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PewDiePie defends Polish politician who believes women are less intelligent than men

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That's the context he did it in, though. He responded to someone who said that women are less intelligent then men by saying that they earn less because they've given up and should stop complaining about the issues they face.

Nothing here that I can actually argue about since you're pretty much right, but if you'll allow me to cherry pick, where does he say that the women themselves have given up? Is this your inference from the emboldened part below? If so, I agree. I highly doubt that women just LOVE to pick jobs that always pay less than men. *eyeroll*

"What they didn’t take into account was pretty much anything at all, like women working less hours, women choosing less high-paying jobs and so on."
 

L Thammy

Member
I still wonder at what point "women" got replaced by "female" in a lot of peoples vocabulary on the internet. It just sounds so... strange.

I'm guessing around the time that the definition of "racist" and "sexist" started to include not only doing racist and sexist things, but having racist and sexist intent, turning people to stone with your breath, and being born from an egg laid by an old rooster at midnight.

Nothing here that I can actually argue about since you're pretty much right, but if you'll allow me to cherry pick, where does he say that the women themselves have given up? Is this your inference from the emboldened part below? If so, I agree. I highly doubt that women just LOVE to pick jobs that always pay less than men. *eyeroll*

"What they didn't take into account was pretty much anything at all, like women working less hours, women choosing less high-paying jobs and so on."

"What happened to ‘I am a woman hear me roar?'"

What does this mean? Who is he holding responsible in this statement?
 
"What happened to ‘I am a woman hear me roar?'"

What does this mean? Who is he holding responsible in this statement?

Lmao, I concede at this point. He's an idiot for even stating that and it does lend credibility to your argument that he really thinks women have just given up. Thanks for the rebuttals. I'll watch the video to educate myself a bit more now.
 

Lime

Member
I'm so over self-proclaimed liberals and 'leftists' shouting out 'both sides' when faced with issues related to feminism and anti-racism.

Just admit that you don't empathize with women and people of color and that you'd rather see them oppressed and harassed than actually listening to and respecting their experiences.

Or go join the alt-right like you were always supposed to be instead of telling yourself and others that you support leftist policies. E.g. "I support socialist policies but I really think feminists are as bad as Nazis" as what I've read in this thread.
 
No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity. I don't even go in Anita or GG threads because there isn't a lick of welcome dissent in those threads with lout getting dogpiled at the least. I think both sides are terrible IMO. Hell, even when one from either side dares to try and find a middle ground or try and have meaningful discussion, they are attacked, tarred and feathered. .

Yeah a chick makes some videos and a bunch of angry man-babies make it a huge deal and send her death threats but we need to find a "middle ground" and really it's "both sides."

What a bunch of fucking nonsense.

People get shit on in GG threads because they say shit like this or imply she somehow asked for it and the people shitting on them are not some crazy Sarkeesian loyalists.
 

Slayven

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Yeah a chick makes some videos and a bunch of angry man-babies make it a huge deal and send her death threats but we need to find a "middle ground" and really it's "both sides."

What a bunch of fucking nonsense.

People get shit on in GG threads because they say shit like this or imply she somehow asked for it and the people shitting on them are not some crazy Sarkeesian loyalists.

It's fucking terrifying that people think a woman stating her opinion on something(fucking video games at that) is equal to death threats and doxxing. i mean that is a level of coldness and detachment i can't even fathom
 
Hold the phone.

YouTube themselves confirmed the report from the WSJ was accurate!?

Wow you fucked up on that one, Ethan.
yep, and as far as I'm aware he never fixed it

and never criticized pdp ever

oh and didn't say shit about jontron

he makes a living off of criticizing youtubers but fails to touch some of the most prominent fuckery because he's friendly with them
"Whatever happened to I am woman, hear me roar?"

*roars about pay differences*

"Not like that."
exactly, and people are trying to say that wasn't condescending lol
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I'm so over self-proclaimed liberals and 'leftists' shouting out 'both sides' when faced with issues related to feminism and anti-racism.

Just admit that you don't empathize with women and people of color and that you'd rather see them oppressed and harassed than actually listening to and respecting their experiences.

Or go join the alt-right like you were always supposed to be instead of telling yourself and others that you support leftist policies. E.g. "I support socialist policies but I really think feminists are as bad as Nazis" as what I've read in this thread.


Who are you talking about/responding to?
 

legacyzero

Banned
Probably the guy on the page 20 that posted some both sides shit and disappeared. The name's ringing a bell, so maybe he'll pop in again in another thread.
As in, I'm pretty sure I've seen that username before and he made enough impact for me to remember that, but I can't remember where I saw him. Considering what he posts I've made a guess.

Nah, I just dont find it necessary to respond when you reach a point of trying to group me with alt-right lol. Naw son. And this whole "Both sides" thing just makes me chuckle, not everyone is going to align perfectly with your view, and your attempt to shame or camp those who dont with the evil fucks that they stand against, says more about you, than them, honestly. There are perfectly valid and logical criticisms of both sides to be had without jamming your foot on the hyperbole pedal and suddenly think somebody is anti-feminist for disagreeing with some individuals' views.
 
Nah, I just dont find it necessary to respond when you reach a point of trying to group me with alt-right lol. Naw son. And this whole "Both sides" thing just makes me chuckle, not everyone is going to align perfectly with your view, and your attempt to shame or camp those who dont with the evil fucks that they stand against, says more about you, than them, honestly.

Incredible.

THEY HARASS AND DOX WOMEN.

Funny how you call yourself a progressive yet you conflate progressive causes like feminism to gamergate.
 

legacyzero

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Incredible.

THEY HARASS AND DOX WOMEN.

Funny how you call yourself a progressive yet you conflate progressive causes like feminism to gamergate.

Where did I say that I agreed with or endorsed ANY of that? ANY where?

Again with the ridiculous hyperbole. Oh, and criticism of Anita's content does not = harassment. Some seem to think it does. And yeah, Doxxing is shitty no matter who you are. This is why people are afraid of dissent of any kind here, because they are attacked, rather than refuted. I came into the thread with ONE request. Education on the pay gap. All I got was "You're being DISINGENUOUS!" That's why I stopped posting in the thread.
 

Slayven

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Nah, I just dont find it necessary to respond when you reach a point of trying to group me with alt-right lol. Naw son. And this whole "Both sides" thing just makes me chuckle, not everyone is going to align perfectly with your view, and your attempt to shame or camp those who dont with the evil fucks that they stand against, says more about you, than them, honestly. There are perfectly valid and logical criticisms of both sides to be had without jamming your foot on the hyperbole pedal and suddenly think somebody is anti-feminist for disagreeing with some individuals' views.

When you stand for nothing you fall for everything.
 
Where did I say that I agreed with or endorsed ANY of that? ANY where?

Again with the ridiculous hyperbole. Oh, and criticism of Anita's content does not = harassment. Some seem to think it does. And yeah, Doxxing is shitty no matter who you are. This is why people are afraid of dissent of any kind here, because they are attacked, rather than refuted.
By saying we have to meet in the middle with the people who get banned or dogpiled in Anita and GG threads? And yes there are a few people who have actual complaints about some of her work but most people who dissent with her views fall in two camps; anita is the she devil, or "who cares about sexualization of women in video games, keep politics outta my games etc. etc."

and for GG, I mean... there really only is one side to that

also I did have an issue with one of anita's points about the tomb raider camera and I really didn't get "attacked" or anything close
 

legacyzero

Banned
When you stand for nothing you fall for everything.
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.
By saying we have to meet in the middle with the people who get banned or dogpiled in Anita and GG threads? And yes there are a few people who have actual complaints about some of her work but most people who dissent with her views fall in two camps; anita is the she devil, or "who cares about sexualization of women in video games, keep politics outta my games etc. etc."

and for GG, I mean... there really only is one side to that

also I did have an issue with one of anita's points about the tomb raider camera and I really didn't get "attacked" or anything close

Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.
 
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

Is there a mislabeling of racism or sexism in this thread? Is PewDiePie being misunderstood?
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

So then you're for feminism as its widely accepted then. Conflating feminism with man hating bitches just comes off as someone who isn't really aware of what feminism is and trying to make some sneaky ass point about "both sides are as bad". Feminists are already at the middle ground and that includes men and women, its the groups who constantly bitch about the man hating and the shaming that seem to be still on the very fringe of things.
 

Nanashrew

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I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

As someone who tried to have conversations early on with those from GamerGate, you don't know a damn thing.
 

Slayven

Member
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.
Times when racism and sexism been mislabeled in your opinion?
 

Armaros

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I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

I do like how you are now the arbiter of what feminism is

AND resort to the stereotyping Feminism using anti-feminism talking points?
 

Ponn

Banned
What is it about youtubers like fucking Pewdiepie that get people to drop their pretenses and go all in with shit they have obviously been sitting on for awhile? Like everytime, over Pewdiepie??

And what is this mythical discourse and discussion that altright and GGers have that is being ignored by "the other side"?
 
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.
Mate, come on. Slow down and take a moment. I watch your stuff and read your posts, and this doesn't seem like you.

Hope I'm not wrong.
 

Tarydax

Banned
Where did I say that I agreed with or endorsed ANY of that? ANY where?

And yeah, Doxxing is shitty no matter who you are.

You're going out of your way to pretend that GG isn't overwhelmingly the side doing it. Obviously it can't concern you that much whether you endorse it or not.

Again with the ridiculous hyperbole. Oh, and criticism of Anita's content does not = harassment. Some seem to think it does.

Got any examples from this thread, or did you pull that out of your ass?

This is why people are afraid of dissent of any kind here, because they are attacked, rather than refuted.

You're proof that refuting people is pointless. People have refuted your points repeatedly, but you ignore them. You're impossible to have an actual conversation with.

I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction.

Examples from this thread, please.

You stereotype feminists with alt-right talking points and then claim you want true equality? Yeah, I don't buy it.

It's funny how you whine about gamers being stereotyped while acting exactly like a stereotype. Meanwhile, none of the feminists in this thread are hating or shaming men.

True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.

Coming from the guy who cares about equality until his favorite comedian gets some justified backlash, this is hilarious.

Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both.

Again with the both sides bullshit.

What reasonable dialogue is there to be had with people waging harassment campaigns against women? Beyond that, what reasonable dialogue is there to be had with someone like you who goes out of his way to bury his head in the sand?

Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go.

Stop pretending like you give a shit about either. Also, define "purest form."

I said it before, I'll say it again: you would defend Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon if they came out and said they were just joking.

But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

What, in your mind, is "the actual movement" for "actual equality"? And why do you get to be the one who gets to decide what either of those things are?

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

Who told you that? Anyone in this thread?

Any criticism directed at you has nothing to do with being straight and white and everything to do with you being a faux progressive/moderate fence-sitter; you know, the kind you claim to hate so much.

Times when racism and sexism been mislabeled in your opinion?

In his mind, if you say/do something racist or sexist, it's not the "real" kind as long as you apologize afterwards or you're a comedian. It doesn't matter if you keep saying and doing racist and sexist things as long as you apologize, because everybody knows that if you apologize for something, forgiveness should be automatic!
 
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.
damn this is some straight up red pill persecution complex bullshit and i say that as a white dude
 

IrishNinja

Member
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.

Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

1) FOH with "actual feminism", the fact that you think you get to determine what is or isn't feminism is a big part of why you continually "get shit from the left" - because you're not listening, perpetually

2) likewise with "purest form" racism - yeah, so many folks on the left mislabel fake racism, then? just like with feminism, you clearly illustrate pattern of not wanting to hear women/black/other minority takes on what is or isn't something that affects them, because if it's not legit in your eyes it must "cheapen the movement"

3) likewise, get off your cross with that last bit. you are literally taking from alt-right meme/talking points at this juncture. and you wonder why so many on the left tell you you're not an ally, you're not on the same team, etc. this act fools no one.

Funny how you call yourself a progressive yet you conflate progressive causes like feminism to gamergate.

But guys, both sides! Otherwise, we're just as bad as the very unfair Wall Street Journal.

When you stand for nothing you fall for everything.

As someone who tried to have conversations early on with those from GamerGate, you don't know a damn thing.

I do like how you are now the arbiter of what feminism is

AND resort to the stereotyping Feminism using anti-feminism talking points?

Stop pretending like you give a shit about either.

I said it before, I'll say it again: you would defend Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon if they came out and said they were just joking.

damn this is some straight up red pill persecution complex bullshit and i say that as a white dude

the true legacy of legacyzero right here

Mate, come on. Slow down and take a moment. I watch your stuff and read your posts, and this doesn't seem like you.

Hope I'm not wrong.

nahhh this is dude's tao, through & through
 

Silvard

Member
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.


Nobody is saying there is a middle ground with doxxing or actual harassment. At least I'm not. I'm saying there's middle ground with discourse, or agreement to disagree at the worst. And neither side even tried. It's all or nothing for both. Sexism and Racism in their purest form need to go. But commonly, a lot of folks on the left mislabel those things when they truly aren't, or at the least, they cheapen the actual movement, for actual equality, and ending Racism.

But what do I know? I'm a straight white dude. Folks say I'm not allow to have an opinion on anything related.

Now I can understand whence came the accusations of being a BernieBro.
 
People criticize Sarkeesian's work without being banned all the time. Saying you can't or you'll be banned is a cop out no better than "different opinions get banned" or "can't go against the hive mind!"
 
People criticize Sarkeesian's work without being banned all the time. Saying you can't or you'll be banned is a cop out no better than "different opinions get banned" or "can't go against the hive mind!"

yep but that goes beyond their critical thinking skills because they think calling her a lying bitch = i disagree with her points heres why.
 

MKIL65

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Oh, and criticism of Anita's content does not = harassment.

But why is that the priority?

Why should we focus on discussing her content, when she faces much bigger issues. You know, like men wanting to ruin her life.

Is this your idea of supporting women?
 

Media

Member
I used to like him. I'll admit it. He was funny and adorable and made interesting walkthroughs.

Then the death to Jews thing happened. And instead of taking it as a learning experience, he clung desperately to all the people that were defending him; the worst people online.

And they infected him. I guess that's human nature, I saw it happen with two of my brothers. Ah well. So much for pewds.
 
I stand for actual feminism, not white man hating and shaming, or tilting the needle the complete other direction. True equality. Not equal until it's inconvenient.

I know you're fucking banned but I'm still compelled to answer.

First: the fact that you think of racial and gender-based discrimination as just people being inconvenienced is fascinating. What planet do you live on?

Also:

Needle titled towards white men
Not white men: "Can we get the needle in the middle?"
White men: "Stop trying to tilt the needle in the other direction!"

It's the "equality would be inequality" argument; such a bunch of fucking horseshit.
 
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