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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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Maybe, but exposure is exposure.
J_ToSaveTheDay
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Yeah, I remember having to explain to an All Lives Matter friend of mine why it was pretty inconsiderate. It was similar to this comic, basically tried to explain that, say, someone just suffered a home invasion (or any crisis, really) and arrives at their neighbor's doorstep to seek help. The neighbor opens the door, hears out the situation, takes stock of his own environment, and then dismisses the person seeking help because everything is fine at that house.
"Black Lives Matter" is meant to say that "black people are suffering through a crisis that they wish to be recognized." "All Lives Matter" is saying "I don't see the problem, I'm fine and I think you're fine, too." Dismissive in the face of another's adversity, either out ignorance, fear, malice, or any combination.
EDIT: it's the same thing as taking feminism to not be a movement that is striving for egalitarianism as this game creator has repeatedly done in the past. Feminism rose and sustains because women are, in some ways, not at all treated on equal footing with men in society. To claim that egalitarianism is the answer, and not feminism, is basically taking stock of one's own male privilege without recognizing it as privilege, and then concluding that feminism must be inherently wrong for suggesting that things aren't already equal.
Sure. Hence, why I said it was hard to say.
Stead Fast
Banned
Well this certainly passed me by. And now that I think on it, both that episode of the IT Crowd, plus the gay theatre one did always rub me up the wrong way.
it'll probably collapse the production and cause the game to never happen
Jason's Ultimatum
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An artist may be one thing, but the actual political belief IN the game? Am I correct? Good lord. Don't buy the game. Who gives a shit if you really want to play it. There are so many other games out there to enjoy and look forward to. Missing out on one game isn't going to kill you.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I really don't care what this guy said. If he makes great games and the game is awesome, I'll get it. People change as well as opinions.
BronsonLee
Member
Has dude still not responded about this?
Look at my last post ... he said he changed.
But saying that you changed WAY easier than actually changing
More_Badass
Member
I dont know about that. Like Mel Gibson is a racist asshole, but I still enjoy Hacksaw Ridge, Braveheart, and Apocalypto.
The thing here isn't just that the views of the creator are fucked up, it's that those views form the foundation of the story, the world, etc. You can't separate the art from the artist here because the artist is the art, down to "feminism ruined society" is/was the backstory of the world and wanting to put "Vivian James" in as a character
And in such a narrative driven genre as this, that's a death blow for interest
I don't want to give money to a person that has shown sexist and transphobic views. It's that simple.
It might be interesting to engage in media that shows a ridiculous ideology to see how they try to portrait it but I'm not going to spend money there when there are other games more deserving made by better people.
kitsunelaine
Banned
He also made up words without defining what they mean, so you know he's changed just by how vague he's being.
Admiral Woofington
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He said the game no longer has anything to do with the original ideas he had and that he has done a lot of growing since those tweets. That's basically it.
Never say never but I'd say the odds of that are very small.
He totally changed since people found out he's a shitbag. The game too, don't worry everybody. It's completely okay to buy now. Because he said so, and he's all about ethics in harassing women online.
Messofanego
Banned
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets
https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496
I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed
This should be in the OP as an update along with Raw Fury's statement:
Idle Thumbs: https://www.idlethumbs.net/forums/topic/9728-cyberpunk-cop-killah-aka-the-last-night/#comment-324625
Yeah, we'll see in the final game how the themes play out. The game is still on my radar. The only games I couldn't touch were Hatred and I wasn't wrong on missing out on that. We'll see if this improves or not.
Muffin1611
Banned
The dude tweeted that he changed since the gamergate tweets
https://twitter.com/timsoret/status/874112392967274496
I will give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I will need more than 3 tweets to be sure that he REALLY changed
He says he changed in the last years completely disregarding that he made posts about the gender spectrum being identity politics two months ago
BRSxIgnition
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He's still posting ignorant shit this year, so really, I don't know what they're trying to protect by blatantly lying and saying "oh he changed years ago!"
Poodlestrike
Banned
While I'm glad to see that he's apparently recanted his anti-feminist stance, I'm not seeing a lot of action surrounding that change.
Gonna take a wait and see approach to see how much of the (deeply awful) 2014 pitch is still in. If it's gone, then yeah, I could see myself picking it up even if I disagree with some of its other themes. Anti equality isn't a position worth engaging with, though. Any of the gamergate shit left means an automatic hard pass.
Gonna take a wait and see approach to see how much of the (deeply awful) 2014 pitch is still in. If it's gone, then yeah, I could see myself picking it up even if I disagree with some of its other themes. Anti equality isn't a position worth engaging with, though. Any of the gamergate shit left means an automatic hard pass.
This should be in the OP as an update along with Raw Fury's statement:
Yeah, we'll see in the final game how the themes play out. The game is still on my radar. The only games I couldn't touch were Hatred and I wasn't wrong on missing out on that. We'll see if this improves or not.
Reads like, "we are economically invested in this game o shit o shit please internet buy our game even though it's made by someone that we now realize is problematic"
Best case scenario is that is isn't no longer sexist, just transphobic.
That's a terrible best case scenario.
I try not to give money to shitty people and I'll continue to do so with this dude. Sure, some people might be shitty and I don't know or whatever but I do what I can.
The thing is, if you genuinely do separate the creator and the creation, you're probably the type of person to type up a post like you just did and acknowledge that it's a questionable thing. That's the reasonable reaction.
It's people who drive-by post "I don't care, I'm going to buy the game" and then respond to the effect "lol who cares?" to other posts that carry the iffy implication. It's denial implying agreement, not acknowledgement of a nuanced issue.
They are trying to protect their money.
BRSxIgnition
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Which is sad because it only takes 2 minutes to see the ignorant stuff he posted as little as a few months ago.
Jeez. Last time I remember something like this was in Call of Duty WWII thread.
People think different. Also I thought all opinions matter. If someone wants to tell the story, it's your right to not listen to it.
Stop screaming DON'T SUPPORT THIS ASSHOLE just because you personally do not agree with him.
Also as someone told before - game's not out. Maybe the story changed, and if not, then let the guy tell his tale.
Best game of Microsoft's presser for me. Double dipping when it's out on PS4.
People think different. Also I thought all opinions matter. If someone wants to tell the story, it's your right to not listen to it.
Stop screaming DON'T SUPPORT THIS ASSHOLE just because you personally do not agree with him.
Also as someone told before - game's not out. Maybe the story changed, and if not, then let the guy tell his tale.
Best game of Microsoft's presser for me. Double dipping when it's out on PS4.
And yet the writer said the game won't be toothless and cover both sides. Sounds like the game still involves all of the themes he said it did initially.
kitsunelaine
Banned
That's quite a turn of phrase there.
It's a useful initial defense against people who decide not to support the game.
Person 1: "ew he was GG and is putting that shit in the game, miss me"
GGer: "my god he already recanted and is making the game about inclusiveness and equality here are the tweet goooood"
People are free to shout DON'T SUPPORT THIS ASSHOLE and people are free to shout the opposite. That's freedom of speech, baby. You can make your own mind up.
Graham Linehan has always been a massive prick. He's really invasive and will never accept that he's in the wrong at certain times.
He's one of those liberal dudes who thinks they're helping by being really rude and condescending but really aren't. The more people in SocJus crowds that start calling him out, the better.
Muffin1611
Banned
Opinions that deny people equal rights DO NOT MATTER. I will scream "Don't support this asshole" all day if I want to. Why are YOU trying to discourage us from that if we want to? I thought ALL opinions matter?
The dev is not entitled to any money or platform whatsoever. I will firmly discourage to give him those.
We've really come full circle with this "all lives matter" and "egalitarianism ftw" bullshit.
benicillin
Banned
Buying into a hate movement literally dedicated towards harassing, intimidating, doxxing and threatening the same women in the industry that Microsoft Game Studios and Bioware regularly champion, who this dev shared a stage with, is not "being naive" or "just an opinion."
Get outta here Raw Fury.
Get outta here Raw Fury.
Absoludacrous
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You shouldn't be too surprised by someone who can't wait to support the game twice over.
It looks great, but I'm not expecting great social or political commentary from someone who thinks that the real racism is people calling out racism. Maybe I would if I was still in middle school.
From what I've seen this is mostly (solely?) dialog/narrative-based, so that commentary is going to be the whole game. I was keeping a tab on this before, but after all this came out, it's not even boycotting, I'm just not interested anymore (but I will keep an eye on it in case the recent statement is sincere).
From what I've seen this is mostly (solely?) dialog/narrative-based, so that commentary is going to be the whole game. I was keeping a tab on this before, but after all this came out, it's not even boycotting, I'm just not interested anymore (but I will keep an eye on it in case the recent statement is sincere).
game isn't out, hasn't played it, it hasn't been reviewed yet and brehs already talkin' about double dipping.
we see you 😁
Finale Fireworker
Member
Ah, of course. I am in the wrong. It is okay to enable somebody who believes women are not equal to men. Fostering and aligning with hostility and harassment against women is merely an opinion I should respect.
Thank you, sincerely, for helping me realize how selfish I was being. I need to be open to the other people's ideas. Thank you so much. I will be sure to deeply consider the idea that women should stay in their place and should be whipped back when they get uppity. There is no reason for people to collectively push back against this ideology because everybody is entitled to their opinion and opinions don't actually impact other people's lives in a meaningful way.
God, thank you so much, I can't believe I didn't think critically about this before you got here. It's totally fun and cool to support other people's opinions. I am so extremely stupid and you are extremely smart and woke.
The artist is the art here so you were correct the first time.
Charles Brandon
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Here is where I am. If the game comes out on Xbox and the word is that it is as good as it looks and the story/theme doesn't have any obvious overtones, then I will probably get it if comes to another platform. I don't really give two shits about someone's personal opinion if it has nothing to do with his product. EDIT: Within reason anyway
If the word comes down that story/theme does indeed have something obnoxious to say about feminism or whatever, then I'm out. I have no interest in playing a GG parable.
If the word comes down that story/theme does indeed have something obnoxious to say about feminism or whatever, then I'm out. I have no interest in playing a GG parable.
BRSxIgnition
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It is about the game.
It goes past being a thinkpiece when you create a piece of media to push your own ignorant views on others. That's borderline propaganda.
It does. It has everything to do with it.
Yeah , the publisher calling it "naive viewpoints" is not exactly calling them wrong
TheOnlyMook
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Edit: I'm an idiot who didn't dig deep enough into this insanity. Please ignore
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