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Wkd BO 0714-1617 - Audiences go Ape, Sick of Spider-man and Wonder Woman (finally)?
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This made me laugh:
When you saw Avatar, you threw away the Valerian script. Why?
Because it wasn't good enough. Avatar was on such a [high] level that [I thought], "You're not qualified. Go back to training," like with the Olympic Games. You can't go and ask for $180 million [without being ready].
Did you discuss Valerian with James Cameron?
He invited me on the set of Avatar in L.A. because I said, "I'm writing something sci-fi," and he said, "Come and see how it's working." Being there, in the middle of the factory with nothing, and seeing the world on the screen he took me for a moron at the beginning, because it was kind of complicated for me to understand. He looked at me like, "This moron doesn't understand anything." I don't have a computer. I have this, an iPad, with music. Then we went for lunch, and I asked him a lot of questions, and he gave me some tips. He was such a gentleman, so secure. You know, the people who are secure are generous.
When you saw Avatar, you threw away the Valerian script. Why?
Because it wasn't good enough. Avatar was on such a [high] level that [I thought], "You're not qualified. Go back to training," like with the Olympic Games. You can't go and ask for $180 million [without being ready].
Did you discuss Valerian with James Cameron?
He invited me on the set of Avatar in L.A. because I said, "I'm writing something sci-fi," and he said, "Come and see how it's working." Being there, in the middle of the factory with nothing, and seeing the world on the screen he took me for a moron at the beginning, because it was kind of complicated for me to understand. He looked at me like, "This moron doesn't understand anything." I don't have a computer. I have this, an iPad, with music. Then we went for lunch, and I asked him a lot of questions, and he gave me some tips. He was such a gentleman, so secure. You know, the people who are secure are generous.
DarkLordMalik
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Apes is heading for sub-150 million. Pretty poor domestic result and way way below what most people had expected here on GAF.
Black Republican
Member
When does the new charts get released?
Sunday noonish
Is this what Spidey has been reduced to? Valerian comparisons?
That's a shame considering the quality of the film. Easily my favorite of the summer
broncobuster
Banned
I guess Wonder Woman is or will shortly be the highest earning of the summer?
Kind of amazing to think it'll land towards the bottom of the top five by years end, though. Summer ain't nothing.
Kind of amazing to think it'll land towards the bottom of the top five by years end, though. Summer ain't nothing.
DarkLordMalik
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Nolan has the most loyal fanbase. He is the Nintendo of film making.
There's a lack of real IMAX 70mm theaters/screens joke in here somewhere.
Dunkirk doing well in the UK and France isnt a huge surprise.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Edgar Wright put the Dark Universe in Cruise Control.
All filmmakers of his caliber have loyal fanbases.
LordOfLore
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What Affleck has been doing when not filming or dealing with his personal life: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1409734
Primethius
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I'm honestly not surprised based off my own annecdotal eexperiences. Dawn a good theatre experience, War wasn't.
DarkLordMalik
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All big name directors have a fanbase but I highly doubt they can be as loyal and successful as Nolan.
Edgar Wright had a very loyal fanbase for a long time and so did Quentin Tarantino but you don't see their movies achieving worldwide success. Nolan is a popular name not just in the domestic market, but overseas as well. Steven Spielberg might be the same during his prime, no doubt.
I mean it can still do well in the end but the way it keeps dropping so fast shows the outlook is not that good. It started to drop below Spider-Man in Weekdays and now it is going to be below Spider-Man in its third Weekend. This is despite the fact that Spider-Man isn't holding that amazing and has average legs for a modern blockbuster.
ruslandgaga
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Girls Trip with the A+ Cinemascore. Damn
Very Berry Sunday
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They probably don't have IMAX 70mm. About 40 theatres in America support that format.
I'd go for 70mm.
Nolan is a populist filmmaker. Wright and QT are more niche. QT movies do very very well and has been doing it for 20 years.
Using your analogy Cameron is untouchable in that regard.
DarkLordMalik
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Ehh... how many movies has James Cameron made after Titanic?
While the original Avatar exploded, it remains to be seen what will happen to his Avatar Cinematic Universe.
My point is that Nolan is an International name and not something that is strictly domestic or limited to one market.
You mean how many of the highest grossing films in history did he make after making the previous highest grossing film in history? Yeah, only one
Well, yeah and QT isn't just a domestic name. He's big around the world. Just like any filmmaker that's had success. What does it matter how many movies Cameron has made after Titanic? He's probably the biggest name for filmmakers around the globe. I can't think of a bigger name. Hell, M.Night still has a big following after fucking up for a decade.
Nobody is doubting he has a loyal fanbase but it's not unusual or Nintendo like. Whatever that means.
Nolan fans, man. Nolan fans.
DarkLordMalik
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I am not doubting his popularity but he tends to take a long ass time in making movies and humans have a tendency to forget.
Lets return to this argument when Dunkirk makes more than half billion worldwide, becoming his 5th film in a row to do so.
I'm asking does the AMC forum 30 theater in Michigan have true IMAX? Or is liemax?
???
Edgar Wright almost works for your argument (Hot Fuzz did great internationally, or well in the UK). But saying that Tarantino doesn't do well internationally is weird as hell.
DarkLordMalik
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I looked at same numbers and if you see, The Hateful Eight was a quite a drop from his last two movies (Django and Basterds).
Which makes it all the more remarkable. The dude makes Titanic. Chills for almost 15 years and unleashes Avatar.
Titanic and Avatar combined grossed more then all of Nolan's films. That's his last two films!
And you can see why. It's a tough sell for any director including QT. I mean it takes place in one room for 98% of the movie and he doesn't create "blockbuster" movies like Batman or whatever else. If H8 didn't have his name on it it wouldn't do as well as it did. There's a reason why they always advertise a QT movie being his xth QT movie. His filmography is probably obsessed over more then any modern day filmmaker. It's a event when he releases a movie. That's a following.
Uh yeah. It was a smaller film than those two.
Inglourious Basterds, Production Budget: $70 million.
Django Unchained, Production Budget: $100 million.
The Hateful Eight, Production Budget: $44 million.
It's a bit like wondering why there was a big drop for Big Eyes when Burton made significantly more money with Dark Shadows and Alice in Wonderland.
DarkLordMalik
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He is, and so is Edgar Wright and Dennis Villeneuve. We are just talking about a bigger draw and something that gets people's butt in theater worldwide. Someone like Cameron, Spielberg (past) and Nolan.
Different filmmakers...
Obliterator
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Yep he's another one I'd put in the "Nolan" caliber where his name on a product attracts an audience.
Vault Dweller 111
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Nolan and Tarantino are probably the only two active directors where I will see the movie no matter what. Spielberg is awesome but I didn't see the fucking BFG, or even Bridge of Spies until home release.
I guess I can include Cameron in there because you know you'll get something epic, but I haven't seen a movie of his in theaters for a decade so it's hard to count him.
I guess I can include Cameron in there because you know you'll get something epic, but I haven't seen a movie of his in theaters for a decade so it's hard to count him.
Spider-Man Homecoming is probably looking at a third weekend of around $21M, unless it has a great Saturday bump.
That would give it an opening weekend multiplier of 2.15x through its first 17 days of release.
Here's a chart of third week drops and opening weekend multipliers through 17 days for all Marvel/DC superhero films since the start of 2016.
That would give it an opening weekend multiplier of 2.15x through its first 17 days of release.
Here's a chart of third week drops and opening weekend multipliers through 17 days for all Marvel/DC superhero films since the start of 2016.
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[B]TITLE 3rd Weekend Drop 17-day OW Multiplier[/B]
Deadpool 45% 2.15x
Batman v Superman 55% 1.79x
Civil War 55% 1.84x
X-Men Apocalypse 57% 2.07x
Suicide Squad 52% 1.96x
Doctor Strange 59% 2.14x
Logan 53% 2.08x
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 47% 2.06x
Wonder Woman 30% 2.66x
Spider-Man Homecoming 53%* 2.15x*
*estimatesTHANK THE LORD
PhoncipleBone
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Vault Dweller 111
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It would really surprise me if it did that much better than BvS
Considering BvS had horrid drops with terrible reviews I'm thinking a movie people enjoy will get it there. Doesn't have to be great or anything.
It can. $165m/$425m is basically BvS with decent legs.