XVI isn't happening this gen. VII Remake isn't happening this gen either.
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Final Fantasy Creator Hironobu Sakaguchi Comments on FFXV and Tabata's Future Project
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XVI isn't happening this gen. VII Remake isn't happening this gen either.
APZonerunner
Member
IMO when you look at Nojima's resume there's a clear stumble around the FF7 compilation time; AC and DC are both very messy scenario-wise (but have strong independent pieces and scenes) and the best bits of CC are, er, all the bits that were already in FF7. After that he went on to work on KH2 (a convoluted mess), Smash Bros Brawl's story (a weird thing that culminates in some weird no-name antagonist), FF13 (enough said), Mobius FF (not a good story at all) and FF15 (really good ideas - who knows what his original vision was).
That's not even counting some of the smaller stuff he did, much of which is mega suspect. I wonder if returning to FF7, arguably his greatest work, will reinvigorate him or if he'll get lost in the meandering details as he did on the compilation the first time.
InsaneTiger
Member
I don't blame Tabata for the end result, he was given a complete mess and did what he could do to salvage it. When you invest as much as Square did you probably want to get something from it and not just scrap it.
Celcius
°Temp. member
I was just about to say I'd like to see YoshiP take a stab at the next one. I know he's busy with 14 though.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
New IP from Tabata is going to be hype as fuck.
James Scott
Banned
Terra Battle 2 and Terra Wars
This.
I don't get why people think Sakaguchi is actually inclined to say anything about XV or FF in general.
On topic, I for one I'm excited for what Tabata has next. I liked CC a lot and XV, despite the storytelling flaws, was still one of the games that will forever be special to me. I want to see what he can do with a clear page away from the FF baggage, I believe he has a lot of potential.
The man who directed FFs VI, IX and XII and worked on Tactics is still employed by SE, or at the least hasn't fallen out with them
James Scott
Banned
Tabata is great at building atmosphere. Chapter 13 was poor from a gameplay perspective, but I've never felt something so oppressive and hopeless in a video game before.
Maybe Square Enix will let him work with Platinum on something.
Terrible comparison. Yoko Taro is not part of what made Automata more critically acclaimed than his previous projects, it was all a bigger budget and Platinum's contributions that did that. Meanwhile Tabata's games have had decent budgets and teams every time, but the games themselves still aren't all that great.
Similarly to how there's a pattern with Nomura's games being in development hell, you have to start seeing a pattern after four Tabata directed games turn out mediocre.
Now I'm sad.
Erm, all his FF projects literally had baggae from other mainline FF games.
CC = FFVII lore
Type-0 = FNC lore
FFXV = Versus XIII/Nomura's wet dreams lore
So yeah, it wasn't as easy as just creating a JRPG with a bunch of chocobos and magic, especially when people were crying "NOMURA'S VISION" everytime he announced something about XV. I don't want him working on another FF because I want to see what HE wants to make, and he already stated that he doesn't want to be involved in FF at the moment.
ASilentProtagonist
Member
I wouldn't mind the Type-1 game that was teased.
Well you can make any ridiculous claim if you stick arguably in there
LiquidSolid
Member
At least I know Nojima has the potential to write good stories, even if he hasn't done it in a while. That's far more than I can say for Tabata's story telling abilities (or lack thereof).
And sure, FFVIIR may turn out poorly but I'll judge it when it comes out.
James Scott
Banned
Thabass
Member
Yoshida already stated he has no intention of leaving Final Fantasy XIV, so that's out.
Ito is pretty busy...
Nah, he doesn't work at Konami.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The way people talk about FFXV you would think its a 60 metacritic game that was forgotten about in a week, also some mental gymnastics about Sakaguchi being forced to praise a game that he secretly hates? lol
DarkLordMalik
Member
Sakaguchi is good friend with Matsuno. Did he praise XII.
RustyNails
Member
But is anyone friends with Motomu Toriyama?
witchedwiz
Member
To each his own sure, but amazing for ffxv is way excessive....
DarkLordMalik
Member
He is BFF of Kitase.
Why would he need to be? If he didn't like the game or Tabata he would probably just ignore it. He straight-up said he didn't like the direction of XIII. I can't remember exactly who (maybe Kitase?) but he also said someone wasn't a good director or something when he was a bit drunk on some livestream with Tabata. The Gooch don't care.
That's your opinion. I liked CC and I consider it one of my favorite games, and many other people do in regards to CC and Type-0. It's ok to dislike his work, no director is for everybody, but don't try to act like everyone thinks his work is terrible because that isn't true at all.
Right? I mean as if people don't have different opinoins and all. lol
Spiritwalker
Member
I wouldn't mind another Tabata project, as long as it isn't a mainline FF installment.
CaviarMeths
Member
Woof.
Kitase is a fine director. That FFVI - Chrono Trigger - FFVII streak is unimpeachable.
I think he's an awful producer though.
It's also easy to see how an 81 game is disappointing for many people, when you look at what the series used to be. Imagine if Mario Odyssey or the next GTA end up with an 81 metacritic..
Yeah I honestly can't exactly remember who he was insulting just that he did it on air and apologized afterwards. If was Kitase, him not thinking he is a good producer makes more sense. One of the members who are regularly in XV threads like Koozek might remember the exact details better.
Then again, how did GTA4 get more than 81, let alone the high score it got, is a mystery to many.
People were disappointed in FFVIII and FFXII who both were 90+ meta, due to the nature of how different every installment is you'll always find people bitching about it that's nothing new among the FF fanbase. XV was a flawed game, but it's nowhere as aweful or forgotten as people like to claim it is.
DarkLordMalik
Member
There has been no 90+ FF in more than a decade. Remasters of X|X-2 all had metascore in mid 80s even though they were critically acclaimed at launch. Now a remaster having low score is not a good point but there are some games that manage to keep relatively same reception even if remastered.
FFXIII is in low 80s. FFXIV is in low 80s. The expansions to XIV iterate and build on the foundation set by the base game so I don't count them here.
So yeh, FF as a series hasn't been critically acclaimed since XII launched in 2006.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
TRUE ORDER
Member
Looking forward to his next project.
XV was good IMO, he deserves a shot with something new rather than saving a much delayed game.
XV was good IMO, he deserves a shot with something new rather than saving a much delayed game.
Tabata did a great job directing the game. He not only was able to ship a project that was never supposed to release, he released a good game with it. I think Sakaguchi recognizes this and he probably loves how open Tabata and Yoshi-P are with their fans. It's a much happier time at Square, it seems.
GoldandBlue
Member
I can't believe there are people saying Crisis Core had a good story. I liked the game but the story was bad, the only good parts were the non-Genesis garbage. And Genesis made up a huge chunk of the game.
I rolled my eyes hard when Genesis was randomly inserted into the Nibelheim incident.
Seems like SE period is incapable of handling a big budget game. What's the last big budget game they've made that didn't have significant production issues?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
How do stay employed at a video game company for eleven years without any released product? Shit's mind-blowing.
I like FFXV... but what character did you find unforgettable? The sulky one, the energetic one, the masculine one, or the British one? Was it their incredibly uniform designs that reeled you in?
I hate to be mean here, and some of their interactions together were pretty charming, but Final Fantasy XV has one of the shallowest casts to have graced a Final Fantasy since the first two games in the series.
Even after being handed the mess that was XV and turning out something half decent, Tabata still doesn't have a great game to his name. He's not the guy to continue the mainline series with. Hell, I think Monster Rancher 2 might be the best game he was ever involved with, and that was his first title.
James Scott
Banned
Who?
His other games are the same way and they don't have this convenient excuse.
I'd go so far as to say that Type-0 is a better game, though, so maybe it'd be improved but it wouldn't be some glorious return to form.
Put him on Type-1/Next and let him run wild with spinoff universes. Get him the fuck away from mainline titles.