In before "whataboutism".
Haha. My thoughts exactly.You reap what you sow I guess.
It's good to know the standard for meddling but your tone was extremely dismissive, which is jarring considering we all know the US has done incredibly heinous shit to instil a leader they like.
Assassinations and breeding civil wars which led to the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people is a little worse than Russia spamming the internet with fake news.
In before "whataboutism".
It may not have reviewed well but I still enjoyed watching Our Brand is Crisis. Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton were both solid.It is known. They've been doing it for decades, especially in South America. Anyone who doesn't believe this is kidding themselves and needs to read a book or two.
Indeed. But how many of them have led to an election victory of an idiot?
I don't think they "decided" the US election... but they did directly meddle and moved the needle a little bit, yes?
I don't disagree that the US is not innocent in doing similar things.
Yes, I agree. They moved it a little bit.
Indeed. But how many of them have led to an election victory of an idiot?
In the Mayan Genocide alone more than 160k people died
I've known about America's meddling for decades.
But it doesn't mean I just chuckle and say "good" when it happens to America. The undermining of democracy in a superpower is kinda a scary portent for all of us.
Karma? Sure. It still isn't good for any of us.
And? What is the point of making a list?
Is the point That there is some score and USA owes Russia (of all countries!) and should look the other way until the score is evened up?
Facts are that if a country identifies interference It should do its utmost to stamp it out. Anyone making lists of past election meddling recognizes it isn't right ao should support slapping around putin and imprisoning any American that helped him.
A lot of them have led to dictatorships, such as chile, so we're worse.
A lot of them have led to dictatorships, such as chile, so we're worse.
Not to mention that many innocent bystanders didn't ask for this. A lot of these election interference were done behind the scene / without people knowing of such things, because politicians are generally corrupt.
Trump is a million times better than some of the people america has supported in other countries.
Very true but let's not sugar coat America's history and consequences of the it's government's decisons during it's hegemony of the world.Trump is a million times better than some of the people america has supported in other countries.
So is your argument that American citizens who helped Russia do this to us are not guilty of crimes?
During the cold war.Iceland...? When? Why?
It would be if anyone would say "and that's the reason why Russian meddling in US elections is okay". But I don't see anyone here saying that.It really is, though.
Are you arguing that it's OK for American citizens to help others interfere in our elections?
Do you see that as something different?
Hint: We aren't going to impeach Russia. But we might impeach or prosecute our citizens who helped them, nor could we claim moral outrage of other countries did the same for citizens of theirs who helped us.
Thats fine and all and good luck with that.
Putin will be long gone and the US will keep on intervening in other countries tho, and every single time it will act like it has the moral high ground and its citizens will allow those henious things to continue to be done in their names.
I feel schadenfreude when hypocrites in here casually dismiss what the US has done to other countries while whining about Russia and Trump, doesn't mean I'm happy that Russia meddled in the US election.
I feel schadenfreude when hypocrites in here casually dismiss what the US has done to other countries while whining about Russia and Trump, doesn't mean I'm happy that Russia meddled in the US election.
It would be if anyone would say "and that's the reason why Russian meddling in US elections is okay". But I don't see anyone here saying that.
You pig.You reap what you sow I guess.
Can you admit there's a difference? This is being used to justify treason.
This is off topic but anybody here on GAF a 911 truther?
Have been researching and there are questions which puzzle me.
In this thread, who is using it to justify treason?
If its a question of why they exist, a major reason is a lot of them can't accept the fact that the world is a chaotic, senseless place. Also the delusional feeling of superiority because they think they know better than all the "sheep".This is off topic but anybody here on GAF a 911 truther?
Have been researching and there are questions which puzzle me.
There once was a whole thread which ran for well over a decade.
You are not responsible for the actions of your country in the past, the good and the bad. Your responsibility is to learn from the past and be better.
You want to be better, right?
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/506625913/database-tracks-history-of-u-s-meddling-in-foreign-electionsSHAPIRO: How often do other countries like Russia, for example, try to alter the outcome of elections as compared to the United States?
LEVIN: Well, for my dataset, the United States is the most common user of this technique. Russia or the Soviet Union since 1945 has used it half as much. My estimate has been 36 cases between 1946 to 2000. We know also that the Chinese have used this technique and the Venezuelans when the late Hugo Chavez was still in power in Venezuela and other countries.
SHAPIRO: The U.S. is arguably more vocal than any other country about trying to promote democracy and democratic values around the world. Does this strike you as conflicting with that message?
LEVIN: It depends upon if we are assisting pro-democratic side - could be like in the case of Slobodan Milosevic that I talked about earlier. I believe that that could be helpful for democracy. If it helps less-nicer candidates or parties, then naturally it can be less helpful.
Here's the way I look at it - it's important part of American and world history that sadly way too many Americans don't know or don't know enough about. I think understanding that part history is critical to your ability to understand the modern world.I think that's the implication. Which is pure 'whataboutism'. Maybe I'm wrong.
"Trump is a million times better than some of the people america has supported in other countries."
Is this really news? I thought this was common knowledge, unless they don't teach this in America or something.
The CIA admitted this long ago. And it was obvious in the countries that suffered from this like in Chile.
The press should be using this, kind of "we the 'good' guys did it, do you think Russia wouldn't even try".
Is this really news? I thought this was common knowledge, unless they don't teach this in America or something.
The CIA admitted this long ago. And it was obvious in the countries that suffered from this like in Chile.
The press should be using this, kind of "we the 'good' guys did it, do you think Russia wouldn't even try".
You reap what you sow.
Look at it this way, if Trump destroys the US, it can't meddle in the election of other countries around the world anymore. He would retroactively viewed as a hero to the rest of the world.
You reap what you sow.
Look at it this way, if Trump destroys the US, it can't meddle in the election of other countries around the world anymore. He would retroactively viewed as a hero to the rest of the world.