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[Yappadappadu]

Currently playing around with a 65B7, and while I like the low input lag, I miss the 3D of the E6.

People keep saying that but I still don't see why you wouldn't just use a PS4 Pro or Xbone S on one of those TVs that will upscale games to 4K. The upscaler on the Sony X1E chip is easily the best on any TV set out there too so 10ms is a decent sacrifice for that.

What about PC games, then? Gaming in 4K/60 isn't a given on GTX 1080.
Wonder what the input lag is for 1440p.

 

[nogoodnamesleft]

Wow so am I reading this right that I should buy the LG C7 over the Sony A1E for gaming?

 

[Theonik]

I agree with you on everything, except for the "10ms sacrifice". I'm used to 23ms, so 47.4 ms is not just +10ms, more like double the input lag, and almost unplayable for me (I'm very sensitive to input lag). Sony A1E is very expensive and not suited for gaming (for me), so it's a no brainer choosing LG (again, for me). You pay much more for better motion handling and excellent upscaling, not worh it, imo.

For native res you are looking at 30ms or so iirc. So yeah it's a 10ms sacrifice for upscaling.

What about PC games, then? Gaming in 4K/60 isn't a given on GTX 1080.
Wonder what the input lag is for 1440p.

Haven't seen tests for that usecase but I imagine you get a hit for 1440p. Having said that, nVidia has an option to have the card scale if you need so consider using that. For 4K, I say wait for Volta or buy a Titan. My 980Ti holds OK on some games having said that for 4K.

 

[Madness]

A1E if you have the cash, otherwise go C7 and get a very similar picture quality for hundreds less. While the A1E looks better, the cost doesn't justify it for me. If you are 'big baller' sure. Otherwise the C7 is again the OLED to beat this year for PQ meets Proce meets requirements.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Yep.



Don't write off the likely possibility that input lag in all modes (even the ones where it's already pretty good) will be improved in a firmware update. I think it's bound to happen. Though of course the LG can be quite a bit cheaper.



If you go on the official company sites for both sizes I think they usually give the full dimensions of the models in each size.

I did find this for the screens themselves:
http://www.comparetvsizes.com/?tv1=55&a1=169&tv2=65&a2=169

Obviously if there are speakers on the sides of a given model that will add even more.

Edit: The below has even more detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exoB7Gw6UsI

http://www.displaywars.com/55-inch-16x9-vs-65-inch-16x9

There's a pic and link in the OP

Thanks guys!

If i end up going for 55 inch i'm gonna go with the C7. If i don't and i go with the 65 inch B6 it would mean i pay 600 euros more for just the size difference. I assume a lot of people here looking for OLED would be willing to shell out the extra 600, right?

 

[blakdeth]

Yes, it is no longer produced, and prices went thru the roof. The free AVS709 disc is excellent and works just as well.

It can be burned not a DVD and played at 1080p quality.

Thanks for the tip.

Any suggestions on a meter? Once I get the basics out of the way and a 100+ hours on the display, I will probably attempt a full calibration.

I have an "Xrite i1 Display Pro OEM" that I bought back in 2011. I've used it a few times, but it hasn't been used in at lest three years, so I am afraid it may have drifted. What do you think?

 

[RedlineRonin]

Running into some unanticipated issues already with PC and LG C7.

I was used to downsampling to 1080p on my Panasonic Plasma, since I have a GTX 1080. I was running a lot of games at 1440, 1620, 1800p etc.

I tried to set those custom resolutions last night in Nvidia control panel, and the screen just goes black, so presumably, those aren't supported resolutions I guess?

I assumed, similar to downsampling, the set would just "upsample" from those resolutions so the set still sees 4K.

As it stands it seems like in most games I can only choose 1080, 1440 or 4K. And 1440 seems to lock at 30hz? As though the set can't support 60hz at that resolution.

Anyone with any 4K sets using their PC much and have any experience with this stuff?

 

[BlizzyAzz]

Running into some unanticipated issues already with PC and LG C7.

I was used to downsampling to 1080p on my Panasonic Plasma, since I have a GTX 1080. I was running a lot of games at 1440, 1620, 1800p etc.

I tried to set those custom resolutions last night in Nvidia control panel, and the screen just goes black, so presumably, those aren't supported resolutions I guess?

I assumed, similar to downsampling, the set would just "upsample" from those resolutions so the set still sees 4K.

As it stands it seems like in most games I can only choose 1080, 1440 or 4K. And 1440 seems to lock at 30hz? As though the set can't support 60hz at that resolution.

Anyone with any 4K sets using their PC much and have any experience with this stuff?

https://youtu.be/wSpHONwyBqg?t=5m51s

You can use any resolution but you need to activate the scaling.

 

[RedlineRonin]

https://youtu.be/wSpHONwyBqg?t=5m51s

You can use any resolution but you need to activate the scaling.

Interesting. Thank you very much.

I was doing everything else in the video, like adjusting scaling in the control panel etc, I just didn't realize you needed a third party utility to set up the custom resolutions instead of being able to do it directly in control panel.

That part seems odd, but I'll give it a go this afternoon.

Thanks again.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Got some amazing news today, basically what it comes down to is, i could buy that 65 inch B6 OLED this week or next week. It will cost me 2699 (delivered to my home) . It's a godawful lot of money and i've never spent it on a TV before but man........

This would mean not only a huge upgrade going from 1080p OLED to 4K/HDR but also from 55 inch to 65 inch. I wasn't gonna go for the 55 inch B6 anymore, so it would be the C7 if i'd go 55 inch in that case. That one would set me back 2050-2100 euros. Price difference of 599. I should go for big, right?

 

[RedlineRonin]

Got some amazing news today, basically what it comes down to is, i could buy that 65 inch B6 OLED this week or next week. It will cost me 2699 (delivered to my home) . It's a godawful lot of money and i've never spent it on a TV before but man........

This would mean not only a huge upgrade going from 1080p OLED to 4K/HDR but also from 55 inch to 65 inch. I wasn't gonna go for the 55 inch B6 anymore, so it would be the C7 if i'd go 55 inch in that case. That one would set me back 2050-2100 euros. Price difference of 599. I should go for big, right?

Yes. Always.

=)

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Yes. Always.

=)

Í'm gonna think on it for a few hours, but i'll make my decision this weekend. I could wait until october or so and maybe see that price lowering even more or in worst case scenario the B6 sells out and isn't available anymore. Some stores are warning me about that.

 

[RedlineRonin]

Í'm gonna think on it for a few hours, but i'll make my decision this weekend. I could wait until october or so and maybe see that price lowering even more or in worst case scenario the B6 sells out and isn't available anymore. Some stores are warning me about that.

Yup, I think you're absolutely right about the price coming down.

Always support thinking about a TV decision. You'll have it for awhile!

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Yup, I think you're absolutely right about the price coming down.

Always support thinking about a TV decision. You'll have it for awhile!

For damn sure and it's already a very nice price. I mean in all other stores (actually that same store too, unless you directly call them up) has it for about 3169.

If i do decide to wait it out and it's a bit risky, because if it sells out for the nice low price, the only other 65 inch are just too expensive for me, i'll be stuck with this current rather shitty Sony 720p TV until late this year...not really looking forward to that.

 

[datamage]

Interesting. Thank you very much.

I was doing everything else in the video, like adjusting scaling in the control panel etc, I just didn't realize you needed a third party utility to set up the custom resolutions instead of being able to do it directly in control panel.

That part seems odd, but I'll give it a go this afternoon.

Thanks again.

Hmm, that's odd. On my C6, I'm able to add custom resolutions just fine in the NVIDIA Control Panel. (Currently using 3200x1800 when I need to.) I did not have to resort to any 3rd party apps.

 

[BumRush]

Thanks guys!

If i end up going for 55 inch i'm gonna go with the C7. If i don't and i go with the 65 inch B6 it would mean i pay 600 euros more for just the size difference. I assume a lot of people here looking for OLED would be willing to shell out the extra 600, right?

Yeah, I'd think so...65" is a major size improvement over 55", despite it not sounding like it is.

 

[RedlineRonin]

Hmm, that's odd. On my C6, I'm able to add custom resolutions just fine in the NVIDIA Control Panel. (Currently using 3200x1800 when I need to.) I did not have to resort to any 3rd party apps.

Hmmm....

That's why I thought that was weird. Although, in the DF video he links, John acknowledges the Nvidia and AMD tools aren't as up to snuff as they need to be for doing that kind of stuff, so I thought it made sense.

Would you mind, if it isn't too much trouble, taking a snapshot of the settings window for one of your custom resolutions? The one where you enter the H rez, V rez, timings, all of that stuff? Maybe there's something else, other than rez and Hz, that I need to change...

For damn sure and it's already a very nice price. I mean in all other stores (actually that same store too, unless you directly call them up) has it for about 3169.

If i do decide to wait it out and it's a bit risky, because if it sells out for the nice low price, the only other 65 inch are just too expensive for me, i'll be stuck with this current rather shitty Sony 720p TV until late this year...not really looking forward to that.

Yeah, TV pricing can be very goofy when it comes to the whole "what it can be advertised at, versus what will they sell it for" thing.

I will say, HDR is the truth. The res bump is nice, but HDR looks absolutely incredible through netflix and amazon. The lighting and color looks, ironically, unbelievably realistic

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Hmmm....

That's why I thought that was weird. Although, in the DF video he links, John acknowledges the Nvidia and AMD tools aren't as up to snuff as they need to be for doing that kind of stuff, so I thought it made sense.

Would you mind, if it isn't too much trouble, taking a snapshot of the settings window for one of your custom resolutions? The one where you enter the H rez, V rez, timings, all of that stuff? Maybe there's something else, other than rez and Hz, that I need to change...



Yeah, TV pricing can be very goofy when it comes to the whole "what it can be advertised at, versus what will they sell it for" thing.

I will say, HDR is the truth. The res bump is nice, but HDR looks absolutely incredible through netflix and amazon. The lighting and color looks, ironically, unbelievably realistic

HDR sounds very promising then. Thing is, my Xbox ONe can't do that, but at least Netflix on the TV has it. But do you need to pay Netflix extra for HDR or will i already have it?


I have a question for two friends of mine....

They want a TV around 600-800 euros. If possible they want both HDR10 and Dolby Vision (how important is the latter though? ) and if possible it should be 100hz. They told me ''I really don't want 50 or 60hz) but how important is that even for them? I am fairly sure their current TVs are definitely 50 or 60hz.

 

[Bustanen]

HDR sounds very promising then. Thing is, my Xbox ONe can't do that, but at least Netflix on the TV has it. But do you need to pay Netflix extra for HDR or will i already have it?

Yes you need to upgrade to the ultra hd subscription for 13 euros.

 

[Madness]

If you think Amazon and Netflix have great HDR. Wait till you actually see UHD discs with HDR.

 

[RedlineRonin]

If you think Amazon and Netflix have great HDR. Wait till you actually see UHD discs with HDR.

I bought planet earth 2 this week cuz it was on sale at BBY. I don't have a 4K player yet (or honestly soon) but I hear it is incredible.

 

[Alexious]

Yet another very positive review for the TLC 4K HDR TV:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/tcl-p-series-tv-review

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

The 28ms input lag for the B6 is with game picture mode enabled i assume, right? And the input remains unchanged and stays at HDMI? With my EC9300 for gaming i always used the game mode and didn't change the input at all, because changing that to PC or Game console would really degrade picture quality.

 

[Yappadappadu]

For native res you are looking at 30ms or so iirc. So yeah it's a 10ms sacrifice for upscaling.


Haven't seen tests for that usecase but I imagine you get a hit for 1440p. Having said that, nVidia has an option to have the card scale if you need so consider using that. For 4K, I say wait for Volta or buy a Titan. My 980Ti holds OK on some games having said that for 4K.

I'll give it a try to see how it looks with my GTX 1080, though I'll probably stay in the LG camp.

The 28ms input lag for the B6 is with game picture mode enabled i assume, right? And the input remains unchanged and stays at HDMI? With my EC9300 for gaming i always used the game mode and didn't change the input at all, because changing that to PC or Game console would really degrade picture quality.

Yes, no renaming or drop down menu use for the HDMI ports required as that that doesn't lower the input lag any further. Switch to game mode in the picture profile menu and you're ready to go.

 

[Bustanen]

If you think Amazon and Netflix have great HDR. Wait till you actually see UHD discs with HDR.

Honestly I'm not too impressed with UHD Blu-rays. Maybe my expectations were too high but my mind is hardly blown. The blacks on my OLED on the other hand...

 

[MazeHaze]

HDR sounds very promising then. Thing is, my Xbox ONe can't do that, but at least Netflix on the TV has it. But do you need to pay Netflix extra for HDR or will i already have it?


I have a question for two friends of mine....

They want a TV around 600-800 euros. If possible they want both HDR10 and Dolby Vision (how important is the latter though? ) and if possible it should be 100hz. They told me ''I really don't want 50 or 60hz) but how important is that even for them? I am fairly sure their current TVs are definitely 50 or 60hz.

You aren't gonna find a good HDR set for that cheap, and no TV is 100hz, but some are 120. Problem is even a native 120hz panel might not accept a 120hz signal, which is only available from a PC anyway. Consoles output at 60hz.

 

[III-V]

Thanks for the tip.

Any suggestions on a meter? Once I get the basics out of the way and a 100+ hours on the display, I will probably attempt a full calibration.

I have an "Xrite i1 Display Pro OEM" that I bought back in 2011. I've used it a few times, but it hasn't been used in at lest three years, so I am afraid it may have drifted. What do you think?

Honestly do not know, some of the older models with certain filters Did drift.

You may be able to send it to someone to get it re-calibrated. I also have an i1 DP but it is less than a year old.

 

[datamage]

Hmmm....

That's why I thought that was weird. Although, in the DF video he links, John acknowledges the Nvidia and AMD tools aren't as up to snuff as they need to be for doing that kind of stuff, so I thought it made sense.

Would you mind, if it isn't too much trouble, taking a snapshot of the settings window for one of your custom resolutions? The one where you enter the H rez, V rez, timings, all of that stuff? Maybe there's something else, other than rez and Hz, that I need to change...

No problem, here you go--

 

[RetroMG]

Came home today with an open box Vizio P-series 55 inch. Holy shit, the picture is gorgeous. I'm going from a 1080p to a 4k with HDR, and I could not be happier. I wasn't thrilled with the Smartcast thing, but I just watched a show on PS Vue on the PS4 Pro and then the same show on the Smartcast app, and the difference was noticeable. So even though it's not my favorite, I'll probably keep doing that.

 

[Gorocketcat]

Honestly I'm not too impressed with UHD Blu-rays. Maybe my expectations were too high but my mind is hardly blown. The blacks on my OLED on the other hand...

No? Planet Earth 2 and The Martian are impossibly pretty.

 

[Bustanen]

No? Planet Earth 2 and The Martian are impossibly pretty.

Planet Earth 2 is a mixed bunch, at times it looks great but you can clearly see there's HD footage in some shots. HDR and 4k are nice and all but I can't really justify the price difference to regular BDs.

 

[RedlineRonin]

No problem, here you go--

Hmmmmmm...

And presumably in the "desktop size and position" section you have scaling set to aspect ratio, perform on gpu instead of display, and the box checked for override application setting?

I've sunk about two hours into this at this point and nothing works. I finally got that custom resolution utility to dump in one or two extra resolutions, tried to select them in Overwatch, and for whatever reason the set flips on HDR because it thinks it's seeing an hdr flag? And everything just goes pink.

Aye yai yai I did not expect this much screwing around.

Thanks for the picture. I'll try that a bit later.

E: yeah I just tried the settings in that picture. Screen just goes black and the no signal screen savers pop up. I wonder if there's something I need to change in the TV itself? I have it set to pc right now with the pc icon.

 

[rocksteady1983]

Yet another very positive review for the TLC 4K HDR TV:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/tcl-p-series-tv-review

I finally got an email from Amazon. Should get mine in between the 15th-19th. I'll report back.

 

[Kadey]

What are the chances of a monitor coming out with HDR, 120+hz, 4k and OLED by September?

 

[Lima]

What are the chances of a monitor coming out with HDR, 120+hz, 4k and OLED by September?

Slim

 

[Chris_Rivera]

Trolls is reference 4k/HDR quality in my opinion, to me PE2 is over saturated. I've heard The Great Wall is very good also. For games, TLoU is my favorite HDR implementation, I'm on my 5th replay it's so good.

65B7 from Costco. It's going back though as there is a slight dark strip down the screen in Hdr game mode.

 

[NavyPharaoh]

I know there's a lot of people who love Plasma TVs. I used to love them too, but with time there was one thing that annoyed me and really made me start looking at other TVs (ahem, LEDs)... which is low brightness. I think only one or two models I saw were bright enough, all the others had really poor brightness... specially for daytime viewing. Is that just me? I agree that Plasmas have a lot of advantages over LEDs but I can't get over their low brightness... I wonder how they'd do in HDR...

Yeah this used to drive me crazy. Best thing about my OLED tv is being able to watch shit in my living room with the windows open again, the glare on Plasmas are insane

 

[DangerMouse]

Awesome, I hope they did the disc well since I just picked up The Great Wall. I enjoyed it in the theater.

 

[Stiler]

Hacksaw Ridge is a great reference disc to use, for both the 4k picture as well as the atmos sound (if you have that).

I would think that both the upcoming Ghost in the Shell 4k and Kong: Skull Island 4k will be reference discs as well, both come out in July.

Since I'm currently out of a 4k tv I think I'm going to pick up the TCL 55" once it shows up on other stores (so I don't have to pay tax like Amazon) and end up giving it to my dad when the 65" comes out late this year.

Glad to hear it is indeed going to be shipping next week to people, hopefully we'll get some good 4k hdr input lag measurements and video reviews on it then.

 

[DangerMouse]

I would think that both the upcoming Ghost in the Shell 4k and Kong: Skull Island 4k will be reference discs as well, both come out in July.

Really looking forward to both of these.

Especially Ghost in the Shell in 4K/HDR.

 

[Kambing]

Trolls is reference 4k/HDR quality in my opinion, to me PE2 is over saturated. I've heard The Great Wall is very good also. For games, TLoU is my favorite HDR implementation, I'm on my 5th replay it's so good.

65B7 from Costco. It's going back though as there is a slight dark strip down the screen in Hdr game mode.

Just as an FYI i would highly recommend checking out a 5% near black slide to check your banding and vignettinf before returning the set... if you only notice a slight dark strip and it is relatively minor that could actually be pretty good for uniformity. Who knows you could already have a pretty good set relative to whats our there...

 

[Insane Metal]

Saw some folks over at AVS Forums saying the picture quality on their KS8000 has improved after the last fw update. Can't wait to install that.

 

[Madness]

Saw some folks over at AVS Forums saying the picture quality on their KS8000 has improved after the last fw update. Can't wait to install that.

I didn't notice any change after 1169. What are they saying improved?

 

[vpance]

Sony is back 😯

Sony Corp.'s resurgence in the premium TV market is starting to threaten the lead enjoyed by South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co. and LG Electronics Inc., industry data showed Sunday.

Data provided by the global market tracker IHS showed that in the first half of this year, Sony accounted for 39 percent of all TVs with a price tag exceeding $1,500, up more than twofold compared with 17.5 percent tallied by the Japanese company in the previous quarter.

In the January-March period, LG's worldwide market share in the upper-end market fell 8 percentage points from the previous quarter to 35.8 percent, placing it second. Samsung trailed at 13.2 percent, after falling 7 percentage points from the October-December period of 2016.

The numbers represent a sharp shift, because only a year ago. Samsung enjoyed a 39.5 percent market share in the premium segment, with LG and Sony trailing at 17.7 percent and 17.5 percent, respectively.

"Samsung's dominance has been shaken by aggressive promotions of organic light-emitting diode TVs by LG and Sony," an industry insider said.

He said that while the two South Korean companies still controlled the ultra-high end TV market, with the unit price of a set topping $2,500, Sony was catching up.

In the ultra-expensive TV areas, LG has ruled supreme this year, with a market share of 40.8 percent in the first quarter, unchanged from a year earlier. Sony's market share jumped 9.8 percentage points to 34.4 percent, while Samsung surrendered 12.4 percentage points to 11 percent.

Among 70-inch TV sets, Samsung held 31.6 percent of the market in the first quarter, with Sony trailing at 26.6 percent. In 2015, the gap stood at more than 20 percentage points.

Industry watchers said to counter Sony's rise, LG and Samsung have both moved into even a more value-added market and have started to improve their marketing efforts.

"South Korean companies are still leading in the cutting-edge TV arena, yet Sony is doing all it can to overtake them. This is making it imperative for Samsung and LG to stay one step ahead of their rival," a consumer electronics expert said. (Yonhap)

 

[Yjynx]

Sony is back 😯

Not really surprise for Samsung. Their 2017 lineup just suckass.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Any other suggestions for picture calibration for the LG B6 OLED other than the Digital Foundry? I tried the settings from DF but I did not like the outcome.

 

[GinoFelino]

Not really surprise for Samsung. Their 2017 lineup just suckass.

Crazy, isn't it? Impossibly bad.

The KS7000 was great value for money. I can't fathom why they overpriced their QLED range by this much.

 

[Lima]

Any other suggestions for picture calibration for the LG B6 OLED other than the Digital Foundry? I tried the settings from DF but I did not like the outcome.

If you didn't like them then you aren't interested in an accurate picture anyway so just set it to whatever looks good to you.

 

[HStallion]

Sony is back 😯

Pretty interesting to see how badly Samsung dropped the ball. It seems they're having issues all over the place these days. Interesting to see it is OLED sets that seem to be making the difference and I wonder if LG can keep the lead in that for the long run.

 

[family_guy]

Crazy, isn't it? Impossibly bad.

The KS7000 was great value for money. I can't fathom why they overpriced their QLED range by this much.

Overpriced and mostly performed worse than their 2016 line. It's a shame because the Tizen apps are pretty good and I like how quickly I can switch between them on my KS8000. It's also cool that if I turn off my TV while it is playing Youtube for example, it would be at the same exact point when I turned it back on. No reloading. I don't like Android TV, but I might get a 2017 Sony TV this year, or a 2016 LG OLED.