Not yet. From my understanding, Disney intended to include DV but there were quality issues with the encode so they went with a HDR10 only encode.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Not yet. From my understanding, Disney intended to include DV but there were quality issues with the encode so they went with a HDR10 only encode.
TV (X900E) just arrived and it's beautiful (just going by the menus and the... however the fuck that happened... Dragons Dogma Intro that suddenly began to play oÔ).... the only thing that stops me right now is the firmware update. I thought about skipping it to watch something first but I can't manage to get the soundbar working. The TV shows it in the BRAVIA device section (so I guess it was detected) and the soundbar switches to ARC when I set the TV sound output to Audio System... but the sounds are still played through the TV speakers. I hope the update will fix this and if not I need to find out what I'm doing wrong...
edit: 4%... arghhh.
edit: 4%... arghhh.
RoadHazard
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Yeah, thinking about getting the Sony X800. Won't help with Netflix though. Not because of any technical limitation, of course, but because they only support Atmos on LG TVs and the Xbox One so far. Very odd, but I can only guess it's gonna be added to more devices going forward. And I kind of would like to use the TV apps if possible, just seems a bit more convenient.
Hm, it seems like I need to start some real content for the TV to switch to the soundbar. I was testing it the whole time with the menu sounds and these were always coming trough the TV speaker, making me think the bar doesn't work. Later I played a disc and suddenly it switched to the soundbar. Planet Earth 2 just for the looks and damn... it looks beautiful :'D
Insane Metal
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Happy post 10,000 guys! 
Here's to another 10,000 posts.
Edit: a bit early but yeah. We're almost there lol
Here's to another 10,000 posts.
Edit: a bit early but yeah. We're almost there lol
MosquitoSmasher
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I would reckon that this is definitely fixable via firmware updates but apparently LG is going to bring the dim HDR Game mode to other OLED tvs as well. Seems like LG doesn't recognize it as a error at all. Weird as hell and quite bad too to be honest.
In terms of wanting to see 4K well on the 65 inch screen, while gaming
So, I was really convinced of getting myself an OLED65C7P, but I've been concerned with a few things. Firstly, how hockey looks on it. I have a 2011 or 2012 LG plasma and the ABL kicks in a lot, but especially during hockey, and it's really annoying and I really want to avoid ABL again. Second is dark screen banding I've seen has been less than stellar on the OLED65C7P (for example the movie Arrival). Thirdly is that I still need legacy composite/component hookups and the OLED65C7P doesn't have them
XBR65X930E is something I'm looking at instead, any thoughts?
XBR65X930E is something I'm looking at instead, any thoughts?
Yeah, definitely. 65" is ideal at the distance
https://www1.crutchfield.com/learn/learningcenter/home/TV_placement.html
cpp_is_king
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3 days ago I bought the LG OLED55C7P from Amazon. Today it's $300 cheaper. I haven't received it yet but it has been shipped. Does anyone know if it's possible to return or refund the difference? The seller was not Amazon, it was "Walt's TV". Am I just SoL?
RedAssedApe
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Amazon doesn't price match anymore. If it's a third party seller you'd need to work with the seller. I think most credit cards have a price guarantee thing now too so you might be able to go that route.
Terbinator
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This thread will be your best bet.
family_guy
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Was it shipped by Amazon or the third party? If it's the former then you might be able to get them to credit you. I'm fairly certain you can return anything shipped by Amazon, but I'm not sure whether they deduct a significant amount for return shipping costs since TVs are so big.
I think this is a better evaluator as it takes FOV into account.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship
Keep in mind that the interactive portion of the page (the sliders) are based on the "mixed-use" 30° FOV recommendation and should be viewed as a minimum screen size or maximum distance. Check the tables further down on the page for the size/distance to achieve the 40° SMPTE/THX recommendation which, IMO, is a better fit for 4K.
Did you buy it with a credit card? Most of them do price matching up to 60 or 90 days and $500 dollars.
I agree with Schlonky mate... do you have a 4k capable PC or ps4 pro (perhaps getting the x1)? For gaming i'd actually recommend sitting 6-6.5 feet away for a 65 inch. Immersive as hell and the added detail from 4k will be more apparent.
cpp_is_king
Member
How does this work? Do they just refund you the difference and take it up with the seller?
Edit: nvm, my card doesn't offer it. Bleh
RoadHazard
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Hah, I have the same problem... I'll be around 6.5" away from whatever TV I get after wall-mounting it, and before entering this thread I thought 55" might be too large for that distance. Now I'm thinking I kinda need a 65"...
Here's how I'm going to justify it. With Cliffs Deals offering it for 2K, as long as it eventually goes on sale at a reliable seller for 2,500 I can get it from there and then make back the 500 via credit card price matching.
I'm just not sure if it will get to that point by the end of the year, and 2 grand is where I draw the line for a TV.
I'm just not sure if it will get to that point by the end of the year, and 2 grand is where I draw the line for a TV.
I think the ARC on the LG E6 only does lossy 5.1 audio. So I would missing out on the uncompressed 7.1 audio.
RoadHazard
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No TV does uncompressed surround audio via ARC, because of bandwidth limitations. The best the currect ARC implementation can do is DD+. For uncompressed ARC audio (TrueHD, etc), we'll have to wait for HDMI 2.1. Which is partly why I'm hesitant to buy a new TV and receiver right now, even though I really need to upgrade both. If next year's models do 2.1, with uncompressed ARC audio, that's gonna be a bit annoying.
potatohead
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Anyone have opinions on a1e versus z9d I want to get a 70+ and any thoughts on relative picture quality?
Thanks!
Im hoping to snag a UHD player for ~200.00 but Im willing to waver from that price some if its worth it. Right now, I have my eyes on the Samsung UBD K8500 but Im also really curious about the Sony UBP X800. Is there a good reason why its so much more expensive? I also like the fact that it comes with a rebate for 2 Sony UHD movies and supports Bravia Sync, so itll pair nicely with my TV (X900E 55 inch)
Above all, Id like something good and relatively future proof that wont break the bank.
I think it's splitting hairs. The Sony is usually regarded as the second best player behind the oppo but not sure if it's 60 dollars better. I've seen some youtube videos comparing the sony and samsung with The Revenant and the consensus was that the Sony picture was a little better, but the difference wasn't huge. Cnet recently posted a comparison article and they liked the Sony the best too although the difference isn't huge:
https://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-player-shootout-xbox-one-s-vs-samsung-vs-sony-vs-oppo/
I think the Samsung is being clearanced out because it's a 2016 model. The Sony model is 2017.
The interface for the XB1S is kind of garbage but if you can get around it have you thought about that one too? I use it right now as a 4k uhd player and it works well.
The Sony would probably play nicely with your tv though, might be able to use one remote.
https://www.cnet.com/news/4k-blu-ray-player-shootout-xbox-one-s-vs-samsung-vs-sony-vs-oppo/
I think the Samsung is being clearanced out because it's a 2016 model. The Sony model is 2017.
The interface for the XB1S is kind of garbage but if you can get around it have you thought about that one too? I use it right now as a 4k uhd player and it works well.
The Sony would probably play nicely with your tv though, might be able to use one remote.
Thanks for posting this!
Need some advice, my Pioneer Plasma GT30 is on its last legs. (Flickering top half of TV when displaying pure white)
From what I have read, repair is almost impossible due to a lack of reliable replacements boards for this TV.
A local shop still has KS8000's,and is also offering a killer deal on the Sony XBR900E.
Looking for advice on which set you guys recommend.
This will be paired with my Denon X2300 reciever if that makes a different.
From what I have read, repair is almost impossible due to a lack of reliable replacements boards for this TV.
A local shop still has KS8000's,and is also offering a killer deal on the Sony XBR900E.
Looking for advice on which set you guys recommend.
This will be paired with my Denon X2300 reciever if that makes a different.
Kudo
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I went from Panasonic Plasma to KU6300 and was very pleased with the upgrade. The Panny was starting to get permanent burn-in and it was really small for the living room.
PS4 Pro looks awesome on the Samsung. Receiving my LG 55B6 next month so hoping to see even bigger upgrade this time.
Kuro PDP4280XD to 65 B6 OLED.
Well it's better in every single way, except I find it a tad more juddery for 24fps content. Colours, detail, brightness are just so much better. No regrets. Blacks are also perfect now. My Kuro was good but not this good. Really makes the picture pop more.
I thought I researched but I guess I didn't go hard enough. Just learning that my new x900e won't support dolby vision.
I really, really love the tv but I barely afforded it and don't want to go through the hassle of returning it and spending 400 more on the 930e...so I think I'm going to stick it out with the tv. I guess my question is will hdr10 still be supported for the foreseeable future? If a movie uses dv, will it still use hdr10? I'm not going to lose hdr in its entirety, am I?
I must say, I'm a little confused as to why I know people with 700 dollar TCL tvs that support DV but my 1400 dollar Sony doesn't. I guess all the other features I have make it worth it?
Thanks for this.
I actually am considering the XB1S but, like you said, the interface is a bit of a turnoff. Id also never use its gaming functionality...but I guess that's not much of a reason to not get one.
I really, really love the tv but I barely afforded it and don't want to go through the hassle of returning it and spending 400 more on the 930e...so I think I'm going to stick it out with the tv. I guess my question is will hdr10 still be supported for the foreseeable future? If a movie uses dv, will it still use hdr10? I'm not going to lose hdr in its entirety, am I?
I must say, I'm a little confused as to why I know people with 700 dollar TCL tvs that support DV but my 1400 dollar Sony doesn't. I guess all the other features I have make it worth it?
Thanks for this.
I actually am considering the XB1S but, like you said, the interface is a bit of a turnoff. Id also never use its gaming functionality...but I guess that's not much of a reason to not get one.
RedAssedApe
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went from 9g non-elite kuro to the tcl p series. granted probably not exactly a fair comparison with the latter being a budget tv.
native 4k content looks excellent. anything below that is a mixed bag. 1080p upscaled looks good but 1080i/720p stuff over cable looks worse especially in the motion department. better 120hz lcd sets with motion related settings would probably make it less noticeable though.
screen uniformity is also noticeably worse although i'm not sure if thats just the set or lcds in general as i see this complaint on even the most expensive lcds. dirty screen effect is a lot more noticeable. not to mention the darker corners and flashlighting. local dimming helps with latter, especially on letterboxed content but the darker corners and dirty screen effect is a bit annoying when i notice it in certain situations.
once again i'm comparing a $3000 to a $600 set so...
BradleyLove
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My mate has gone from a 50" Kuro to a 75" Sony x93 and he swears by the Sony.
I have a similar predicament in that I have a Panny VT50 plasma, but y'know, I think going to a bigger TV with 4K and HDR should offset the advantages of an existing plasma.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sort of in the same boat, except I haven't bought my TV yet. Was all but set on the X900E, but now I'm, like you, thinking I kind of need DV so my TV won't feel out of date in a year.
HDR10 will be supported as a "fallback" on all DV discs and such, that's not the issue. But it seems like pretty much all studios are now going all-in on DV, and apparently (haven't seen it in person myself) it really does make a noticeable difference compared to regular HDR. So yeah, that X930E is starting to look more and more interesting. On top of that, I'm thinking I kinda need a 65", where before I thought 55" would be more than enough. Not set on that yet though.
But wow, I WISH it was just $400 more here (and that the X900E was just $1400, for that matter). Swedish prices:
X900E 55": 17K SEK / $2,000
X900E 65": 25K SEK / $3,000
X930E 55": 28K SEK / $3,400
X930E 65": 37K SEK / $4,500
So just to go from the 900 to the 930 at 55", I'd be paying $1,400 more.
*maniacal laughter*
Fuck Swedish TV prices.
Theonik
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Player reviews tend to be quite iffy, because the nature of the product makes it hard to get good measurements from it so have to rely on the experience of the reviewer. We've had some really bad players so far though. Xbox One, and the Samsung are two to avoid.
The current 'Holy Trinity' of sorts is the Panasonic DMP-UB900, Sony UBP-X800, or the Oppo UDP-203/5. Panasonic has the best quality overall with the Sony, and lastly the Oppo, but the Sony and Oppo support DV which is not worth much right now but might be something you want.
The Oppo had huge issues at launch. The Panasonic and Sony were better. I think those might be addressed in a FW update since though. The UDP-203 was certainly a disappointment.
Best bang for buck are the Panasonic UB300/400. Uses the same image processing as the flagship UB900 and many reviewers have said the IQ is identical the only difference being build quality and form factor.
I would highly recommend going for a standalone player over a One S, especially if you have no interest in the games. It does an Ok job but that is about it. The UI is clunky and slow, it's noisy and it's an ugly white box. You will get a much better user experience with a dedicated player.
My family went from two high end Panasonic plasmas(board failure) to two mid range 4k LEDs and it's a noticeable downgrade. OLED is really the only way to stay on par or better if you value picture quality.
RedAssedApe
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isn't oled just as bad as lcd for motion?
Theonik
Member
They are both sample and hold displays so yes. Though they have better pixel response rates. But LCDs have better options for handling motion. (in part due to their backlights and higher brightness)
Yikes. You're in a much tougher spot than me. 1400 dollars more?
I slept on it some and I'm just going to stick it out with my X900E. It's not like it's a bad tv all of a sudden. I'm actually in love with it after 3 days so I don't see myself ever returning it. And, like I said before, this was hard enough for me to afford. Returning it so I could spend more money just for Dolby Vision would be stupid.
Has Sony ever specifically said why the X900E isn't going to be updated with DV? I'm still confused as to why it's not good enough for it and I'm reading all sorts of conflicting info on what's required for DV.
SlaughterX
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Since when did the Sony support DV? I would go for the Sony if you csn find a "refurb" from Best Buy for $160... otherwise Xbox One S all day. It will have the best support as far as firmware updates go.
Only the TVs with the X1 Extreme processor are able to support DV, I think.
Regarding viewing distance remember it'a also dependant on your eyesight. Those tables are for 20/20, but people with better eyesight (20/15, for ex), can sit a bit further away (my case). Those who have worse eyesight have to sit wvwn closer.
I did the math some time ago for my case, you can find the resources on the internet.
I did the math some time ago for my case, you can find the resources on the internet.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yep. None of their TVs have dedicated hardware for DV, and only the TVs with the X1 Extreme processor (X930E and up) are powerful enough to do it through software.
Any of the Panasonic range are good, I went for ub700 but they've brought out two cheaper models now that have the same quality playback as the other machines just cosmetics are different.
Theonik
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The Sony player is getting DV with an update. Don't remember if it's gotten it yet but there is no DV content anyway so there is no rush. Oppo is on the same boat, launching without DV but getting it with a FW update. Xbox One S, was much worse at launch MS has updated it but it was to try and bring it closer to dedicated players. Overall it's the lesser choice, especially considering how long it took them to fix the sound and that the video is still not as good as dedicated players and there is no DV update announced for it anyway.
Ahh ok. I was reading all sorts of stuff last night Scott DV and couldn't quite understand what it actually required. That makes sense now.
For now, Im just going to roll with my X900E. If I get too caught up in trying to get a future proof tv, I'll never get a tv because something better is always around the corner. In a few years, I'll be looking to upgrade my bedroom tv to 4k and I'll grab something with all sorts of bells and whistles and reap the benefits from it then.
And thanks to everyone for the uhd player suggestions. I'm split on Panasonic and Sony right now. Hoping to catch a deal.