Other than the C7 I can't find any other TV in European Amazons.
Other than the C7 I can't find any other TV in European Amazons.
X900E is KD-55XE9005 (XE9005) in Europe if you're wondering
Wow, really? Looks like it's 50 euros more expensive than LG's B6 here. Sounds kinda insane to me.
B6 is last years model.
I guess, but still! Isn't OLED supposed to be the be-all and end-all?
I'm having screen issues with my KS8000... I'm wondering if Costco will take it back and if it's worth upgrading to a b7/c7
Depends on your needs. Personally I think there's more to a TV than just deep blacks. There are factors like motion handling, upscale quality, color reproduction, shadow detail, and HDR brightness that the LG OLEDs tend to come up short on compared to LCDs. On OLED image retention is also still a possibility, though it's much less than it used to be and in most cases isn't permanent.
It's also pretty apparent in reviews that OLED isn't a magnitude better than LCD. They usually beat them out in overall scores, but we are talking about maybe a 0.5 difference in score tops. Alot of the time even less than that. Using Rtings alone you see stuff like the B6 getting an 8.5 and the Sony X900E getting an 8.2. Then you look at the price difference of $700+ dollars to get the OLED and you have to ask yourself if it's worth it.
That being said, if OLED is something you want, I'd try and go find a 2016 model with 3D because that offers more value than the incremental improvements of the 2017 models with no 3D.
Costco will take a tv back for any reason within 90 days. After that your chances are not real good, but you might talk to a manager
I am so ridiculously happy I bought the B6. C7 sounds like a powerhouse.
I am so ridiculously happy I bought the B6. C7 sounds like a powerhouse.
It's such a shame that an excellent display with a native 120Hz panel like the C7 is held back by insufficient connection support to actually drive that refresh rate at native resolution.
Thanks.They buy from the USA and the price of the B7 and C7 are the same. B7 is for warehouse stores and C7 for retail stores.
Basically, the C7 is the one available at most shops. B7 availability is limited. You can take their C7 review and apply it to the B7 since they are nearly identical.
It's such a shame that an excellent display with a native 120Hz panel like the C7 is held back by insufficient connection support to actually drive that refresh rate at native resolution.
The best TV we've reviewed for playing video games is the LG C7 4k OLED TV. Not only does it feature the best picture quality currently available, it also has some of the lowest input lag found on any TV available today as well as virtually no motion blur.
1080p @ 60Hz Show Help
: 21.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help
: 88.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help
: 46.4 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help
: 21.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz Show Help
: 21.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help
: 21.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help
: 21.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + 8 bit HDR Show Help
: N/A
Hmm, I see. I've been under the impression the OLED TVs are pretty much the best in, well, not necessarily every way, but almost. I haven't actually spent any time reading on these things, so it's no surprised I'm apparently a bit off.
Gonna spend a couple of months saving up money and then I'll do some real research into this stuff. Pretty sure I could get a solid LCD 4k TV with actual HDR support at a half the price of a B6.
By 'modern TVs' you mean anything made since CRT?Get the fuck outta here. God modern TVs suck for gaming.
wat. 21ms is less than one 60Hz frame of input lag over a CRT (CRTs have 8.33ms average input lag at minimum). That's phenomenal.Get the fuck outta here. God modern TVs suck for gaming.
I think you've mixed up input lag with response times advertised with PC monitors...Get the fuck outta here. God modern TVs suck for gaming.
Get the fuck outta here. God modern TVs suck for gaming.
Leaning towards the Sony, but that TCL is awfully tempting. How's the build quality on the TCL?
7/10
The build quality of the p series is okay. The metal back is nice, and screws throughout the TV hold it together well.
As I can't post my own thread (still a junior and all that) I thought maybe one of you guys could help me out.
I'm looking for a good 32" TV for playing the PS4 on, I have the Samsung T32E390S at the moment but have had no end of problems with it despite getting a replacement one a couple of weeks ago, can't really go any bigger as my room doesn't really allow for it haha.
the X900E vs Vizio P-series, what's my best bet?
I can get last years P-series for cheaper than a 900E or this year's P-series for around the same price as an X900E (based on prices right now in Canada)
Where are you looking at the x900e? Also Canadian.the X900E vs Vizio P-series, what's my best bet?
I can get last years P-series for cheaper than a 900E or this year's P-series for around the same price as an X900E (based on prices right now in Canada)
By 'modern TVs' you mean anything made since CRT?
Where are you looking at the x900e? Also Canadian.
Even at 43 only good TV is the X800D from last year. The 800E is worse compared to D version. 49 is the lowest size for good TV now imo. 49X900E is the best moderate budget tv.You should ask about that over in this thread: Television Displays and Technology Thread.
My take: There are no good TVs in that size. Make room for a bigger set (43-49" minimum) and then I can recommend some sets.
Oh yeah. Saw that. The 850e had been 2k, so I'm not sure if that price is the "I need it now" level just yet for me. Particularly since I could wind up moving soon.http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...tv-xbr65x900e-black-xbr65x900e/10584569.aspx?
They also have the 55" on sale
Yes. Fuck digital displays until the input lag is comparable. HD CRT or bust.
Yes. Fuck digital displays until the input lag is comparable. HD CRT or bust.
Yeah that's the only reason I mentioned 43". I'm well aware of X800E being an IPS panel so I never recommend those.Even at 43 only good TV is the X800D from last year. The 800E is worse compared to D version. 49 is the lowest size for good TV now imo. 49X900E is the best moderate budget tv.
Big input lag is why I just play my PS4 on my BenQ computer monitor, I have a second PS4 in my room connected to the TV also for whenever I play local coop but I mainly game on my monitor.Yes. Fuck digital displays until the input lag is comparable. HD CRT or bust.
Yes. Fuck digital displays until the input lag is comparable. HD CRT or bust.
Actually, a good gaming monitor these days is closer to 5 ms.wat. 21ms is less than one 60Hz frame of input lag over a CRT (CRTs have 8.33ms average input lag at minimum). That's phenomenal.
A good PC monitor is about ~10ms, or ~2ms laggier than a CRT.
Do you have any image persistence issues with using it as a monitor? (e.g. start button / taskbar in general)Yeah, it's nice that it has the option of 1080p120 at least. I picked up the 55" C7 to use as a huge monitor and I'm happy with it, but things would have been a lot better if they could have included DisplayPort. Maybe there are some other internals that would need to be ugpraded to handle 4k120, but even being able to run at 10 or 12 bpc RGB at 60Hz would have been nice (no more switching between display modes for clear desktop text vs HDR). That bit of convenience is one more thing to look forward to with those 200Hz ultrawides coming up.
Sounds like a complete idiot. Frame interpolation creates a shitload of input lag, why in the hell would anyone want to use that for games?Guy sounds like an asshole, definitely not using these settings, will check out AV Forums for professional settings.
He deliberately uses the motion interpolation (soap opera effect) for games too, who the fuck does that. Play the content like the developers intended ie 30 frames for Horizon.
Get the fuck outta here. God modern TVs suck for gaming.
Yes. Fuck digital displays until the input lag is comparable. HD CRT or bust.