AHA-Lambda
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PSY・S;240292493 said:Probably not.
can't see anything in that pic?
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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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can't see anything in that pic?
Not saying this guy is Picasso neither. Yesterday was the first time I saw this game, and truly amazed me. Thats why I came to this thread on first place.
Easy, easy Im not defendig his ideas or shitting on yours. Just gave my opinion.
More_Badass
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This is different from those examples. In those, the person were simply involved in the art or made art that was separate thematically from their actions. Here, the person is injecting their own beliefs and ideology into the game and building the world and story around those beliefs.
One of those things is not like the others.... But really, like, holy shit, comparing sexual assault to being a communist is just so messed up.
There's a "Swamp Food" sign on the right. Seems to be a theme.
Or maybe 'Swamp" is referring to the "Deep State" Swamp lmao
Right, right. So we can't hold people to a higher standard now or?
Muffin1611
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Well, we don't call people God Emperor for one
JetSetRadio
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Looks pretty cool, will keep an eye on this.
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Fucking hell. Was this supposed to calm me?
From that article:
(emphasis mine)We eventually forgot were living in the future, because the amazing tech became invisible to us. Think about how many concepts and pieces of tech from this photo you would have to explain to someone from 100 years ago:
A woman who makes a very good living making porn, who is not shunned because of it, lying in a machine designed to change the colour of her skin using precisely tuned energy emissions, showing off the highly refined silicone in her augmented breasts, taking and sharing a photo of herself to a social network for her fans, writing with hashtag & mentions, on a massively powerful handheld computer capable of taking pictures & sending them wirelessly to the whole world at the touch of a fingertips.
Yes this is indeed a person who I trust when it comes depictions of
However that blogpost did in fact provide some clarity. It is now beyond clear that they are asshats.
How About No
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https://twitter.com/BAKKOOONN/status/874088860669550592
All distributors should have this on the product page.
lol that's great
"when u realize what ur looking at is so, SO wrong but ur boner's not going away" is what that Farley gif means to me
Honest question... dont you think most artists inject their own beliefs on their creations? Im sure most of them do that.
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Not at all. I admit that I'm heavily flawed, in addition to being largely powerless. That's exactly why it's so important to me that when I am able to do something to actually do that something. Those chances don't come around that often (and when they do, we often don't know about them), so when a chance comes around that we're both aware of and actually able to do something about, that's when it's particularly critical that we speak up and do something. As if we don't raise our voices then, then when?
And if you truly want to contend that none of this matters at all, then if anything that makes the way we each choose to react even more revelatory, not less. As what's a better mark of a man than how he chooses to act and conduct himself when there's no pressure either way? Anyone can act tough and say this or that when the pressure's on, but when it's not? That's when a person's true character shows.
But like I said, I'm by no means perfect or holy. Far from it. Which is just more reason to me to try the best person I possibly can be when I get the chance, not less. But that's just the opinion of a flawed young man. Take it for what you will.
I don't think Americans know anything about communism outside of the Soviet hyperbole tbh.
Muffin1611
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Oh my lord.
They'd probably explode if people told them that 'communism' itself was never achieved in a state
lol, for real.
mightynine
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NSFW warning - that link has a topless photo in it.
And that post has quite happily confirmed this game is something I want nothing to do with.
Hell, I skip the Godfather now
Normally I'm the type that can separate the art from the artist, I did so with both Ender's Game and Shadow Complex. However the premise of this game seems to be tied to this guy's ideology which is likely a deal breaker for me, but I will hold judgement for when the final product is out and I can read some impressions on it. Either way my hype is really deflated for this one.
I'll be honest, I'm not too familiar with the work of Picasso. However, from skimming through the Wikipedia page about the Guernica, it seems it was a piece created in response to the bombing of the village Guernica in Spain by Nazi Germany and Italian fascists. I think there's a difference between supporting communist dictatorships and standing against nazi fascism. If the piece was about the former I'd have a difficult time loving a piece of art about it if I was an anti-communist, the latter seems like something most reasonable people could stand for.
Absolutely, I love Picasso's work, and Guernica is by far one of the most incredible creations ever made by a human being. My point there was that most artists represent their ideology on their creations.
More_Badass
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Sure. But those beliefs and works don't tend to be outwardly racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc and explicitly designed around racist/sexist/misogynistic/etc ideas, plots, characters, and so on. And if they are, you can bet there would be as much criticism about those works as there is hereHonest question... dont you think most artists inject their own beliefs on their creations? Im sure most of them do that.
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See the recent resurgence in criticism and spreading of awareness about the book, The Camp of the Saints
Thanks, Ill take a look at that book.
Im not into the gamergate thing, but obviously seeing reactions looks its a very hot subject on this forum, and probably the rest of videogame industry as well.
ipukespiders
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Agreed. It wouldn't have even been on my radar otherwise. Looks like a must buy.
Okay? I don't see how that point contradicts why so many people aren't buying this game. It represents some pretty despicable beliefs to us, especially about women. I can buy a game from a creator with views who don't agree with mine and that seeps into the work in a way that isn't really morally wrong (in my opinion), I can't buy a game from a creator with immensely terrible views that completely seep into the work.
"yes, women are just deserving of respect and justice as men, but have you considered the perspective that women are subhuman and don't deserve equal rights?" #makesyouthink #2deep4me
They have gone full "Alternative Facts".
old manatee
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This gamergate chump is totally like Picasso.
I like how you can see the narrative changing as the story develops.
Now its "oh gee all this backlash is only going to make it MORE popular! Thanks feminists lol cucked"
Won't mean shit when MS drops em
You remember when Picasso called Zoe Quinn a cunt? Classic Picasso.
Not into the gamergate thing or don't know what gamergate is?
Bloodporne
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There are of course tiers to all of this. Imagine if you have a movie about a white-nationalist gang murdering and torturing people of color.Even if thats the premise you would expect vastly different results if it was written and directed by lets say a person of color, a vanilla white person and a white-supremacist person.
Its impossible to pretend that the creators viewpoint wont come through their art. It is also dependent on how they wish to express themselves.
Lady Siara
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Oof, I guess I was naive thinking that he had changed and it seems the writer shares similar beliefs. Seems safe to assume that the game has not changed either unfortunately.
My hope for this game is dwindling.
Can you honestly say you read that entire post, and the only thing you can come away is this relatively disingenuous reading of a single line?
Relative to how pornographers were treated 100 years ago (thrown in jail), they lead pretty decent lives now.
"yes, women are just deserving of respect and justice as men, but have you considered the perspective that women are subhuman and don't deserve equal rights?" #makesyouthink #2deep4me
Lol, so their defense now is that their game is so vapid it will have no message, because that is the true measure of quality! Because we have no agenda, which is apparently how pretty much everyone on our team ended up coincidentally buying into the same agenda in our very private lives which will in no way affect our game, which we swear is devoid of meaningful content, despite our earlier statements to the contrary about its anti-progressive themes.
Like, I would rather they just own up and make something openly conservative instead of pretending at neutrality.
The guys who have a history of going off on internet-boy screeds about the evil of feminism don't really get the benefit of the doubt around being creeps when their first thoughts on how the world has changed from the past revolve around pornography.
NoblesseOblige
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'will not have an agenda'
Wait so it's not cyberpunk now? Or does the writer not know what punk means.
cubicle47b
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I read the medium article and don't see any issues with it. The part someone quoted was highlighting differences between now and a hundred years ago.
I have heard and saw gamergate posts here, but never participate on them. I dont know what gamergate is at all.
Yes I read all of the pseudo intellectual posturing which constituted that article.
And it's not a "relatively disingenuous reading", it is my earnest bewilderment at how someone can write that "women who act in pornographic films aren't shunned these days". Anyone who writes that is an idiot.
This is totally believable, and I'm serious when I say that, so I'm not trying to be glib or sarcastic here.
But living inside this bubble someone saying "I don't know what gamer gate is at all" in 2017 is like, mind fucking blowing to me.
Except that it doesn't revolve around pornography? That tweet is part of a larger point about technology and taboos, which is a section of a still larger article about technology's effect on humanity.
Foxy the Fox
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The game looks fun and visually stimulating.
If it has a nice story I am probably gonna be there day 1.
If it has a nice story I am probably gonna be there day 1.
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