I don't know about jeuxvideo.com but this guy isn't part of the alt right.
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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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Esepcialyl in this era where apologizes are pretty worthless
The latter part very much felt like he was saying "HAHA you are going to flip out when you see how we're being transgressive in our game".
I mostly came away from the Medium article thinking that these were all interesting issues that I would like to see handled in fiction. But that they are probably being handled by the wrong people.
Nah, I have never had a rant about hating woman so much I make a game about it
Sun Bather
Member
God this game looks fucking great. Don't even care if it ends up being bad, if it has that kind of visual quality all the way through, that's enough for me.
Have you complained about women being too lazy to birth babies?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I missed the segment. Did he say anything about the themes of the game?
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Deleted member 286591
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I agree, I'm not debating the gravity of one's words of actions (and I'm certainly not trying to say everything is relative and equal because it's just not). I'm just saying, maybe going extreme and vindicative on his ass isn't the best thing to do either... I don't know, seems to me that going all "yeaaaah good try ! fuck you still" really leads nowhere. You know hatred breeds even more hatred, and as cliché as it is it's still very true.
Muffin1611
Banned
If pretty much perfect means I never was part of a sexist hate campaign or made transphobic tweets two months ago, then yeah, I'm pretty much perfect
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Deleted member 22576
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Yeah, him pointing to the medium article as a way of explaining seems like a pretty clear misdirection. He just basically outlines what "post-cyberpunk" is. Has no relation to the shit he's been tweeting.
Frozenprince
Banned
I don't hate this guy.
I think his apology was a giant nothing of an apology, and it was. As I said, my son does this all the time. He gets a pass because he's a child, this is a grown ass man.
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Deleted member 286591
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I was talking more about those "this scumbag of a human being" type reactions. That's it, that's all I'm saying. The fact that internet always brings those very extreme, black and white reactions. Even if this guy's feminist agenda and whatever opinions are extreme, it doesn't mean you HAVE to reply or react the same way. But that's what internet does, always and it gets tiring really. That's all I'm talking about. And in this every thread (that I'm not even gonan bother replying to), there are already 2-3 posts of people doing exactly that, proving my point perfectly and even going all "of you mad" or "seems personal to you *wink wink". I mean come on now... This is why I had this account for a few years and barely posted anything.
Anyway, nevermind. Just forget it.
Muffin1611
Banned
This belongs in the OP, tbh.
AtomskEater
Member
People aren't accepting his apology because he still openly held the same beliefs up until this year. We have receipts. The only thing he learned is not to use GG hashtags at the end of each tweet.
I'd love to believe he's changed and the game will hold none of that philosophy or themes he previously said it would have, because frankly it looks really nice. But at the end of the day I'm not going to die if I choose not to give $20 to someone I believe is just apologizing because it's going to affect his bottom line.
MadLaughter
Member
So, the potential responses when life hits you this way, from worst to least worst:
-Do Nothing
-Double Down
-Hollow/Insincere/Fake Apology
-Genuine Heartfelt Apology
This seems somewhere between the last two. It seems like they KINDA are sorry for some of the more drastic things they've said, but still aren't totally there on a lot of things based on recent stuff people have found.
I'm glad they didn't do the first two, at least?
-Do Nothing
-Double Down
-Hollow/Insincere/Fake Apology
-Genuine Heartfelt Apology
This seems somewhere between the last two. It seems like they KINDA are sorry for some of the more drastic things they've said, but still aren't totally there on a lot of things based on recent stuff people have found.
I'm glad they didn't do the first two, at least?
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
What a shit show...
tearsintherain
Member
Visually the game looks absolutely stunning, and was probably one of the standouts at the EA conference for me. Really got a huge blade runner vibe from it. I don't play a whole lot of indie games and dislike the 8-bit stylings so this one may not be for me, but I've added it to my wish list on steam. Kinda weird its not coming out for PS4.
Just reading the steam page, there isn't anything about a political view one way or the other in the description. Don't really care what a creators personal views are, either the game is good or it isn't.
Just reading the steam page, there isn't anything about a political view one way or the other in the description. Don't really care what a creators personal views are, either the game is good or it isn't.
harriet the spy
Member
I might read this wrong but I don't think he meant that she deserves to be judged but rather than not so long ago - she would have been. If that's the point, I'm not sure what's so wrong about it - it certainly seems that sex work is more socially acceptable than it used to be.
Frozenprince
Banned
If he's really sorry he needs to do more.
Thats it, that's entirely it.
Thats it, that's entirely it.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The thing is: this type of guy shouldn't get a platform. The publisher and Microsoft should NOT have let this game slip by. Now the damage is done, and a game about how progressivism destroyed society is out there for thousands of people to read about. I couldn't care less about him, but I most definitely will fight against what he represents.
Frozenprince
Banned
You aren't excited to rehash the same nonsense GG talking points (and making Zoe Quinns life hell again for a week or two for no real reason other than they're angry)?
Can't say I have man, you?
Bye, take it to another forum if you want validation.
fuck no. I have lots of "old friends" IRL that I don't talk anymore because of this. Such a tiring subject.
CannonFodder52
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I heard they are somehow twisting this to accuse her of intentionally drawing drama, to sell her new book.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think boycotting a game, because of the ideals they represent, and ruining, harassing someone because she has a pussy is way different.
i don't think posting on neogaf is being extreme or vindictive. it's not like i'm harassing him in the manner of something like, i don't know, gamergate. before his on stage "sorry" he could have apologized. did he? nope. he posted what seems to be a combative tweet followed by a bunch of deflections away from his past behavior. so sorry if his apology that you put a lot of weight in rings hollow for some.
Even if he contributed just a few tracks...
Before I was "Mh, maybe I'll give this a try down the line", but if the game ends up having an "all-star" soundtrack à-la Furi I'll be there D1.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
"Hey why is that Last Night thread so long, wait, Milkshake Duck, what in the world?""
*clicks thread*
*clicks thread*
Jesus christ...fuck this game.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Oh. Microsoft's not actually publishing this though are they?
She's in Microsoft Studios Publishing.
This cracked me up.
Well, if you put it that way...
Wow, suddenly lost all interest in this game.
Aenima
Member
The game was shown in Microsoft conference. Was tagged as being Launch exclusive witch means it can land on PS4 later. But as for now the game is only confirmend to Xbox, Win10 and steam.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
I would imagine that would put you in the minority, it matters quite a lot to a great deal of consumers. All good.
lmao.
freethought
Member
Are Kotaku still banned? I'm way out of the loop. Either way they just published an article about it.
cartographer
Member
I'm sorry people noticed my support of a bigoted and coordinated online harassment campaign. Please ignore and buy my game.
Actually doing a gesture, beyond just apologetic words, that shows you're of a different mindset is pretty much the only way of actually redeeming yourself from something like this to me. They've contributed ammunition to the GGers, who are rallying around this game to make a point, so they need to take it away. Either by actively distancing themselves from anything GG, making some sort of donation, or some other proactive measurement to show where they stand. What they've done is worth next to nothing. Of course, they're not going to do that, because it is not what they believe in. They just want people to buy their game.
I know when you're a member of a certain class, it's somehow easier to empathize with people that haven't been disenfranchised over people who have. In fact, it comes naturally. We're pack animals, we stay in our pack. We readily relate to people who look like us.
If you don't understand why some people's reactions in this situation seem "black and white" to you, you need to do the work to educate yourself about their perspective, not just your own.
Thank you for this.
Nope, fuck this guy. The apology is pointless when a) he has made shitty comments recently and b) stated the entire background for the game is a world in which "feminism won and erased genders."
No.
Ye was thinking of a Furi like quality soundtrack for this game, excited to hear more stuff then
No, should i feel so smug about that?
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Yikes, did not see all that coming.
I mean the game looked cool i guess
I mean the game looked cool i guess
The game looks incredible, pretty much the most atmospheric and good looking game of the E3 so far and that with a pixel-look.
Regarding the theme of the game I am fascinated that the criticism went to comments against the modern, mostly radical feminism instead of the automatism and universal income. It's somehow funny that the description says that people are defining themselves more about consume instead of what they create even though that's basically what happens for aeons now, because most of the working parts of society is not creating anything and even if they do, it's not because they want to but because they must. Instead the whole discussion went to feminism even though Tim Soret makes it clear that he is an egalitarian, which is, contrary to feminism, non-sexist by definition.
Regarding the theme of the game I am fascinated that the criticism went to comments against the modern, mostly radical feminism instead of the automatism and universal income. It's somehow funny that the description says that people are defining themselves more about consume instead of what they create even though that's basically what happens for aeons now, because most of the working parts of society is not creating anything and even if they do, it's not because they want to but because they must. Instead the whole discussion went to feminism even though Tim Soret makes it clear that he is an egalitarian, which is, contrary to feminism, non-sexist by definition.
Frozenprince
Banned
Apologize to Zoe Quinn.
Then I'll buy in. Until then, anything else is hollow.
Then I'll buy in. Until then, anything else is hollow.
Fuck this guy.
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