Theonik
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It's great because it mostly fucks over non-voters. Only thing that keeps governments in line is a vague sense of accountability that comes from the vote, or fear of mass revolt.
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UK PoliGAF |OT3| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos!
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Is there a reason, besides what springs to mind, why the increases jumped in 2015?
QuicheFontaine
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That's absolutely damning. The fees now bear absolutely no relation to the amount of time / money it takes to process the applications. They cover that easily and make a fat slice on top as well.
Holy shit, maybe we found the magic money tree :-O
Yep, this is it. You're never going to be able to build a political movement on this. No one cares.
People want non-eu immigration reduced, so the conservatives are making it more difficult and more expensive wherever they can.
And they can get away with it because, as Theonik and QuicheFontaine have said, not enough people care.
I consider myself lucky that my wife and I can afford to cover these costs - my heart goes out to those who aren't so fortunate.
Theonik
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Tory policy to decrease migration is to make people miserable enough that they don't want to stay.
It hasn't worked so far but if they keep at it long enough maybe it will maybe it's not bad enough yet.
Maybe the best path to limit migration is to just tank the economy. Makes ya think.
Psychotext
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Flat out extortion. Disgusting.
Royal_Phalanx
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I'm guessing EU citizens will soon face this excellent and compassionate treatment in 2019 as well.
Coriolanus
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who are those peoples? what does the cliff represent? how am i expected to understand what the cartoon is trying to convey?
tbf² tho, if most of the EU hadn't drinked the austerity kool-aid, good odds that you'd have an even worse trade for the euro. Yaaaaay...
Theonik
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KimonoNoNo
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Jeremy how do you expect me to vote for you with such terrible handwriting.Perfect
Meanwhile, Corbyn is upping his twitter game:
I feel like the only reason I was able to bring my wife over was because we had the resources to stump up several thousand for a fancy immigration lawyer to oversee the whole process. And it was still a giant pain the arse.
I appreciate that scam marriages are a thing, and you generally want people to have means to support themselves, but when it comes to ILR visas the applicant will already have lived here for 5 years, most likely contributing taxes and taking nothing in return (given they also pay a surcharge for the NHS).
They are directly fucking over genuine British citizens who want foreign spouses.
Theonik
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Stop importing spouses. We need to keep the spouse trade deficit in check.
QuicheFontaine
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Perfect
Meanwhile, Corbyn is upping his twitter game:
That S at the end of "here's" is just a line! Also stop writing with a big-ass marker - you're not Donald Trump signing a pledge.
For reals though, I do appreciate it. We need bants now more than ever.
Coriolanus
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But of course the jam artisan would write in cursive. Of course.
thanks for that theo, hadn't laughed that hard since chichikov did the same to a ted cruz poster
thanks for that theo, hadn't laughed that hard since chichikov did the same to a ted cruz poster
Theonik
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I was tempted to put scare quotes around helping hands but comic sans ms would make it look like noise.
Bonen no Max'd
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So uh
How did May protect her status as leader? I thought it was supposed to be certain that she'd get replaced after the election? Is there fear that the DUP will pull out and trigger another election if there's a challenge to her?
How did May protect her status as leader? I thought it was supposed to be certain that she'd get replaced after the election? Is there fear that the DUP will pull out and trigger another election if there's a challenge to her?
Theonik
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Lack of a viable replacement. Nobody wants to be PM because they'd undoubtedly be forced into another election they might lose if they had to take over.
Besides it's best to let May take all the shit for now.
KimonoNoNo
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Yep, when it all goes tits-up the Tories and their press will just point to May and say it was all her fault.
It's worth pointing out that this is not inherently problematic.
Spuck-uk
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Imagine my surprise.
DarthMasta
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Yeah, not sure what can be done about this as it'll damage the cities and destroy the towns. Coincidentally, and also anecdotally, since I returned from travelling many years ago I have settled all around West Yorkshire. From my experience the towns and it's natives usually have a much bigger problem with immigrants and Muslims despite the percentage of respective populations actually living. The most upsetting thing is that it's not just one particular demographic, but I have met people across all sexes and ages openly make racist comments to me when discussing other races. I'm talking towns like Halifax, Dewsbury, Keighley etc.
Even if we manage to convince these people that we need the EU, there is a huge challenge ahead and I'm not sure how we will tackle the racism that is rampant in these areas.
restraining order
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So if I want to stay with my foreign partner, which I do, I should get fucked?
Reading the conditions and stipulations of applying for the spousal visas and IDL is so depressing. The stress it adds to your relationship is toxic. It turns your joy to despair.
Theresa May, Amber Rudd, the home office; they're a cruel bunch.
Theonik
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We did extend trident.
JonathanEx
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On this 'how we tackle the racism' thing reminds me of something I think last year when I was getting my hair cut. If I were a columnist, I'd wrangle a terrible 800 word piece over 'what does it mean', but I think it's vaguely interesting.
So she was young, I think early 20s, white, from Yorkshire and had recently got back from Paris. And they had gone while traveling through the Calais Jungle (when that was a bigger thing). She was talking about how much worse it was in person, really how desperate they were. I thought really interesting, she's got past the tabloid stuff and that's quite reassuring.
And then? 'Well, what can you do, there's no room in this country'.
So close. So close yet so far. How do you change such ingrained perceptions?
Anyway I decided not to go too harsh on my questioning to the woman who had a pair of scissors and my head available to her.
So she was young, I think early 20s, white, from Yorkshire and had recently got back from Paris. And they had gone while traveling through the Calais Jungle (when that was a bigger thing). She was talking about how much worse it was in person, really how desperate they were. I thought really interesting, she's got past the tabloid stuff and that's quite reassuring.
And then? 'Well, what can you do, there's no room in this country'.
So close. So close yet so far. How do you change such ingrained perceptions?
Anyway I decided not to go too harsh on my questioning to the woman who had a pair of scissors and my head available to her.
It's a pretty widely spread phenomenon in the UK that anti-immigration prejudice is inversely correlated with how many immigrants there are in an area. As you say, not sure how we tackle this.
Theonik
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I mean it's down to how people get their information. If you live near and benefit from immigrants then you know it's bollocks especially when these people are part of your community. If you don't though, then all you hear is the terrible things happening in London without any of the context. Then you think 'gosh it's good we got none of that over here' more balanced coverage would be good. Could also try moving economic activity over there in an effort to relocate migrants.
quick, someone knock up a Possible Nuke Area? map
CyclopsRock
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Ugh, you're being very reductionist.
What?
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Bony Manifesto
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Do you have a link to this analysis? I think it'll make interesting reading (yeah, I'm a nerd).
Edit: Never mind, found it. https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindu...ceexportsabroadfromdifferentpartsoftheuk/2015
It's clear that half of the service-industry exports from the North East go to the EU, but it's also clear exactly how little the region is exporting at all. Turns out it's really grim and deprived up there - who knew, eh?
We'll play hard-ball and go WTO rules
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She almost certainly will get replaced, it's just all of the people wanting to come in want her to stay in as long as possible to absorb all the shit coming in right now. Wait till the conference later this year.
Reminds me of this article that was tweeted (I think by Alistair Campbell) yesterday.
EDIT: Only in that it's also related to the north east of England.
£3,250 a year after tax for both me and my gf would probably be the difference between us going from "comfortable" to "just about managing", at least with our current spending commitments on mortgage + bills
If that happens to current EU residents, I can't see many people in our situation staying here
CyclopsRock
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Poster A: This region that voted to leave benefits from exporting to the EU.
You: That's not surprising, people who voted leave are idiots. Look at this entirely unrelated video where Gove was cut off in the middle of a fairly valid point about how finance bodies often get their predictions wrong and yet we still hold their views in high esteem and quote just the first half of a sentence.
If you'd like to back pedal away from what you said to suggest you meant something else, by all means.
I'd also point out that one can simultaneously gain benefits from something and think the benefits aren't worth the perceived drawbacks.
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