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[ShadowFox08]

What Nintendo really means but will never say: We're definitely not making artificial shortages, but unfortunately we're competing with apple for supplies like SSDs and losing terribly

 

[LotusHD]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

Y'all are something else, I swear.

 

[Maximo]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

They could have and I wouldn't have had any interest in purchasing one, it being handheld is the reason I will eventually buy one. Saying its irrelevant to *alot of users* and then comparing it to the WiiU is frankly laughable, sure price could be argued but the price is within its specs.

 

[Nanashrew]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

The flexibility is anything but irrelevant as it's one of the key features that many are attracted to the device and why there is such a high demand for the system. The system can easily gel into people's lifestyles rather than the other way around.

 

[massoluk]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

Lol, please. So much contradiction my head hurts. Switch can't be irrelevant and sold out at the same time.

 

[Shizuka]

Why would anyone think they're intentional? Nintendo wants to sell as many Switch consoles as they can get onto store shelves.

Because Nintendo is the master of creating artificial demand for their products, it's no wonder there are still people believing Switch's shortage is intentional to this day.

 

[James Scott]

The shortages has the additional negatives of increasing the cost of parts/cost of manufacturing the Switch, right? Or is that not what bidding against apple would entail?

 

[ThisIsMyDogKyle]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

yes, quite the hole they've dug themselves.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Because Nintendo is the master of creating artificial demand for their products, it's no wonder there are still people believing Switch's shortage is intentional to this day.

explain

 

[ggx2ac]

The shortages has the additional negatives of increasing the cost of parts/cost of manufacturing the Switch, right? Or is that not what bidding against apple would entail?

If you read this article massoluk posted: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19B39S

It gives you a good idea how you need to do orders to secure supplies. Since companies not named Apple are concerned, they are paying for longer than one quarter of production and at a higher cost willingly to secure supplies.

It also mentioned how Apple secures 18% of the world's NAND chips. (yearly?)

Point is, you have to pay higher costs to secure supplies otherwise you'll have to wait until it's your turn.

Shortages are increasing the costs.

 

[Bobo Dakes]

That is not true... Nintendo has at least 10 billions in cash and zero debt, more than enough to get anything done that is possible by others if they actually tried. Its still typical Nintendo answer for everything to me.

well now you're just being stubborn

 

[Bobo Dakes]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

You're funny.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

What's the line between parody and real at this point.

 

[wanders]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

Is this real

 

[cuate]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

heh.

 

[sugarman]

I've still yet to ever see one in real life. It's almost mythical status.

 

[JCX]

I love these threads because if Switch were a flop, the same people crying "artificial scarcity!!!" would be the exact same ones saying "lol Switch Wii-U 2 confirmed so much dust"

 

[xch1n]

I'm laughing so hard at the "incompetence" angle.

There. Are. No. NAND. Chips. For. Anyone. Right. Now.

Lots of tech blogs are talking about how different companies are starting to hoard and plan way further in advance because of the lack of inventory and lead time lag. Which of course is making it even worse. Estimate I saw for production capacity meeting demand is mid 2018. It's gonna be a long ride.

 

[Maximo]

I've still yet to ever see one in real life. It's almost mythical status.

I can go take a picture for you if you want.

 

[ShadowFox08]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

The Wii U was a failure, and the mobile console has sold 4x(though 3ds had a 2 year head start) as much. You really think Nintendo should have went in for a separate home and handheld console?

Nintendo IMO made the best decision possible by merging both to get the best of both worlds to merge both install bases AND allocate developer resources primarily to one console(obviously they're still making games for 3DS). You're seriously understimating home consoles on the go.

Honestly, Nintendo selling a console that was as powerful as PS4 would more than likely give us another gamecube situation, and Nintendo wouldn't have as many of their 1st party developers dedicated to making games on the console when they have to do it on another handheld.

 

[Koppai]

Wonder how many 2DS were planned and if they cut back production on them to focus on the Switch?

 

[PunjabiPlaya]

It's funny how multiple people have clearly explained the NAND shortage and how the market works in this situation, yet people still come in here with their "incompetence" claims and conspiracies.

The people who refuse to be informed are the ones calling other people incompetent, typical gaf.

 

[JershJopstin]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

I suppose decreasing demand is technically one way of meeting it...

 

[VariantX]

I'm laughing so hard at the "incompetence" angle.

There. Are. No. NAND. Chips. For. Anyone. Right. Now.

Lots of tech blogs are talking about how different companies are starting to hoard and plan way further in advance because of the lack of inventory and lead time lag. Which of course is making it even worse. Estimate I saw for production capacity meeting demand is mid 2018. It's gonna be a long ride.

Now we can't let facts get in the way of salt can we?

 

[MegaManTrigger]

It's funny how multiple people have clearly explained the NAND shortage and how the market works in this situation, yet people still come in here with their "incompetence" claims and conspiracies.

The people who refuse to be informed are the ones calling other people incompetent, typical gaf.

Precisely.

 

[whalleywhat]

lol, GAF's putting its fucking foot down. The truth is in here.

 

[WeirdoStalkerJr]

Hey gaffers, I'm looking to get one next week, GameStop shill over the counter said 450$??? Is that accurate?? Where can I get one cheaper?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

The price was a factor for a lot of people here too for the Switch since it was a home console weaker than the PS4 with a $300 price tag and $60 games.

You're talking from the benefit of hindsight though for a few of those things like barebones lineup for the Wii U after launch, we didn't even know most of Nintendo's 2017 lineup for Switch and when they would release until April at the earliest.

This is going to go nowhere so I'll just ask one last thing.

How many hardware units do you think the Switch will sell over 5 years including what has already happened at launch?

Arms, Splatoon, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors.Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were all announced before the Switch even released. The only games releasing this year which was announced afterwards from what I remember was Rabbids X Mario and Pokken.

And I fail to see the relevance of your question to the topic at hand. We're talking about the Switch situation right now.

The 3DS name is about as straightforward as you can get. The WiiU on the other hand...

It was not confusing to me personnaly but to the general public.

 

[Gaspard]

Hey gaffers, I'm looking to get one next week, GameStop shill over the counter said 450$??? Is that accurate?? Where can I get one cheaper?

Gamestop dude's probably recommending a bundle. If you follow @Wario64 on Twitter or get InStockNow alerts you can get updates for Switch stock.

No online retailer currently has supply in the US for MSRP.

 

[ggx2ac]

Arms, Splatoon, Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors.Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were all announced before the Switch even released. The only games releasing this year which was announced afterwards from what I remember was Rabbids X Mario and Pokken.

The only game given a release date was Legend of Zelda, we didn't know when the other games would release which included people saying Xenoblade 2 would be delayed to next year.

And I fail to see the relevance of your question to the topic at hand. We're talking about the Switch situation right now.

Because you are so certain of things that I wanted to hear something that wasn't based on hindsight.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Man I never knew GAF was so full of business and marketing majors.

I think videogamedunkey nailed it on the mark. Nintendo knows neither marketing nor how to run a business, but they sure know how to make great games.

This hardware shortages is a result of once again, Nintendo failing to understand the demands of its own market. For better or for worse, they have always done defy industry standards by doing their own thing. Some people think this is intentional. I believe it's because they are incompetent.

I love dunkey but goddam that was one of the dumbest things he has said in a while. In fact, any time he tries to talk about actual business he sounds just really really lost, but with a terribly inflated ego. Be it EA or Microsoft even, which he has a hate boner for, he just talks about shit he clearly and painfully knows absolutely nothing about.

 

[J@hranimo]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

We've reached a new era of Nintendo salt and madness on NeoGAF ladies and gents.

 

[TLZ]

Y'all are something else, I swear.

He does have a point though. It is irrelevant to a lot of users who don't care about portability and just leave it under the TV. In that sense, Nintendo could've released a more powerful console and these types of users would've been pleased.

On the other hand though, the portable crowd would've had to wait more for Nintendo to release their new portable. This crowd, well many of them, (some still prefer the smaller form factor) is more than happy they didn't and are very happy with the Switch.

It's undeniable the Switch has favored portability over power. Personally, I've got one days ago (for a cheaper, more acceptable price for me) and I'm impressed when playing portable, not so much when on TV. If they continue on this hybrid idea though, which they should, their next version would be very impressive, even if it will fall short in TV mode in comparison to PS and XBOX.

 

[Golgo 13]

Hey gaffers, I'm looking to get one next week, GameStop shill over the counter said 450$??? Is that accurate?? Where can I get one cheaper?

I bought one from a Gamestop today -- bundle wasn't filled with junk, they just require you to buy two related games/accessories, at least that's how they explained it to me. Which is fine because I was going to buy Zelda and a pro controller anyway -- but the items can be as simple as a screen protector and a carrying case.

Still way better than paying a scalper.

 

[spekkeh]

yes, quite the hole they've dug themselves.

 

[Sadist]

Coming back to this thread.. wooh boy.

 

[Irishonion]

Yea I confess I had some thoughts of it.

Until I got one about a month and a half after release fairly easily. Walked into best buy after they opened and they had 20 grey and 10 neons sitting for sale. And it was like that at many best buys.

 

[marmoka]

The investors' meeting is next week, isn't it?

I would like to see how many Switches did they sell to date. Despite of the lack of stock, I predict those numbers will be insane.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

The only game given a release date was Legend of Zelda, we didn't know when the other games would release which included people saying Xenoblade 2 would be delayed to next year.



Because you are so certain of things that I wanted to hear something that wasn't based on hindsight.

They were all stated to release in 2017 at the time, wether they were delayed or not is besides the point. I'm talking about the way the system looked before the release.

And I don't see how what I'm saying is based on hindsight when I've been saying it before the system even launched as you can see on the post I linked you before.

 

[Kinokou]

Weren't they planning 16 million switches this year? I immagine not getting the parts for the additional 6 million could also be money out the window for them if they already reserved the production space? I don't know anything about manufacturing, so hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[takriel]

Nintendo could have released a lean and affordable home console, but chose to once again do a goofy and substandard device that requires expensive, low perf and hard-to-source parts in exchange for flexibility that's irrelevant for a lot of users, just like the Wii U. The awful price was the first symptom, the shortage is another. They dug this hole all by themselves.

Yeah sure, just jump in that red ocean, where Sony dominates and Nintendo would drown before even releasing just another generic console wannabe PC.

No, Nintendo has done it again with the Switch. It's fresh, looks really good, is very powerful for a handheld, and plays Nintendo games just fine on a HDTV. They clearly have a winner here.

 

[Breads]

because saying "they hate money" is easier than having to think about real business or infrastructure

Amiibos and nes classic

 

[depths20XX]

Is there any proof to this "Apple stealin' all the production" theory or is it just conjecture?

It seems to be more of a mistake of Nintendo. They've shown time and time again to be incompetent at production.

 

[Muffdraul]

It's the joy con shortages that make me suspicious. I get that a lot of people want the red/blue, but it's hard to believe that they're sooo outrageously in demand that I haven't been able to find a single set anywhere in four months. Amazon has NEVER had them in stock this whole time, only private sellers with inflated prices. (Though until today it'd been about a month since the last time I checked.)

 

[Maximo]

Is there any proof to this "Apple stealin' all the production" theory or is it just conjecture?

It seems to be more of a mistake of Nintendo. They've shown time and time again to be incompetent at production.

Google is your friend, if not you could have seen the links posted throughout the thread.

 

[ggx2ac]

Google is your friend, if not you could have seen the links posted throughout the thread.

That's why I went to lengths to explain it since I saw that it was becoming a buzzword.

 

[CaviarMeths]

The investors' meeting is next week, isn't it?

I would like to see how many Switches did they sell to date. Despite of the lack of stock, I predict those numbers will be insane.

Aren't those meetings quarterly? Should be end of next month if so.

 

[ggx2ac]

Aren't those meetings quarterly? Should be end of next month if so.

He's confusing it with the annual general meeting of shareholders.

2nd quarter results is end of July.

 

[Maximo]

That's why I went to lengths to explain it since I saw that it was becoming a buzzword.

It was a good effort many just read the title *Ha! Nintendo being Nintendo* and leave, nothing but derailing and shitposting now.

 

[massoluk]

Is there any proof to this "Apple stealin' all the production" theory or is it just conjecture?

It seems to be more of a mistake of Nintendo. They've shown time and time again to be incompetent at production.

Are WSJ and Reuters reports citing insiders not enough?