Would like to break away from all this post race drama by saying how impressed I've been with Stroll's development over the past few races. If you compare his on boards from Aus to Can/Baku you can see a big improvement in car control alone. Him getting this podium will boost his confidence massively as well.
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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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RaySpencer
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I know right? How could Vettel follow too close into a corner behind a safety car and hit another driver, then get angry and drive up and side swipe him.
Lunatic.
marvelharvey
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One of the most hilarious races I've seen. Why did it take Charlie and co so long to realise their SCs were indirectly causing more SCs?
Happy for all those on the podium. What comeback drives for Bottas and Richard!
Disappointed with Vettel's collision and subsequent attitude. This isn't a public server in a console racing game, you're an embassador for the pinnacle of Motorsport.
Happy for all those on the podium. What comeback drives for Bottas and Richard!
Disappointed with Vettel's collision and subsequent attitude. This isn't a public server in a console racing game, you're an embassador for the pinnacle of Motorsport.
DamonForever
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So with Verstappen's constant car problems, is there some conspiracy theory going around with Red Bull? Or does that just happen when it involves Hamilton?
Lol shit just happens. He will get some luck later again. Just how it is. Even if it sucks hard and he is even driving better then ever.
It's inevitable that you become the villain when you decide to drive for Ferrari.
I could see Verstappen doing everything to take Bottas seat and I'm sure Wolff would gladly sign him.
I'm going to come up with something nice as a send off.
I could see Verstappen doing everything to take Bottas seat and I'm sure Wolff would gladly sign him.
I'm going to come up with something nice as a send off.
nature boy
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Seems more like a the RBR13 and Renault engine are shit + bad luck situation. It's doubly frustrating for him given that Daniel just lucks into podiums every race.
Looking forward to Max doing everything it takes to boot Bottas out of his Mercedes seat. I'm sure Wolff would be up for it if given the chance. Then Sainz can get his RBR seat and start being a bitch to his third team mate.
Fox Mulder
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hamilton fed it by publicly questioning why his team swapped engineers with rosberg or why his car broke down more than any other merc in the field. Renault just sucks as does the RB13 really.
Vettel soured on RB quick, maybe Max has as well. Their engine situation isnt getting any better until Renault improves or with the new engine regulations in a few years. It's not like they have the best aero chassis on the grid either and get other mechanical faults. I still think RB would 100% choose him over Danny if they were pressed to keep one.
GrizzleBoy
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Vettel is just a dick, confirmed.
Nowhere to go. Will stay at RBR
Norwegian Rudo
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No way RB let's him go, but if they did both Ferrari and Merc would take him in a heartbeat.
Verstappen should be frustrated. He is clearly pushing the pace for Red Bull this season and his weekends just unravels before he can get to work. All this while waters part for Ricciardo to take podiums and wins.
Still he needs to keep a cool head. He is in a good place to be able to take wins this season or the next. At least he didn't loose a win because of a headrest.
Still he needs to keep a cool head. He is in a good place to be able to take wins this season or the next. At least he didn't loose a win because of a headrest.
Drove next to Hamilton under the safety car and slammed him. Because he felt Hamilton brake checked him before.
Yep. I think at this point both Ferrari and Mercedes would take Max over Daniel. Even with Daniel's podiums this season.
What would be the penalty if he did just break the contract?
You know Mercedes would drop both Kimi and Bottas in a second if they could get Verstappen even if Hamilton or Vettel didn't want the competition.
THE:MILKMAN
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A more complete quote from the BBC article:
How so many here think Lewis did anything wrong in this incident boggles the mind....
Norwegian Rudo
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He certainly wouldn't be allowed to race in F1.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Horner or Marko said it when people were starting to think about Verstappen after Rosberg left.
Norwegian Rudo
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I'm not a Hamilton fan by any measure, but IMO he did nothing wrong.
Allowed?
THE:MILKMAN
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This is deceptive I believe. Note the revs shows 5800 RPM or almost half the rev limit. I think Lewis is holding the brake and lightly accelerating to warm brakes?
GrizzleBoy
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He's incredibly cerebral.
People generally like drivers that are more cerebral than other drivers.
Being cerebral will usually let you get away with things non cerebral drivers cant.
As long as he delivers on track he can be frustrated when he is literally losing podiums and now even a race due to continued DNFs. We have seen the same from every good driver at one point or another. As an example: Remember Hamilton almost parking his car in Monaco before his engineer barely convinced him to come to the podium? Frustration can be a tool as much as a hindrance for any driven person, in most cases it just makes you go further beyond to prove that you are the best. So far his frustrations have translated in soundly beating his teammate and even his own cars performance, I would say he is good.
Hamilton clearly brake checked Vettel. He has done it before he did it again. its within the rules, but you can hardly say its good sportsmanship...
But then Vettel behaved like a total 15 year old and lost every possible argument there was to his defence.
I do not like Hamilton as a person, I admire him as driver, and I am not exactly a fan of Vettel either as a person, but in this case Vettel was extremely lucky. Both in terms of the penalty he got, and the fact that Hamilton had to pit.
Hamilton is a dick though
(that was a simple ferrari bias comment, joking around dont take it seriously pls )
But then Vettel behaved like a total 15 year old and lost every possible argument there was to his defence.
I do not like Hamilton as a person, I admire him as driver, and I am not exactly a fan of Vettel either as a person, but in this case Vettel was extremely lucky. Both in terms of the penalty he got, and the fact that Hamilton had to pit.
Hamilton is a dick though
(that was a simple ferrari bias comment, joking around dont take it seriously pls )SunhiLegend
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Just got back home after drinking way beyonf what I should have, don't know what the hell happened but RIC getting the win is awesome, love that guy, shame what happened to Verstappen, mehcanical issue? Not sure, haven't watched the race, it's a shame though as he's another guy I really like and I love his aggressive driving style. Even though I'm rooting for Hamiltion to win the WDC it's been a great season so far, I'm so nerbous and getting butterflies in my stomach before every race start because it's not just a formailty anymroe, last time I felt this way was 2012 with Alonso. I miss those days when Alonso was competing at the top. If it was anyone apart from Vettel I would be rooting for Ferrari, he's the only driver on the grid I wouldn't want to see win. brotkasten, TCRS, Dutch adn the rest of ferrari gaf are the only reason I would be content with VET winning the WDC, and also fuck Honda.
Norwegian Rudo
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Formula 1 couldn't allow him to race for one team while he has a valid contract with another.
GrizzleBoy
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Hamilton clearly brake checked Vettel. He has done it before he did it again. its within the rules, but you can hardly say its good sportsmanship...
But then Vettel behaved like a total 15 year old and lost every possible argument there was to his defence.
I do not like Hamilton as a person, I admire him as driver, and I am not exactly a fan of Vettel either as a person, but in this case Vettel was extremely lucky. Both in terms of the penalty he got, and the fact that Hamilton had to pit.
Hamilton is a dick though
Except for the telemetry showing he didn't brakecheck Vettel.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Happens all the time.
sems4arsenal
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Both are two to of the best and dirtiest drivers out there, and both absolutely knew what they were doing on both occasions.
Hamilton clearly brake checked Vettel. He has done it before he did it again. its within the rules, but you can hardly say its good sportsmanship...
But then Vettel behaved like a total 15 year old and lost every possible argument there was to his defence.
I do not like Hamilton as a person, I admire him as driver, and I am not exactly a fan of Vettel either as a person, but in this case Vettel was extremely lucky. Both in terms of the penalty he got, and the fact that Hamilton had to pit.
Hamilton is a dick though
But he *literally* didn't. FIA information and data from Mercedes shows that. Maybe it looks like it from onboard with vettel because of how suddenly they close up, but that was probably vettel accelerating assuming Hamilton will too.
The difference being one is within the rules and is part of the lead driver positioning tactically for the restart; and the other is blatantly dangerous driving.
Norwegian Rudo
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No it doesn't. Red Bull would sue them out of existence.
Fox Mulder
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There's like pre contracts or agreements for a year down the road or whatever, but who has outright broke a contract to go race for another team.
THE:MILKMAN
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We'll never get to see data from the cars and all on-board footage but my guess here is Hamilton did the same things on all three restarts which included accelerating/braking/lifting to warm up tyres and brakes as all drivers do.
The key thing being that Vettel was caught out on the previous restart and seemed to anticipate Hamilton bolting at the same point on the second restart but he didn't.
As for Vettel's pull alongside side swipe...I actually think he had such road rage the act of throwing his hand up to Hamilton was done with such force and anger it knocked his other hand off that was on the steering wheel!
theignoramus
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He was hated back in his RBR days,(not by me) especially after the multi 21 incident with Webber. I would argue his psychological gamesmanship was even more ruthless back in that era, he basically broke Webber's spirit one season after another.
sems4arsenal
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I'd bet Lewis knew exactly what he was doing. He braked at the exit of the corner to let Seb brake hard then Lewis would gun it. Only this time he misjudged (or rather both did).
GrizzleBoy
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Except the telemetry shows he didn't brake.
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