Lol, yeah I guess. But as an 8-bit lover as well, the result of the debate doesnt really matter much for me in the end.
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Lol, yeah I guess. But as an 8-bit lover as well, the result of the debate doesnt really matter much for me in the end.
Thanks!
socksfelloff
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Pardon my indiscretions.
Also, wouldn't it be just as debatable to call it 8-bit?
D.Lo
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PumpkinSpice
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Also, wouldn't it be just as debatable to call it 8-bit?
You'd be correct to call it 8-bit, you'd be tricked by stupid marketing from the early 90s to call it 16-bit.
Laevateinn
Member
The irony is that Sega started the whole thing but it would have been just as accurate to call the Genesis 32 bit since internally, the 68000 had a 32 bit bus and did some operations in 32 bits.
It was very popular in France (with Ubisoft importing them and modifying them for use in France and Belgium)
Edit : But then again, anything from Japan is super popular in France and has been for the past 3 decades at the very least.
It had some alright games. I loved the 3D0 long-boxes. The market was so saturated at the time, it never stood a chance.
That's interesting. I when I was 13 I worked in a video store part time that had 3D0's for rent. I used to take home left over inventory to play after the store closed. I recall the 'Demolition Man' game being kinda cool at the time. While the system was neat, even at the time I felt like it lacked identity. Most of the games could be found on other platforms it felt like. Even then, I didn't quite understand the incentive anyone would have to choose it over the competition.
It came out almost two years before the PSOne and Saturn in the US, there was nothing like it at the time.
While people played Mario Kart, we were playing Crash'n'Burn. The Horde was fun, same with Total Eclipse (which was prety impressive at the time).
Also the 3Do, on a hardware/OS level had tons of identity. RJ Mical designed one of the most advamced OSes at the time, a clear evolution of Amiga OS on many points.
Shin Johnpv
Member
The interface unit is probably a little less or maybe equal to a Duo. The Duo R/RXs are the most reliable.
If you have the right encoder chip in your 3DO you can set it to output 240p. I believe most if not all the games are actually rendered in 240p and then interlaced. No fucking clue why they did this. The main batch of them that went out I believe had an encoder that could be set to 240p. Later batches had a different encoder chip, and unfortunately no one has managed to find a data sheet for it to see if a similar mod could be done.
davidwhangchoi
Member
hey retroGAF, speaking of 3ds i grabbed a ds title that i heard about but never played:
Bah, just spent 2 days re-doing my entire gaming and retro setup and I'm getting weird issues with my Genesis through RGB to Framemeister. The picture spazzes out every ~10 seconds, the color looks muted and the sound is off. Kind of irritating since I don't really have a good way to troubleshoot this, since it could be the genesis itself (mine has always had weird issues since I was a kid), the SCART cable, or even the SCART splitter I'm using. But I don't have another genesis or SCART cable to test with, and getting a new one of either would be pricey for something that might not fix the issue, I don't have any other cables to test the genesis with, and testing the splitter involves un-doing a lot of my work setting up all my other stuff. Ah well, prob gonna leave it for a bit since I very rarely play my genesis anyway, everything else works perfectly so at least I'm happy with that. It is surprisingly complicated to get a setup working where all retro and modern consoles feed into one TV properly, especially with modern TVs coming with only 1 or 2 HDMI inputs these days.
Also random aside, but I'm not really sure how the Framemesiter works with HDMI input, can I use it as a pass-thru for a "modern" system? For example, have my Xbox 360 go into the framemesiter's HDMI in and just pass the signal via HDMI out to my TV? Or does the Framemeister always do some kind of processing that you can't disable that would make this non-optimal? (I'm OK with some added input lag). I almost never play my 360 anyway but I want it hooked up anyway and I'm one HDMI input short for my setup.
Also random aside, but I'm not really sure how the Framemesiter works with HDMI input, can I use it as a pass-thru for a "modern" system? For example, have my Xbox 360 go into the framemesiter's HDMI in and just pass the signal via HDMI out to my TV? Or does the Framemeister always do some kind of processing that you can't disable that would make this non-optimal? (I'm OK with some added input lag). I almost never play my 360 anyway but I want it hooked up anyway and I'm one HDMI input short for my setup.
Too many of the titles were PC CD-Rom ports or ported to PC. Many of the other games (especially the FMV-centric stuff) could be found on the Sega CD. There were only about a dozen games released in North America before 1994, and the Saturn and Playstation were already on peoples' minds. There were a few original titles, but obviously not enough to sustain it. It was a neat piece of hardware though.
I see, thanks!
RadarScope1
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I bought a 3DO in 1994. It was rad at first, but the comment about lacking identity is spot-on. I owned SSFT2T, Road Rash and a couple other games but as soon as the Playstation was announced and the launch lineup in Japan was reported on in US magazines, the 3DO died in my eyes. It didn't have that first-party punch or any great exclusives. Good hardware and an interesting concept but it really showed me that first-party support has always been the major factor behind successful hardware. That maxim holds true today.
ARMS is fucking AMAZING! I have been playing it all day today and it's surprisingly deep. It feels like an old school fighter too after you really understand the controls and move sets of all the characters.
It took me like 7 or so hours to really get comfortable with it though. It's a very steep learning curve I'm not used to. But now the timing is second nature.
It took me like 7 or so hours to really get comfortable with it though. It's a very steep learning curve I'm not used to. But now the timing is second nature.
Shin Johnpv
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Some quick thoughts, how old are the genesis scart cables and where did you get them from. What has changed in your set up? That's where I would begin, if the scart splitter is new I would start by testing the genesis directly into the Framemeister. You could also just try upping or lowering the sync setting for your genesis profile. That might help.
If it's brand new cables I would contact the seller ASAP. Because maybe something is wrong with the cable.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the Framemeister might have or had have some issues with passing an hdmi signal through. HDMI switchers aren't too expensive, I want to say I think that may be a better solution than passing the HDMI through the framemeister, maybe I'm wrong though and some one else will comment.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, I had no idea what I was doing at first, but the game is really, really fun.
D.Lo
Member
Motion controls dominate non-motion.
For a retro spin, for a new control paradigm, compare it to Street Fighter II - whose special moves literally required specific non-logical moves and timings to be rote learned. The Dragon punch motion is far less logical than anything in Arms.
Monado Blade
Member
I fucking finally managed to get my Famicom AV mod to work! Spent the whole weekend wiring and rewiring.
Now to celebrate by spending the rest of my Sunday with some SMB!
Now to celebrate by spending the rest of my Sunday with some SMB!
sixteen-bit
Member
congrats on fixing it!
ARMS rules, I'm really happy with it. I don't know where I rank it next to other games in its lil subgenre but I'm really enjoying it so far.
I've seen nothing that suggests that the motion controls are more capable than the traditional ones, but they're surprisingly reliable and easy to pick up so that's something.
In other news, I've had Carnage Heart on the brain. Has anybody actually played through the original's campaign? I'm wondering how good the strategy layer is and if it would be worth playing the original game before the 2010 game.
I've seen nothing that suggests that the motion controls are more capable than the traditional ones, but they're surprisingly reliable and easy to pick up so that's something.
In other news, I've had Carnage Heart on the brain. Has anybody actually played through the original's campaign? I'm wondering how good the strategy layer is and if it would be worth playing the original game before the 2010 game.
I've been playing with motion controls. It's hot in NYC so I have actually been getting sweaty playing this game which is rare for me even with motion controlled games.
But I have no interest in learning to play it on my pro controller. Once you get acclimated, motion controls do feel like second nature in ARMS.
Maybe in 20+ years from now.=p
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I haven't tried the motion controls... just don't have much interest in playing any game like that, honestly. Traditional controls seem fine, at any rate.
Anyway, yeah, game is still fun as hell. Though I know I'm going to get sidetracked on Tuesday, with Cave Story coming out on the Switch. That system is basically Nouveau Retro.
Anyway, yeah, game is still fun as hell. Though I know I'm going to get sidetracked on Tuesday, with Cave Story coming out on the Switch. That system is basically Nouveau Retro.
Just saw this amazing thing on Twitter:
Brook Converter for PS1 and PS2. So if you have any fighting games on those systems, you can use your godly PS3 or PS4 era arcade stick with them. I'll probably be picking this up.
Next step is for them to release something like this for DC. and Saturn. and SNES. and Genesis.
Brook Converter for PS1 and PS2. So if you have any fighting games on those systems, you can use your godly PS3 or PS4 era arcade stick with them. I'll probably be picking this up.
Next step is for them to release something like this for DC. and Saturn. and SNES. and Genesis.
Just saw this amazing thing on Twitter:
Brook Converter for PS1 and PS2. So if you have any fighting games on those systems, you can use your godly PS3 or PS4 era arcade stick with them. I'll probably be picking this up.
Next step is for them to release something like this for DC. and Saturn. and SNES. and Genesis.
I have a godly PS1/PS2 stick but this is definitely freaking way cool. Saturn PLEASE!
As for ARMS, only been playing It a small bit but game is super ace and feels like a dope-ass DC game.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
So, is the Brook stuff actually good? I remember converters being laggy back when I cared about them, but their stuff seems to be pretty highly regarded... from what I can tell?
I have no idea. But that shit is pricey...if cost is any correlation. They make cool shit...like that wireless adapter for the NES/Fami Mini.
D.Lo
Member
Yeah I can't see a skilled motion player being touched by a button user. I only get physically pushed by a special flurry, need to work on that being less frantic lol.
Evo allows them, so if they can hit that high standard, I assume they're pretty good.
socksfelloff
Member
Brooks makes good stuff. They are the go to brand of "the pros" these days.
I have a stick with a ps360+ so I'm good for ps2
I have a stick with a ps360+ so I'm good for ps2
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Just saw this amazing thing on Twitter:
Brook Converter for PS1 and PS2. So if you have any fighting games on those systems, you can use your godly PS3 or PS4 era arcade stick with them. I'll probably be picking this up.
Next step is for them to release something like this for DC. and Saturn. and SNES. and Genesis.
Um yes I have a shit ton of fighting games and shmups on both of those systems, and it's the only system I don't have arcade sticks for.
This news has pretty much made my day. Two please!
RadarScope1
Member
I went and checked this out because I'd never heard of it. It just confirms my feeling that someone, somewhere could surely get the 8bit Do wireless tech into a stock NES controller.
Crossposting from the Gamecube thread, just picked up an American Gamecube.
My bargain turned up!
£107 for the GC, component cables (i assume are official as the markings are on them), Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike and a freeloader! Slight snafu in the fact there's no AV cable so I have no audio atm and the controllers triggers are screwed, but that can be rectified for about £20.
Felt guilty buying this especially as the seller knew component cables were rare and even put in his listing they were rare and pricey, but the fact he didnt list them in his title meant most probably overlooked it!
Crystal Chronicles and Wave Race were bought separately for about a tenner.
My bargain turned up!
£107 for the GC, component cables (i assume are official as the markings are on them), Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike and a freeloader! Slight snafu in the fact there's no AV cable so I have no audio atm and the controllers triggers are screwed, but that can be rectified for about £20.
Felt guilty buying this especially as the seller knew component cables were rare and even put in his listing they were rare and pricey, but the fact he didnt list them in his title meant most probably overlooked it!
Crystal Chronicles and Wave Race were bought separately for about a tenner.
Well, I find myself in need of an upscaler again. I swore that I'd never dip back into these waters, but here we are.
I'm not really needing graphical fidelity here, but I do need composite to HDMI. My Laseractive is composite only, unless I start drilling holes and adding things.
Plus, I'd really like to watch some of my Laserdiscs on my Panasonic production Plasma. That'd be neat. I can't be expected to just run out and buy Rob Roy on another format, can I?
What's the best of the crappy composite to HDMI upscalers on Amazon right now? I've already tried one that actually offset my image to the left of screen, and I have no idea what the deal with that was.
I'm not really needing graphical fidelity here, but I do need composite to HDMI. My Laseractive is composite only, unless I start drilling holes and adding things.
Plus, I'd really like to watch some of my Laserdiscs on my Panasonic production Plasma. That'd be neat. I can't be expected to just run out and buy Rob Roy on another format, can I?
What's the best of the crappy composite to HDMI upscalers on Amazon right now? I've already tried one that actually offset my image to the left of screen, and I have no idea what the deal with that was.
Monado Blade
Member
Just saw this amazing thing on Twitter:
Brook Converter for PS1 and PS2. So if you have any fighting games on those systems, you can use your godly PS3 or PS4 era arcade stick with them. I'll probably be picking this up.
Next step is for them to release something like this for DC. and Saturn. and SNES. and Genesis.
Wow! Thanks for the heads up. Finally I can use my Seimitsu modded HRAP3 with Dodonpachi on PS1
Honestly? None. They all have garbage artefacts.
I'm surprised the LaserActive only has composite out and no s-video out. The more you know!
Laserdisc is a composite analogue format. Even if I was to get RGB output from it through modification, it wouldn't actually display Laserdisc material. Laseractive games would only show the Genesis made bits.
Hmm, are there any capture cards that will take composite and be relatively lag free? If that was possible, I could run games through a computer to a monitor.
Crossposting from the Gamecube thread, just picked up an American Gamecube.
My bargain turned up!
£107 for the GC, component cables (i assume are official as the markings are on them), Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike and a freeloader! Slight snafu in the fact there's no AV cable so I have no audio atm and the controllers triggers are screwed, but that can be rectified for about £20.
Felt guilty buying this especially as the seller knew component cables were rare and even put in his listing they were rare and pricey, but the fact he didnt list them in his title meant most probably overlooked it!
Crystal Chronicles and Wave Race were bought separately for about a tenner.
Wow what a great deal!
If you want to run them through a monitor, you should get a scandoubler.
eternalthree
Member
Glad to own a Sega console again after I picked this all up last week. Still kinda regret selling my Genesis back in the early 2000s. Played Bust a Move 4 last night on this with the wife and i got trounced 6-4. Was 5-1 at one point.....
Time to adjust the laser on the second machine and possibly look into a laser replacement. or SD adapter. but those are expensive and out of stock.
Time to adjust the laser on the second machine and possibly look into a laser replacement. or SD adapter. but those are expensive and out of stock.
Laevateinn
Member
Oh god. I was trying to get my PC98 working with my Compact Flash - IDE adapter and lost a jumper in my retro area. It's going to be a while before I get this working.
davidwhangchoi
Member
hey guys,
with the metroid II remake coming out.
i picked this up with True Lies SNES, i think someone's retroGAF purchase brought it to my attention.
with the metroid II remake coming out.
i picked this up with True Lies SNES, i think someone's retroGAF purchase brought it to my attention.
Laws00
Member
Were you in NJ at a place called powered by games llc around 11-12 ish today?