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WWDC 2017 |OT| iOS 11, macOS 10.13, watchOS 4 & tvOS 11

Guess Who

Banned
It's a sound played by the speakers, there is no real click. Try the trackpad settings and look for he silent click option.

This is actually not true on the 2016/2017 Pros - there is no speaker click, there is some kind of actual sound being made by the Taptic Engine (and consequently, there is no silent click option).
 

John_B

Member
This is actually not true on the 2016/2017 Pros - there is no speaker click, there is some kind of actual sound being made by the Taptic Engine (and consequently, there is no silent click option).
Interesting change. It makes sense that the clicking sound would change with adjustments to the hardware then.
 
Does it work even if YouTube is in PIP?

Will test when I get home

Edit: Yes it does! As an even further test while a YouTube video was in PIP, I opened up iTunes and started a song, taking an AirPod out paused both the song and the video and resumed both when put back in. Then I took one out, quit iTunes, put it back in, and YouTube in PIP resumed like nothing ever happened

And just for you I downloaded VLC and it doesn't seem to work, but I didn't mess with any setting and didn't use it for very long
 

kingocfs

Member
This is actually not true on the 2016/2017 Pros - there is no speaker click, there is some kind of actual sound being made by the Taptic Engine (and consequently, there is no silent click option).

Yeah, I also saw they got rid of silent click. That's a shame.

I actually do hear a very subtle difference between click settings. I'm sure I'll get used to it.

The keyboard though is much better.
 
Are you saying JPEG is not the default??

I think he just means that it's bound to change over the course of the beta process. Although personally I don't think it should, what's the point of using an inferior format? External services and devices will only see the JPEG version anyway, might as well use the better format IQ/storage wise internally.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
I was watching the John Gruber interview, and a hilarious iOS 11 feature they didn't talk about elsewhere is that when you have multiple devices with Hey Siri, when you trigger the listening command, instead of them all answering in a cacophony, they coordinate with eachother, judging which device is closest to you as well as which device was used most recently, and they perform a vote...

Ok cool, I was wondering exactly that about the Homepod.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
How heavily do you use advanced Excel features? If the answer is "very rarely to never", then sure.

Also bear in mind you have to have Office 365 to use Office on an 10.5" iPad.
Excel's touch UI is an absolute embarrassment compared to Numbers. Obviously Excel is more capable overall, but in just basic navigation and operation of a workbook and sheet I can't believe MS is given a pass on Excel outside of the classic desktop interface.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Unfortunately that's the Apple pricing structure, once you start upgrading a couple things the price skyrockets

Yeah gonna have to mull it over.

Family doesn't need anything crazy powerful, but that screen would be nice to get the 4K model on 21.5".

Still I'm looking at $1500 + tax bare min with the SSD upgrade​.
 

Ambient80

Member
So I’m trying to send feedback via the Feedback app for iOS 11, and it asks if I wanna send feedback on iOS 9 or 10, but not 11 lol.

My issue was it seemed like Touch ID wasn’t as responsive when unlocking the phone. Sometimes I have to hold my finger there and click the home button sometimes several times before it finally opens up. Im on a 6s.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
So I’m trying to send feedback via the Feedback app for iOS 11, and it asks if I wanna send feedback on iOS 9 or 10, but not 11 lol.

My issue was it seemed like Touch ID wasn’t as responsive when unlocking the phone. Sometimes I have to hold my finger there and click the home button sometimes several times before it finally opens up. Im on a 6s.

this dev beta is VERY laggy. definitely file the feedback if you can, but yeah.. everything on my 7 takes like a split second longer now. I've just chalked it up to the general background stuff of the beta hogging resources.
 

Ambient80

Member
this dev beta is VERY laggy. definitely file the feedback if you can, but yeah.. everything on my 7 takes like a split second longer now. I've just chalked it up to the general background stuff of the beta hogging resources.

Yeah that’s what I assumed, as well. Should I just file it under iOS 10 beta and Make clear I’m actually using the iOS 11 beta? Just seemed weird I didn’t have an iOS 11 beta option when filing feedback.


Edit: Spelling, lol.
 
Yeah that’s what I assumed, as well. Should I just file it under iOS 10 beta and Make clear I’m actually using the iOS 11 beta? Just seemed weird I didn’t have an iOS 11 beta option when filing feedback.


Edit: Spelling, lol.

You can send them anonymous phone data with your feedback that lets them see what version of iOS you’re on.

The lag issue was pretty bad with the developer beta of iOS 10 as well. I forget how many betas it took to smooth out, but it happened fairly quickly.
 

giga

Member
Steve Jobs era is officially over.

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No more custom app rating prompts. System app rating dialog only now. Meaning you can disable all rating prompts.

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http://www.appstorereviewguidelineshistory.com/articles/2017-06-08-new-rules-following-wwdc-2017/
 

protonium

Member
Edit: The Logitech Slim Combo 10.5" keyboard case arrived! I have a 9.7" iPad Pro I am using it to type on right now. Obviously the actual case part itself won't fit but since the keyboard uses the Smart Connector and is detachable from the rest of the case I just slapped it right on and here we go!

Is the combo case as thick as it appears in the photos on their site? It almost looked like an otterbox...
 

KdotIX

Member
I don't use it for much at all. My only concern is I'm currently job hunting, and uploading my resume on various sites would be finicky on the iPad, I'd imagine.

I was able to upload my resume using my iPhone on ios10 on most websites.

When I tap the area to initiate upload, iCloud Drive menu slides up and from there I can even select my Google Drive (which is where my resume sits). Select the relevant file then hit that upload button!

So should have no worries doing this on an iPad.
I sold my early 2016 13" rMBP a few months ago, was going to pick up a windows gaming laptop but they're all so ugly and bulky. Then I figured I don't actually do much gaming on the move and I don't want a gimped experience playing my games. Mostly watch Netflix etc. Browse the web. Do some light spreadsheet work and docs work. With these new iPad Pros that's a spot on replacement. So I'm going for it
 
Are you saying JPEG is not the default??

The default is HEIF/HEVC, as it should be

How do you turn off that annoying App Is Using Location notification. It’s killing me!

I don’t know, but I read somewhere that it only exists during the dev beta and it doesn’t actually ship in the final product? At least according to someone about the iOS10 beta. That better be the case, it’s terrible

So I’m trying to send feedback via the Feedback app for iOS 11, and it asks if I wanna send feedback on iOS 9 or 10, but not 11 lol.

My issue was it seemed like Touch ID wasn’t as responsive when unlocking the phone. Sometimes I have to hold my finger there and click the home button sometimes several times before it finally opens up. Im on a 6s.

Are you a registered developer or did you just hop on for fun? I’m not registered and I have the same thing. I’m gonna switch to the public track when that’s available so it knows that I’m supposed to be there

Is the combo case as thick as it appears in the photos on their site? It almost looked like an otterbox...

Doesn’t seems thick at all to me. Obviously I’m talking about just the case itself, since it doesn’t fit on my 9.7” I can’t talk about the whole package until it arrives on Tuesday

When is the 10.5 gonna be available to look at in an Apple Store?

Tuesday (yes I know I answered you in another thread)
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
Really struggling on which computer to get for the wife.

These are my options, all the entry-level 12" Macbook, 256GB model, prices after tax.

Apple Store 2016 Refurb Macbook - $1,118.35
Best Buy 2016 Macbook - $1,207.24
Best Buy 2017 Macbook - $1,316.99
Apple Store 2017 Macbook - $1,370.78

Of course with Best Buy I'd be getting back 5% in store credit rewards, which isn't anything to sneeze at, which is basically $55 on the 2016 model and $60 on the 2017 model.

Of course I could also apply for an Apple credit card and get their rewards, which would get me $25 right away and get me most of the way towards a second $25 gift card.

I guess the big question comes down to whether or not the 2017 updates are worthwhile. That 2016 refurb for $1,118.35 is damn tempting, but if If it's worth the extra $200 to move up to the 2017 model ($140 if you want to account for store rewards) I'll do that instead.

Man this is annoying. And I haven't even thrown in prices from Adorama and B&H Photo or considering going with a 512GB model instead.

Edit: It sill pains me when I see that the 12" Macbooks were on sale for $999 back in January. Gah.
 

Puggles

Member
Really struggling on which computer to get for the wife.

These are my options, all the entry-level 12" Macbook, 256GB model, prices after tax.

Apple Store 2016 Refurb Macbook - $1,118.35
Best Buy 2016 Macbook - $1,207.24
Best Buy 2017 Macbook - $1,316.99
Apple Store 2017 Macbook - $1,370.78

Of course with Best Buy I'd be getting back 5% in store credit rewards, which isn't anything to sneeze at, which is basically $55 on the 2016 model and $60 on the 2017 model.

Of course I could also apply for an Apple credit card and get their rewards, which would get me $25 right away and get me most of the way towards a second $25 gift card.

I guess the big question comes down to whether or not the 2017 updates are worthwhile. That 2016 refurb for $1,118.35 is damn tempting, but if If it's worth the extra $200 to move up to the 2017 model ($140 if you want to account for store rewards) I'll do that instead.

Man this is annoying. And I haven't even thrown in prices from Adorama and B&H Photo or considering going with a 512GB model instead.

Edit: It sill pains me when I see that the 12" Macbooks were on sale for $999 back in January. Gah.


My dad just got a new 2016 Macbook for $950 at Bestbuy a few weeks ago. I'd wait until they go on sale again.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
Do not install this beta on iPhone 6. It's nearly an iPhone 4 / iOS7 situation where the phone is made borderline unusable due to performance degradation. I've disabled the transitions which has helped a little, but still, this is bad. I hope things don't stay this way with future betas, as I kind of need this phone for development as well as for daily use.

Just to illustrate, with the default transitions enabled, it takes about three seconds from pressing the home button, until the app is minimised, then the same amount of time until it's re-opened. I'm talking about the app already loaded, I am just switching in and out of it.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Do not install this beta on iPhone 6. It's nearly an iPhone 4 / iOS7 situation where the phone is made borderline unusable due to performance degradation. I've disabled the transitions which has helped a little, but still, this is bad. I hope things don't stay this way with future betas, as I kind of need this phone for development as well as for daily use.

Just to illustrate, with the default transitions enabled, it takes about three seconds from pressing the home button, until the app is minimised.

they never stay this way. I'm not saying there won't be a performance hit.. but first couple of dev betas have pretty noticeable performance hits. It's usually shortly before the first public beta that performance gets closer to normal.
 

NYR

Member
When is the 10.5 gonna be available to look at in an Apple Store?

My guess is Tuesday since that is when I am getting mine in the mail. It's basically slightly bigger and less bezels, there is a video on youtube showing the 10.5 smart keyboard under a 9.7 ipad Pro, really puts into perspective just how bigger it is, which is slight:

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Kevin

Member
For someone who wants a tablet to use around the house (or in bed browsing and watching videos), which size would you guys recommend? 10.5 or 12.9? This would be replacing my very old iPad 3. I mostly use my iPad for internet, email, pictures, videos, some gaming and app use. Don't take it out much at all.
 

Draper

Member
For someone who wants a tablet to use around the house (or in bed browsing and watching videos), which size would you guys recommend? 10.5 or 12.9? This would be replacing my very old iPad 3. I mostly use my iPad for internet, email, pictures, videos, some gaming and app use. Don't take it out much at all.

Do yourself a favor and dodge the 12.9. It's needlessly large.
 

Draper

Member
I was able to upload my resume using my iPhone on ios10 on most websites.

When I tap the area to initiate upload, iCloud Drive menu slides up and from there I can even select my Google Drive (which is where my resume sits). Select the relevant file then hit that upload button!

So should have no worries doing this on an iPad.
I sold my early 2016 13" rMBP a few months ago, was going to pick up a windows gaming laptop but they're all so ugly and bulky. Then I figured I don't actually do much gaming on the move and I don't want a gimped experience playing my games. Mostly watch Netflix etc. Browse the web. Do some light spreadsheet work and docs work. With these new iPad Pros that's a spot on replacement. So I'm going for it

This is all reassuring. Good deal. Thanks man!
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
leaning toward (by the end of the year) an iMac and a 10.5" iPad. For development I'd love a MacBook Pro instead... but hate that you can only do a dual core in 13". If they had a quad 13" I would do that in a heartbeat. But I should be fine with an iMac for development at home and an iPad for everything else (minus development) while out and about.
 
For someone who wants a tablet to use around the house (or in bed browsing and watching videos), which size would you guys recommend? 10.5 or 12.9? This would be replacing my very old iPad 3. I mostly use my iPad for internet, email, pictures, videos, some gaming and app use. Don't take it out much at all.

12.9" is unwieldly but it's an amazing tablet for reading comics.
 
For someone who wants a tablet to use around the house (or in bed browsing and watching videos), which size would you guys recommend? 10.5 or 12.9? This would be replacing my very old iPad 3. I mostly use my iPad for internet, email, pictures, videos, some gaming and app use. Don't take it out much at all.

Why would you be considering an ipad pro for that use case?
 
For someone who wants a tablet to use around the house (or in bed browsing and watching videos), which size would you guys recommend? 10.5 or 12.9? This would be replacing my very old iPad 3. I mostly use my iPad for internet, email, pictures, videos, some gaming and app use. Don't take it out much at all.

The biggest differentiating factor is going to be the weight. 1.03 pounds versus 1.49 pounds and it makes a surprising amount of difference. Even when just leaving it at home I got sick of holding up the 12.9”, then when I started using it for school is became a hassle to take to campus every day, so I switched to the 9.7” and haven’t regretted it at all

leaning toward (by the end of the year) an iMac and a 10.5" iPad. For development I'd love a MacBook Pro instead... but hate that you can only do a dual core in 13". If they had a quad 13" I would do that in a heartbeat. But I should be fine with an iMac for development at home and an iPad for everything else (minus development) while out and about.

In the future I can see myself not owning a MacBook entirely. I’d have a beefy iMac with an eGPU for games, and use an iPad as my mobile computer. This is something I didn’t think would happen so quickly, yet here we are
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Why would you be considering an ipad pro for that use case?

probably because it's (now) the current one... and an iPad3 is borderline unusable (having gotten rid of mine last year, when it was already borderline unusable)

In the future I can see myself not owning a MacBook entirely. I'd have a beefy iMac with an eGPU for games, and use an iPad as my mobile computer. This is something I didn't think would happen so quickly, yet here we are

I've only ever run a hackintosh exactly because I dislike that on modern iMacs (last few years) you've always been hamstrung in GPU options without going to the 27" (and the cost that came with it). The announcement that High Sierra officially supports eGPUs and the entire(?) current AMD line pushed me over on iMac. Again, I'd love to actually own a quad MBP with an eGPU.. but apple has locked quads out of 13" (likely heat/power)
 
I've only ever run a hackintosh exactly because I dislike that on modern iMacs (last few years) you've always been hamstrung in GPU options without going to the 27" (and the cost that came with it). The announcement that High Sierra officially supports eGPUs and the entire(?) current AMD line pushed me over on iMac. Again, I'd love to actually own a quad MBP with an eGPU.. but apple has locked quads out of 13" (likely heat/power)

There’s word that Coffee Lake cpus could bring quad cores to the 13”, by the way
 

Kevin

Member
Why would you be considering an ipad pro for that use case?

The easy answer is that I like the features of the Pro and I use my old ipad daily so I feel it's money well enough spent. Also like new tech toys as many of you here do.

For me I've been struggling with the decision of which size to get. One one hand the bigger screen would be really nice for video watching as well as video games and other apps that can utilize the bigger screen. My only concern is that I would feel like it's too big. I don't feel that way at all with my ipad 3 and well the dimensions for the 12.9 inch isn't THAT much bigger on paper but it's hard to say. Guess I'm going to need to research this a lot and wait for reviews hit before making my decision.

Also my eyes are not the best and I'm use to my big screen computer monitor (28 inch) and 50 inch 4K tv.
 

jwick

Unconfirmed Member
leaning toward (by the end of the year) an iMac and a 10.5" iPad. For development I'd love a MacBook Pro instead... but hate that you can only do a dual core in 13". If they had a quad 13" I would do that in a heartbeat. But I should be fine with an iMac for development at home and an iPad for everything else (minus development) while out and about.

I don't know what type of development you do, but a dual core shouldn't limit you in general (unless you are compiling huge projects where you know you are going to be CPU bound). Plus you are describing two completely different workflows -- you can only develop when you sit down at your iMac, so the iPad would be mostly a consumption device. As long as that works for you it's fine but I've tried that and always come back to a MBP (either a 15 or now a 13) as it fits how I work better.
 

Mr Swine

Banned
Do not install this beta on iPhone 6. It's nearly an iPhone 4 / iOS7 situation where the phone is made borderline unusable due to performance degradation. I've disabled the transitions which has helped a little, but still, this is bad. I hope things don't stay this way with future betas, as I kind of need this phone for development as well as for daily use.

Just to illustrate, with the default transitions enabled, it takes about three seconds from pressing the home button, until the app is minimised, then the same amount of time until it's re-opened. I'm talking about the app already loaded, I am just switching in and out of it.


Isn't this always the thing with first betas on the older phones?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
The easy answer is that I like the features of the Pro and I use my old ipad daily so I feel it's money well enough spent. Also like new tech toys as many of you here do.

For me I've been struggling with the decision of which size to get. One one hand the bigger screen would be really nice for video watching as well as video games and other apps that can utilize the bigger screen. My only concern is that I would feel like it's too big. I don't feel that way at all with my ipad 3 and well the dimensions for the 12.9 inch isn't THAT much bigger on paper but it's hard to say. Guess I'm going to need to research this a lot and wait for reviews hit before making my decision.

Also my eyes are not the best and I'm use to my big screen computer monitor (28 inch) and 50 inch 4K tv.


Well would the 'new ipad' for almost half the price of the 10.5 be an option? Personally the lack of laminated screen would be enough to put me off and if you can afford a pro then do it.

I'm wondering about a 12.9 (maybe a used or refurb OG to save money?) I only use my 9.7" pro at home on my lap or on the folded Smart Cover to browse the Internet or watch video, and the equivalent of a 13" TV sounds pretty good
 

SnakeXs

about the same metal capacity as a cucumber
Been deeply considering foregoing an upgrade to my long in the tooth MBP for an iPad Pro. The MBP will be there when I need it, and I'm picturing the potential of going more or less all in on the Pro. Lots of thinking between now and the time they'll be available in stores to touch and feel and compare the 2 sizes.

On another note, is the AR demo in the iOS 11 dev build?
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
In that case you might be fine. Office 365 is Microsoft's Office subscription services. Some schools might give you an Office 365 sub for free, but some schools just give you a standalone Office version (which won't work for this).

You might also just consider using Pages and Keynote, if possible, which don't cost a dime.

Standalone office works fine with iOS Excel.
365 subscription not needed.

All my documents are saved to OneDrive on my computer, and iOS just grabs them from there.
 

Enzom21

Member
So, syncing messages to iCloud allows you to restore your messages if you restore and setup as a new device.
Much needed feature.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
So, syncing messages to iCloud allows you to restore your messages if you restore and setup as a new device.
Much needed feature.
Does it sync SMS green bubble friend messages too or just blue iPhone friends?

And does it sync them up to the cloud on first install or does it only sync new ones from this point forward?
 
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