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Bill Maher on bringing Milo back, Le Penn, Vaccinations, Islam.....

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
EDIT:A reminder of the last time Milo was given a platform

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Ok so Esquire released this long article about Maher today...and simply holy shit at some of the things said in this article...

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a55479/bill-maher-profile/

Now Maher says that he'd like to help rescue Yiannopoulos from his tumble out of the spotlight. "I actually want to have him back," Maher told me. "I don't think he would be that hard to bring around to a much more reasonable position." (Yiannopoulos says another appearance is in the works.)

Maher's defense for inviting unseemly, ratings-pumping guests on his show is that America is doomed if it lets free speech die. He has no patience for what some call "no-platforming," which maintains that a commitment to free speech doesn't mean you have to give bigots the opportunity of appearing, say, on a show watched by four million people.

Again the reasons why people don't allow Milo a platform have been well laid out. He's a harmful human being who actively doxxed and harasses people.

Vaccination is apparently a scam....

Western medicine is another of Maher's bugaboos. He can filibuster for hours about what medical science doesn't know and calls flu vaccines a "scam." (The only pharmaceutical medication he says he uses is for his thinning hair.) Not even Jonas Salk gets off the hook. "I'm glad I got the polio vaccine, and I think it did put the final kibosh on it," he told me. "But polio was going down, dramatically, even before the vaccine." (Not exactly. In each of the twelve years before 1955, when Salk's vaccine became widely available, there were at least 10,000 cases of polio in the United States. Since 1964, there has not been a year with more than 115 cases.)

There's this really really flimsy comparison...

Eventually Maher gave me the cue card with the quotation from Blow, in which the columnist talked about being bisexual. The passage read, in part, "No one has the right to define or restrict the parameters of another person's attractions, love, or intimacy. . . . Attraction is attraction, and it doesn't always wear a label."
"That applies to everybody but me," Maher said with a hint of complaint. "Everybody but a man my age who wants to go out with younger women. That's the last politically incorrect thing you can do in America, and it is not forgiven." He paused. "It would be okay if I came out as gay on my sixtieth birthday," he said, before offering himself a round of mock applause. "Well, fuck you, I'm going to do what my body wants—like everybody else in America."

on Islam

One of Real Time's most notorious exchanges came in 2014, during an argument with Ben Affleck. Maher told Affleck that Islam "is the only religion that acts like the Mafia, that will fucking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture, or write the wrong book." Affleck responded by calling Maher's views—as well as those of Sam Harris, a fellow panelist—"gross" and "racist." Their attacks on Muslims, he said, were like calling someone "a shifty Jew." (When Harris made a provocative remark on Real Time earlier this year, he mocked Affleck, who has not returned to the show. "If Batman were here," Harris said, "he'd call us a racist." On Real Time and in his stand-up, Maher insists that his views of Islam do not amount to Islamophobia. And yet he finds it ridiculous that many liberals respond to terrorist attacks by saying that the actions of the few don't represent the entire Muslim population. "I think if you poll the majority of Muslims in the world, they want sharia law," Maher told me.


on Le Pen.

After the show, Maher looked tired as he plowed through some whitefish. I sat quietly in a chair while he ate. He broke the silence.

"After what you said, I listened, and they laughed just as hard at the Islam stuff as anything else," he said with a smile.

He told me that he'd read the Marine Le Pen op-ed we'd discussed on the plane. Its author, Ross Douthat, he said, had been on Real Time.

"It's not exactly what I said last night," Maher admitted in a hesitant tone. "I don't know much about her." Maher seemed to be on the verge of correcting the record, but stopped himself. "I'm not saying I'm a fan, but liberals have decided she's Hitler. I don't know if that's true and I feel like I honestly keep an open mind."

He eyed me up and down.

"Party matters. It matters that her father was a Nazi. But it also matters that family going against family is the rarest form of bravery. I remember the Unabomber's brother." He trailed off before making explicit a moral equivalence between Marine Le Pen—who broke with her dad for what appeared to be politically expedient reasons—and Ted Kaczynski's brother, who turned in his terrorist sibling to the FBI.

Instead, Maher zeroed in on the disgust for Le Pen that I'd displayed the night before. "You didn't have an argument," he told me. "You had a reaction."

I wanted to tell Maher that my "reaction" was based in part on the knowledge that Le Pen had recently said the French were not to blame for shipping Jews to death camps during World War II. (That crime belonged to the Vichy regime, an illegitimate government, she said, neglecting to mention that it was staffed at every level by French citizens.) But I was exhausted and the room was soon full of people, including the grateful beneficiaries of Maher's philanthropy.

Maher returned to the subject in the van on the way back to the airport. "I just want you to keep an open mind until you really know. Just don't jump on a team—everything in this country is team," he said. "Look, she may turn out to be fucking Hitler in garters, but it's unfair to ask her to suffer the sins of her father."

I tried to argue that Le Pen's nationalist rhetoric was worrisome, but Maher cut me off.
"Nationalist, it's just a word," he said with disdain. "We get all freaked out because they say 'Death to America' in Iran, but Persian people will tell you that it doesn't really, actually mean what you think it does."

It was at this point that I realized Maher's Doubting Thomas ideology is, in its way, as rigid as any dogma, a reflexive contrarianism that works spectacularly well for him right up until it convinces him that it's okay for a white person to call himself a "house nigger." He can be just as dependent on slogans and talking points as the politicians he skewers on his show. And here, perhaps, was another important difference between him and his peers. Unlike John Oliver, who did seventeen minutes on the French election, Maher clearly had not done his homework about the most important European election of this century so far.

We got on the plane. There was talk of Barbra Streisand's birthday party, which Maher attended, but his thoughts returned to Le Pen.

"Look, I'm not her fan," he said, adjusting a baseball cap. "I'm just keeping an open mind and not swimming with the tide."

Just wow. :|
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Now Maher says that he'd like to help rescue Yiannopoulos from his tumble out of the spotlight. "I actually want to have him back," Maher told me. "I don't think he would be that hard to bring around to a much more reasonable position." (Yiannopoulos says another appearance is in the works.)

Can we please just tell Maher to fuck off now?
 

Fury451

Banned
Maher seems to be a contrarian for contrarian's sake, just so he can hold the fake moral high ground.

That's the only flimsy justification I can think to hold such asinine views and positions on things, or to be so straight up tinfoil hat and ignorant.
 

Slayven

Member
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Maher seems to be a contrarian for contrarian's sake, just so he can hold the fake moral high ground.

That's the only flimsy justification I can think to hold such asinine views and positions on things, or to be so straight up tinfoil hat and ignorant.

I think he masks sheer ignorance with arrogance
 
Idiots like this will bring back diseases we no longer have a natural barrier against. There will be epidemics, tens of thousands of children WILL die.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
I've been shitting on Maher for years. Not sure how anyone couldn't see how he really is.
 

Zyae

Member
I like Maher, mostly. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone whos followed him. He has long standing wacko beliefs on vaccinations and is a militant anti religion, specifically anti Islam.


While I do not personally agree with his stance on Milo and LePenn he isnt exactly wrong.
 

Lime

Member
Anyone calling themselves progressive and/or liberal and/or left need to look at themselves if they still want to listen to Maher and even defend the douchebag.
 
Unsurprising. You want the real ideological root of the horrendous anti-vaccination fad, it's in libertarianism. It's not about ~science~, it's about whether doctors should be able to tell people what to put in their bodies (and because herd immunity is fucking real, you bet your ass they should be able to).
 
Milo defends pedophilia and Maher still wants to have him back on the show.

Fuck Maher. Any self-proclaimed liberal or Democrat still defending him at this point needs to get their head examined.
 

Slayven

Member
I like Maher, mostly. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone whos followed him. He has long standing wacko beliefs on vaccinations and is a militant anti religion, specifically anti Islam.


While I do not personally agree with his stance on Milo and LePenn he isnt exactly wrong.
Didn't Milo just release a business plan talking about how he will seduce 12 year old boys?
 

Xe4

Banned
He also denies germ theory. Uses the Pasteur deathbed recantation lie that us only popular on denialism sites. Mayher is a piece of shit, and I've thought so for a while.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
While I do not personally agree with his stance on Milo and LePenn he isnt exactly wrong.
He's 100% wrong. Not all speech deserves a platform and some speech DOES need to have laws against it, especially the shit Milo says AND does.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Maher is the Rush Limbaugh of the left and has been for years. Guy is beyond ridiculous and should be ignored.
 

Ac30

Member
I also need to hear Milo claim trans individuals commit the lion's share of sexual crimes again.

Thanks for giving him a platform without countering anything he says, Maher.
 

Otnopolit

Member
Why the fuck do people like Maher again?

Honestly, same as Trump: he "tells it like it is".

Translation: He remains an affirmation for bigots on the left.

Now this isn't the case 100% of the time, but that's the only reason I can come up with.
 

FyreWulff

Member
okay, saying the polio vaccine was unneeded is some new weapons-grade stupid that .. wow, my brain just started spilling out of my nose brb i'm dead
 
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