DarkJediKnight
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It's almost as if Jon is f'ing Dany with Jorah's pointy end...
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It's almost as if Jon is f'ing Dany with Jorah's pointy end...
Admiral Woofington
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does he? He wasn't around the Wall for long I can't recall. All I can expect is that he tries to find a middle ground between the two. I expect Melissandre to urge the queen that this is the bigger threat, but it's also true that while Cersei is in charge they can't just focus their whole effort on the white walkers lest they get attacked from the back as they do.
Hence a middle ground is formed. Danny requests loyalty that once the battle is over in the seven kingdoms that Jon will become the Warden of the North under her banner, Jon only swears that she will have his allegiance if she helps with the white walkers, she promises dragon glass, etc...
They were almost ready to revolt based on him simply going to speak to her, imagine how they would react to him giving up his crown to her.
Moff
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So we will get a lot of scenes this season to say farewell to characters for a minute and killing them off shortly after.
I feel my man Bronn will be among them.
I mean, who else is going to man the ballista? with his hotshot at the blackwater he is the realms best archer. He will say something witty with the words impregnate and a female slur and be roasted shortly after.
I feel my man Bronn will be among them.
I mean, who else is going to man the ballista? with his hotshot at the blackwater he is the realms best archer. He will say something witty with the words impregnate and a female slur and be roasted shortly after.
MurkyZebra2417
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There is logic, it is just not all 100% explained and maybe realistic. It's not like Euron came in with flying ships and shot a minigun or something. It is well within the world that something like this happens. Rob also won many battles with tactic and ambushes (capturing Jaime for example). It was also never 100% explained how he did it.
Admiral Woofington
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I expect the houses will not be happy, but ultimately maybe a white walker attack happens and they have to hold their tongue?
The Artisan
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I agree, however, he's hung around wildlings so much that at first I do not think he will bend the knee, because of Dany's entitled ass attitude.
She's gonna have to earn Jon's respect if he's gonna bow.
MisterShine
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You're literally quoting Lord of the Rings there, man. If you want to argue that LOTR isn't still among the best fantasy be my guest.
I thought it clear they were going for a frantic scene mirroring the confusion and chaos that the characters were feeling at this surprise attack, what with the swirling smoke and embers. I thought it looked great aesthetically but in terms of conveying a feeling to the viewer, it pretty clearly didn't work.
For some reason, other than the designated battle episodes, which are consistently great, and one-on-one fights, they miss on action scenes pretty frequently. Obviously this wasn't Water Gardens-level bad, but it's just weird they haven't gotten a whole lot better at it, other than when they really try on the actual battle episodes.
Thinking more about it, what on Earth are Dany's forces thinking?
They make this big entrance and landing on Westeros that everyone seems to know about. The Martell and Tyrell leaders are there. They make their plans. But wait.... Yara's got to sail all the way around the enemy-controlled waters to pick up the Dornish army and schlep them back to King's Landing. They deserve the beating they got. I don't think the Unsullied or Dothraki will hold up very well in Westeros, either.
They make this big entrance and landing on Westeros that everyone seems to know about. The Martell and Tyrell leaders are there. They make their plans. But wait.... Yara's got to sail all the way around the enemy-controlled waters to pick up the Dornish army and schlep them back to King's Landing. They deserve the beating they got. I don't think the Unsullied or Dothraki will hold up very well in Westeros, either.
Triggerhappytel
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A few things:
When Dany was laying out her plan in Dragonstone she didn't seem to know anything about Jon Snow or the happenings in the North. Surely she would have been briefed about it before this point?
Why is Jon being such a dick to Littlefinger? I know he obviously doesn't trust the guy but if it weren't for his aid Jon and his sister and all the Wildlings would be dead. He should be showing a little more respect and appreciation.
Euron Greyjoy is just awful. I don't like the character at all. He's comically OTT and it just doesn't jive with the rest of the show for me. Also they're trying to establish him as a new villain far too late on when the whole thing is due to wrap up in another 11 episodes.
When Dany was laying out her plan in Dragonstone she didn't seem to know anything about Jon Snow or the happenings in the North. Surely she would have been briefed about it before this point?
Why is Jon being such a dick to Littlefinger? I know he obviously doesn't trust the guy but if it weren't for his aid Jon and his sister and all the Wildlings would be dead. He should be showing a little more respect and appreciation.
Euron Greyjoy is just awful. I don't like the character at all. He's comically OTT and it just doesn't jive with the rest of the show for me. Also they're trying to establish him as a new villain far too late on when the whole thing is due to wrap up in another 11 episodes.
Admiral Woofington
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AAAAAAAAAH WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK
demosthenes
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I'm thinking maybe she'll be demanding him to bend the knee and will let up when one of her dragons steps in and wants to cuddle with Jon.
Now that I think about it, Tyrion doesn't know. Or at least he doesn't in the books. When he was Hand, Lord Commander Mormont sent that severed wight hand down to King's Landing to get help and Tyrion (wise Tyrion) kept the messenger (Thorne?) waiting for so long the hand decayed by the time he saw it. Stupid Tyrion.
That means only Mellisandre knows about the White Walkers in Dany's entourage. And probably Varys, but he won't care.
I didn't get that sense at all. They spoke two or three sentences in protest before Jon quieted them down by telling them he's their king and he's doing what's right. Revolt was what happened at the Wall. The Northern houses are pushovers.
I agree with everything you said. I don't think there was any logic leaps in that battle, just a happy coincidence. Nothing wrong with that. Just, generally, logic is important for storytelling. Even in fantasy.
That's definitely true. But Jon is (and should be) looking for a better ruler to kneel to.
Admiral Woofington
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I don't know what Littlefinger is planning, but I hope it isn't to turn Sansa against Jon.
I don't understand this at all. Why did they sail halfway around the world before decided on a strategy? It would have made so much more sense to have a plan before they landed in Dragonstone. It's like Dany doesn't realize it takes months to travel anywhere so she needs to get her shit together.
Littlefinger should take over the North with the Vale Army. Or just go back to the Vale with his army. Why is Royce still there anyway? They didn't get any reward for winning the battle and the Starks are treating Littlefinger like shit.
I mean... come on. He wouldn't have like 4000 shifty looks every time Sansa and Jon are in the same room with him if he wasn't. The guy is a straight up cheap caricature of a mastermind plotter behind the scenes now.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
You can see him smile when Jon tells Sansa she will be in charge, he will definitely make his move in the next couple episodes.
Moff
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I expected him to tell LF that he knows how he betrayed Ned, it's certainly something he could have learned while Slynt was there.
After the scene was done I felt LF got what he wanted, the more Jon mistrusts LF the more he mistrusts Sansa.
What do you think that international call rates are on Raven Cellular?
Latvian Hitman
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He just straight up admitted to Jon that he spent his whole life wanting to bone Kat, and now that she's gone, he wants to bone Sansa.
Given how fast ravens are flying around Westeros this season, I'm not sure cell phones are that much of an upgrade beyond being able to send dick pics and play Candy Crush.
Yeah. That was a weird thing to talk about.
I mean, in their defense, they did assign a naval escort, and they were probably still under the impression that Cersei lacked a serious fleet. It's plausible that they weren't aware of the alliance with Euron, and thought that he was still off on the West coast.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Anyone noticed how Dany's raven reached Winterfell before Sam's raven?
Moff
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it's the only weapon that can take down a mountain
It's his "gift" to Cersei
Admiral Woofington
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that's my worry though, at least have some goal that isn't just "I want to rule the kingdom along your sister who I want to bone".
Making enemies left and right is just so mustache twirling villain-y.
Preview stuff:
They're the gift for Cersei, the people who murdered her daughter. Euron is back in King's Landing in the preview.
Latvian Hitman
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I'm not sure the show runners could possibly have telegraphed their intention to do this any more than they have without using signage.
But will she be in the middle of taking a shit when it happens?
She'll ask Tyrion what happened to his whore and he'll shoot her with a ballista.
Especially when he tried to be everyone's friend in the first three seasons. Or at least appear that he was their friend. Now he's blatantly burning bridges for no reason.
Dusk Soldier
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Most of the army would be decimated in a situation like that.
Oldest Snake
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Which is why you know it's just a big fakeout.
Ah, must have missed that. Seems like a waste.
Then again I have little interest in show Dorne.
Admiral Woofington
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Is there anybody else left to rule Dorne or take charge?
Seems fairly certain these two characters won't escape, there are no friends left in King's Landing. Unless Theon somehow like steals a boat and rescues them.
Seems fairly certain these two characters won't escape, there are no friends left in King's Landing. Unless Theon somehow like steals a boat and rescues them.
I figure they'll likely just go back to being neutral and uninvolved.
It was a joke. whysoserious.gif
It does seem weird that there's apparently a Dornish army just sitting around waiting for orders now. I half expect Euron to offhandedly mention that he totally dropped by Dorne and killed them all just to tie up the loose end, but maybe Cersei will keep Ellaria alive and use her as a hostage to keep the Dornish army from leaving Dorne?
Then again, everything they've established about show-Dornish culture suggests that if you threaten their new princess, they'll just declare some other rando the new prince and launch a poorly planned attack against you anyway just out of spite.
The Artisan
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going by the trailers,
she does take some of the dragons to battle. but Jon will probably stay at Dragonstone.
Same is true for Dany. She needs allies too and she knows it, last season she even said she might have to marry someone. Both of them have been devoid of a romantic partner for a while now.
I get the feeling the poster above will be right and they'll write off Dorne with a simple, "Man our leaders have been getting fucked up left and right, how about we just stop sending them and you know, forget the whole revenge thing!"
The Artisan
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oh. I jumped in and kinda interjected the conversation you were having with other people so I thought you were serious.
Does the show subvert expectations still? Doesn't seem like it.
Dany has allies, though. Jon has almost nothing.
I think Jon leaving her to rule the North was/should be enough to foil any Littlefinger plots of turning her against Jon. Sansa also isn't trying to hear Littlefinger right now after Ramsey. I think she will string him along long enough to keep the armies of Vale on the Stark/North side.
Those are all valid points, but it's still piss poor strategy. The mini-Iron Fleet can't travel unnoticed, meaning they telegraphed every move of their inefficient battle plan. They also knew Euron would be after them, though they probably didn't expect he would command such a large fleet so quickly. It's hard to believe Tyrion would have signed off on this.
Are the Unsullied going to go across land or around by sea to get to Casterly Rock? I can't remember if they mentioned it. Neither seems appealing - die to the real Iron Fleet or march across a snowy landscape (one they aren't trained or accustomed to handle).
cj_iwakura
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There's an Unsullied joke to be made here.
Admiral Woofington
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we haven't even talked about Arya going to Winterfell. I assume she arrives and has a tearful reunion with Sansa. But we all know the real one anybody cares about is Arya and Jon. The two outcast/weirdo Starks.