I'll poke this hive. What is feminism about?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
I'll poke this hive. What is feminism about?
hmm, why excluding males from the event? Neither do I understand why there are female only Gyms.
I'll poke this hive. What is feminism about?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
I have, but it's hard to have a debate when there are so few arguable positions. Which, in turn, often leads to metadebate
But I get it. The issue here is, you know how it is, we've been responding to the same nonsensical claims re: women & vidya since August 2014 (and earlier, of course). Depending on how one has been affected, some posters are understandably tired of a cycle of shittiness that has no apparent end in sight. See the new Anita thread, for instance.
So some posters, they're just expressing exhaustion. I realize that it isn't going to win any arguments, but folks gotta unload sometimes.
I was't subposting at you directly, btw, there was more substance to your post than that.
But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.Whoever organized the event wanted a place where women could come and feel safe and not have to deal with all the usual bullshit from a significant amount of dudes who play games, like being hit on or given quizzes about Mario's inseam (and then call fake gamer grlz when they either don't participate in or fail such tests).
Same reason some places have women only gyms or women only hours at gyms. Women want to go to workout, not be subject to "lil mama let me get your number" or some dude butting in on her workout to show her how it's really done, completely unsolicited.
Same reason there are women only cars on some trains in Japan, there is a huge problem with people taking advantage of the overcrowded cars to grope women. People are usually able to accept the reason why those exist easily enough.
Edit: Dangit Budi.
hmm, why excluding males from the event? Neither do I understand why there are female only Gyms.
But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Dont misinterpret me, men are disgusting in the gaming industry but you don't get anywhere by dividing more and more.
You didn't answer that other poster though. If feminism isn't about equality, what is it about? You seem like a well-studied expert.But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Dont misinterpret me, men are disgusting in the gaming industry but you don't get anywhere by dividing more and more.
But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Dont misinterpret me, men are disgusting in the gaming industry but you don't get anywhere by dividing more and more.
Answered 3 post above. Equality is the keyword. So NO harassing women, but also no women only or men only events. Let's get together, let's not divide.
I personally feel a gender-only event is a poor solution to a very big problem and I wish we could fix this in a less discriminatory way for either gender, like making women's panels at major events and giving more exposure to this problems so we can educate people rather than exclude them.
imo we need more mens only places and events
so sick of women grabbing my butt and saying demeaning things to me about wanting to take me home with them. heard it happening with some other guys I know too
and then when I attempt intellectual discourse with them they're always slowly explaining things that I already know but them I tell them I know and they call me "uppity"
oh wait
that doesn't happen
But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Dont misinterpret me, men are disgusting in the gaming industry but you don't get anywhere by dividing more and more.
imo we need more mens only places and events
so sick of women grabbing my butt and saying demeaning things to me about wanting to take me home with them. heard it happening with some other guys I know too
and then when I attempt intellectual discourse with them they're always slowly explaining things that I already know but them I tell them I know and they call me "uppity"
oh wait
that doesn't happen
How do you know when they couldn't even have this event, maybe it would had led to something good. That was the intention of it. There was no malice behind the event. It wasn't about dividing. It's about offering a place to discuss for discriminated group.But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Dont misinterpret me, men are disgusting in the gaming industry but you don't get anywhere by dividing more and more.
But what if there is men only events. Would that be fair or normal? NO.
Do the mathYou didn't answer that other poster though. If feminism isn't about equality, what is it about? You seem like a well-studied expert.
Do the math
Do the math
Do the math
Sounds like you might be scared to come out and say something here. Ever thought about why that might be?Do the math
He's trying to say feminism is about misandry without actually saying it.
There, I saved this thread hundreds of posts trying to eke his real viewpoints out of him.
You are really short on arguments and reasoning, how doesn't that make you realize that you aren't standing on a firm ground. When you can't even properly defend the stance you take. Just repeating those few words you have been doing isn't convincing anyone. You really should be clearer than that.Do the math
imo we need more mens only places and events
You are really short on arguments and reasoning, how doesn't that make you realize that you aren't standing on a firm ground. When you can't even properly defend the stance you take. Just repeating those few words you have been doing isn't convincing anyone.
Do the math
Intersectional feminism is a thing, my dude.It leads to discimination. That's why feminism is just as bad as harassing women in the gaming industry. Feminism is not about equality anymore.
Do the math
He's trying to say feminism is about misandry without actually saying it.
It's funny how often people believe this considering mainstream feminism is about as male friendly as it can get, and they STILL think it's about hating men
What's your issue with it?
It's always a junior*
*In that you always see random juniors 'coincidentally' show up in these threads to post crap, not that plenty of regular members never do that*
Btw, and this it's my personal opinion and I'm providing it even knowing it'll be controversial. Can't see how an event only focused towards girls, that states men aren't allowed and if they try to attend they'll be denied, can provide something positive towards make the gaming community com along.
He's trying to say feminism is about misandry without actually saying it.
There, I saved this thread hundreds of posts trying to eke his real viewpoints out of him.
More like he's trying to say feminism is about misandry but he doesn't know what "misandry" means.
But people, seriously, stop feeding the troll. Ignore, report and move on.
When minorities try to include themselves in the goings-on of the majority, they are inevitably cast out either through being undermined or outright harassed. They are seen as trying to include themselves where they don't belong, to impart negative political agendas, to change something that was working for the worse, and thus they're told "If our business is so offensive to you, make your own!"
But the kicker is that they don't expect you to make your own, because they don't believe you're capable and competent- if they did, they wouldn't have cast you out in the first place. So now that's also a problem, especially because they may have been criticized in the past for being exclusive.
They forget that they told you to make your own thing and thus don't understand that your thing only exists as a response to active exclusion. They can only see a superficial hypocrisy or double standard- that all exclusion in all forms is bad because their feelings were hurt over it- and they think your thing is the same as their thing. So they co-opt the language and leaders of the oppressed- "It's discrimination!" "It's racist/sexist" "It's segregation!" "MLK wouldn't be down with this!"
The fact is, people who have a problem with minority-only events on this principle don't want to deal with minorities' existence at all. They don't want to see you doing their own thing, and they sure as hell don't want you in with the club, and they'll say any dumbass thing to try and shut you up.
Trying to imply an event that doesn't has any ban entrance doesn't have as much attendance from certain demographic because "reasons" rather than the demographic not being enough interested to attend them.
misandry's when you mess up your laundry and all your whites come out pink, right???
Answered 3 post above. Equality is the keyword. So NO harassing women, but also no women only or men only events. Let's get together, let's not divide.
Because too often women aren't respected, they aren't considered as equals, they are harassed. Just like some places have women only metro and railway passenger cars, to prevent the common sexual assaults in those. Should they get rid of those too?
Trying to imply an event that doesn't has any ban entrance doesn't have as much attendance from certain demographic because "reasons" rather than the demographic not being enough interested to attend them.
But there are also events in other industries (which I've assisted) where this, in my opinion, dull argument could be related towards other demographics (gender, race, religion, politics).
I could be wrong, but has any E3 female attendant stated harassment, exclusion or something like it? Won't deny the issue exist in the industry (society in general) but trying to reduce it to "events don't have the same amount of woman that men because hostility" it's an example of what it's happenings this days with perception and opinions.
Music festivals (for example) have the same issues (if not bigger) and you can see far more equality in terms of assistance. Again, maybe interest has something to do with it.
Btw, and this it's my personal opinion and I'm providing it even knowing it'll be controversial. Can't see how an event only focused towards girls, that states men aren't allowed and if they try to attend they'll be denied, can provide something positive towards make the gaming community com along. I'm doubtful about the ideas those that organice the event can transmit. Especially when the amount of men that would have gone with out the restriction wouldn't being high anyway (But willing to listen and provide positive vibes).
That restriction to me provides animadversion.
So isn't the problem the disrespect? Excluding males from events does not solve the problem to begin with. To be honest, its exactly the opposite of what we should fight for... equality.
Trying to imply an event that doesn't has any ban entrance doesn't have as much attendance from certain demographic because "reasons" rather than the demographic not being enough interested to attend them.
But there are also events in other industries (which I've assisted) where this, in my opinion, dull argument could be related towards other demographics (gender, race, religion, politics).
I could be wrong, but has any E3 female attendant stated harassment, exclusion or something like it? Won't deny the issue exist in the industry (society in general) but trying to reduce it to "events don't have the same amount of woman that men because hostility" it's an example of what it's happenings this days with perception and opinions.
Music festivals (for example) have the same issues (if not bigger) and you can see far more equality in terms of assistance. Again, maybe interest has something to do with it.
Btw, and this it's my personal opinion and I'm providing it even knowing it'll be controversial. Can't see how an event only focused towards girls, that states men aren't allowed and if they try to attend they'll be denied, can provide something positive towards make the gaming community com along. I'm doubtful about the ideas those that organice the event can transmit. Especially when the amount of men that would have gone with out the restriction wouldn't being high anyway (But willing to listen and provide positive vibes).
That restriction to me provides animadversion.
When minorities try to include themselves in the goings-on of the majority, they are inevitably cast out either through being undermined or outright harassed. They are seen as trying to include themselves where they don't belong, to impart negative political agendas, to change something that was working for the worse, and thus they're told "If our business is so offensive to you, make your own!"
But the kicker is that they don't expect you to make your own, because they don't believe you're capable and competent- if they did, they wouldn't have cast you out in the first place. So now that's also a problem, especially because they may have been criticized in the past for being exclusive.
They forget that they told you to make your own thing and thus don't understand that your thing only exists as a response to active exclusion. They can only see a superficial hypocrisy or double standard- that all exclusion in all forms is bad because their feelings were hurt over it- and they think your thing is the same as their thing. So they co-opt the language and leaders of the oppressed- "It's discrimination!" "It's racist/sexist" "It's segregation!" "MLK wouldn't be down with this!"
The fact is, people who have a problem with minority-only events on this principle don't want to deal with minorities' existence at all. They don't want to see you doing their own thing, and they sure as hell don't want you in with the club, and they'll say any dumbass thing to try and shut you up.
The point of events like this isn't to solve sexism in the industry, it's to give women a safe space to meet and network over something they enjoy without worrying about being harassed.
Are some of you really that daft or stubborn that this needed to be repeated on every page?
The point of events like this isn't to solve sexism in the industry, it's to give women a safe space to meet and network over something they enjoy without worrying about being harassed.
Are some of you really that daft or stubborn that this needed to be repeated on every page?