I did miss my tap in the other video too, trying to alternate what I'm doing, hold the controller and keep the screen visible, tap soft and quick for demonstration of subtle movements and of course I undertapped on part of it. I was hoping I wouldn't have to re-record multiple times just to make sure all my button presses were exact to avoid someone like you isolating it.
Here's what I started with:
That was my qualifier before I posted a video and before you started talking to me or constructing your angles of scrutiny.
NO input lag in the video title just meant that it's not an unusual amount of input lag, the hyperbolic opposite of "UNPLAYABLE" statements.
I get it, you're on a "hohoho, this guy thinks input lag doesn't exist, let's have some fun" kick. That's your own goal post, not mine.
I'm glad you count yourself as one of the people who agrees with you, but since you like internet forum debate terms like "moving the goal posts" you probably also are familiar with "appeals to authority"
nkarafo
Member
There's the problem, right there.
Too much emulation nowadays (that adds lag) and a shitty TV technology (that's not as good as CRT) that isn't fit for video games.
Elwood Blues
Member
Some people just can't admit when they're wrong.
deadscreensky
Member
What a wonderful conspiracy theory. So SNK must be paying people to spread this myth for going on a decade now? Because I'd totally get paid to tell people to buy Metal Slug games.
(Except the ones with crippling input lag, nobody should support those.)
nkarafo
Member
Um, there is a ton of input lag in this video. Personally i'm sensitive to even less than that so this one makes me angry, it feels like the character weights 300kg and he is underwater.
The Hermit
Member
Denial is a hell of a thing.
People adjust to lag though, so I don't blame him. But it's pretty real.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Just play these on pc emulators. PS2 is pretty good, as is GC,wii.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
You're taking that too far, it's just emulation purist fanboyism, not political rally plants.
Great link. Yeah, I'm aware that people have been hyperbolic about it for a very long time. It's one of those few things that attracts purist arcade->emulation->CRT debate like moths to a flame, and conduits directly to all the people casually asking about which Metal Slug they should buy when they're looking at 5 or so versions across different console storefronts, and get inundated with "bruh, I've got some extinct Japanese CRT in my basement and all the Neo Geo cartridges... Anthology is unplayable trash, don't ever buy it, buy the $20 standalone release of Metal Slug 3 instead" hyperbole and posturing instead of being told that Metal Slug Anthology is a perfectly playable game with a better value proposition.
You're not informing me of anything, you're just reminding me why I won't budge on this.
EatinOlives
Member
Nobody's "isolating" anything. It's the opening seconds of your own video, slowed down. That's it. If you can't provide adequate proof, why provide any proof at all?
Nobody thinks that. You're making up arguments in your head.
Like I said in my very first post, I'm not particularly sensitive to input lag. I play plenty of emulated games I'm sure have input lag. I don't even know what my input lag on my TV is. If I make a video identical to yours and slow it down I wouldn't be surprised if anyone could spot input lag. But what's obvious is that the video you're showing has input lag. You're the only one claiming there wasn't one, then backpedaling on it being severe.
You're taking this way too personally. I'm not saying anything about you, your preferences, your perception of input lag, your tolerance of it, or the Metal Slug Anthology. I'm saying the videos you're posting clearly show input lag. That's it.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised either.
durrrrrrrrrr
Member
i'm loving how one guys literally posts a video with massive input lag then plugs his ears and goes lalala when people tell him it's input lag. ignorance is indeed bliss, i wouldn't be able to play 2 minutes with that much delay.
You can blatantly see input lag...
Big Chungus
Member
Seriously, the input lag on this game is inexcusable. It's not even playable.
Just how, how did this get approved as a PS2 PS4 port?
Isn't there anything I can do about it?
I've never felt so cheated in buying a game
You posted in a thread where people mentioned input lag, you should have known.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1241283&page=2
cireza
Member
lol, that's just unplayable.
Seriously, the input lag on this game is inexcusable. It's not even playable.
Just how, how did this get approved as a PS2 PS4 port?
Isn't there anything I can do about it?
I've never felt so cheated in buying a game
Noticed that when I first boot it, check some online impression, everyone say you got to use the analog stick to play instead and it was definitely a lot better. I think this problem existed on the original ps2.
The input delay is super clear in your vid (beyond what's normal to expect). The clock in the background is a useful reference point, too. You're just not noticing it or played that version enough to filter it out.
The PS2 version of this game does have inherent input lag, but it's not unplayable. I bet what happened is that there's lag in addition to what's inherent in the game (that either came about through the remaster, OP's HDTV, or both), and all of that lag combined adds up and makes the game unplayable-tier.
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