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[Gnome]

apparently he did change but it's more subtle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxbMcy6noes

how different is Beric Dondarion in the books?

Beric is slowly becoming amnesiac I believe.

 

[The Artisan]

I struggled to get through the first book, but book 2 was one of the best books I ever read.

word, maybe i'tll get easier as the series progresses.

Martin has been super open about there being consequences for resurrection. Jon hasn't had any consequences. And every decision on the show is D&D's decision. They choose what to adapt, what to leave in the books, and how to do it.

the ending has to be the same though. it can't or just shouldn't be something completely different.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Martin has been super open about there being consequences for resurrection. Jon hasn't had any consequences. And every decision on the show is D&D's decision. They choose what to adapt, what to leave in the books, and how to do it.

The biggest change was with Cat-> LSH, but it seems to indicate that it was mostly because she had been dead for a while in a river, so her body had started to decompose when she was resurrected.

 

[Gigglepoo]

The biggest change was with Cat-> LSH, but it seems to indicate that it was mostly because she had been dead for a while in a river, so her body had started to decompose when she was resurrected.

Beric was a flamboyant knight when we first see him in King's Landing and later he's a grim man losing his memories and any grasp of who he once was.

Patchface was also an acrobat before he drowned. And still had his mind.

Did you read Martin's interview from a week ago where he talks about the consequences of resurrection and how cheap Gandalf's return felt?

 

[The Artisan]

Beric is slowly becoming amnesiac I believe.

Jon seems like he got stronger. He fought in a damn war and almost died again but didn't.

Beric was a flamboyant knight when we first see him in King's Landing and later he's a grim man losing his memories and any grasp of who he once was.

Patchface was also an acrobat before he drowned. And still had his mind.

Did you read Martin's interview from a week ago where he talks about the consequences of resurrection and how cheap Gandalf's return felt?

do you got a link to that interview? i thought jrrt was a big influence on grrm

 

[Gigglepoo]

do you got a link to that interview? i thought jrrt was a big influence on grrm

Nope, sorry. I think it was Time? And Martin does like Tolkein just doesn't like how he came back from the dead virtually unchanged.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Beric was a flamboyant knight when we first see him in King's Landing and later he's a grim man losing his memories and any grasp of who he once was.

Patchface was also an acrobat before he drowned. And still had his mind.

Did you read Martin's interview from a week ago where he talks about the consequences of resurrection and how cheap Gandalf's return felt?

No I didn't catch it.

I do expect Jon to change some, just not as much as people think, remember, Beric had been brought back several times when we see him again.

 

[The Artisan]

Beric is slowly becoming amnesiac I believe.

word, it doesn't seem like he's been losing his memory on the show though. just a weaker fighter.

Nope, sorry. I think it was Time? And Martin does like Tolkein just doesn't like how he came back from the dead virtually unchanged.

is it this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/george-rr-martin-coming-back-dead-should-change-characters/

it's strange how he uses Beric as an example of foreshadowing Jon, because in Jon's resurrection it seems like the opposite is true; Jon seems stronger than before he was killed.

 

[Gnome]

Jon just died in the book. He hasn't come back yet. We've yet to see what kind of price he'll pay for his return.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Here's Martin's interview where he talks about resurrection:

http://time.com/4791258/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-interview/

 

[jett]

Jon just died in the book. He hasn't come back yet. We've yet to see what kind of price he'll pay for his return.

He says "Ghost" before dying too, right? In the books he might actually warg into Ghost until Melisandre resurrects him.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Yeah. the whole prologue in ADWD seems to exist only to show what happens to a warg when they're killed. After reading that I was sure Jon or Bran was going to die, and figured it was likely to be Jon.

 

[jfkgoblue]

He says "Ghost" before dying too, right? In the books he might actually warg into Ghost until Melisandre resurrects him.

Almost assuredly he warged into Ghost, it was foreshadowed with Orell warging into the eagle when he died.

Which the show couldn't do because for some fucking reason they decided to not make Jon a warg.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

It totally will not just be so Jon can leave the watch. He will leave, sure, but that's not the only reason to bring him back. The books make it very apparent the changes that happen to people who are brought back to life. They are not the same, and Jon won't be the same. Unlike the show, where he is the exact same.

Hey now, he ties his hair back. Now that my friend, is change.

 

[Gnome]

Hey now, he ties his hair back. Now that my friend, is change.

He should try a topknot, the bald cunt.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

word, it doesn't seem like he's been losing his memory on the show though. just a weaker fighter.


is it this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/george-rr-martin-coming-back-dead-should-change-characters/

it's strange how he uses Beric as an example of foreshadowing Jon, because in Jon's resurrection it seems like the opposite is true; Jon seems stronger than before he was killed.

Man I forgot Jon hasn't come back yet in the books. That's how far behind they are ._.

 

[The Artisan]

Man I forgot Jon hasn't come back yet in the books. That's how far behind they are ._.

but on the show he didn't turn into a stannis.

 

[Gnome]

but on the show he didn't turn into a stannis.

Stannis also never got to be Stannis on the show.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Stannis also never got to be Stannis on the show.

Nothing against the actor, but he was poorly casted.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

but on the show he didn't turn into a stannis.

I mean, Stannis was badass in the books.

 

[KahooTs]

No I didn't catch it.

I do expect Jon to change some, just not as much as people think, remember, Beric had been brought back several times when we see him again.

Beric runs through everything he is forgetting. His mother, his home, who he was engaged to, foods he liked, etc. Basically everything he loved.

Which runs direct into.

Finally he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him.

From what he's willing to say in interviews GRRM isn't even really bothered by it being out there that Jon is coming back hard and cold as ice.

 

[The Artisan]

Stannis also never got to be Stannis on the show.

is he still gonna die in the books?

I mean, Stannis was badass in the books.

in the books too if he prays for Robb Stark's death then he still falls on the evil spectrum for me.

 

[Starphanluke]

but on the show he didn't turn into a stannis.

I will never forget people jumping on the Stannis bandwagon in season 5 and saying "Stannis the Family Mannis" and shit like that.
And then he burned his daughter alive 3 episodes later.

 

[The Artisan]

I will never forget people jumping on the Stannis bandwagon in season 5 and saying "Stannis the Family Mannis" and shit like that.
And then he burned his daughter alive 3 episodes later.

yeah so fuck him.

 

[Geist-]

Lmao at that final battle. No one can know a battle is happening until a ship is literally ramming them. Can't have any prep when a gigantic naval battle is about to happen, it has to be a literal surprise attack. And how the fuck did Euron know that ship was the one with Yara and Theon?

Everything to do with Dorne and Greyjoys is so fucking terrible.

The rest of the episode was pretty good though. Although I feel like D&D doesn't know what to do with Littlefinger any more.

in the books too if he prays for Robb Stark's death then he still falls on the evil spectrum for me.

Robb was literally in a war against him. It's called the War of the Five Kings for a reason. Wishing for the death of someone you're at war with seems pretty practical.

 

[The Artisan]

Robb was literally in a war against him. It's called the War of the Five Kings for a reason. Wishing for the death of someone you're at war with seems pretty practical.

Robb never wanted the iron throne though. He only wanted vengeance and was after the illegitimate king Joffrey, same target as Stannis's. They could've been allies, Stannis even admired Ned; but instead declared him an enemy. Fuck him.

 

[jfkgoblue]

Robb never wanted the iron throne though. He only wanted vengeance and was after the illegitimate king Joffrey, same target as Stannis's. They could've been allies, Stannis even admired Ned; but instead declared him an enemy. Fuck him.

Stannis wanted to ally with Robb, but Robb didn't think the Northern lords would accept him bending the knee to Stannis after crowning him KitN.

 

[The Artisan]

Stannis wanted to ally with Robb, but Robb didn't think the Northern lords would accept him bending the knee to Stannis after crowning him KitN.

exactly. so instead of feeling superior about it, he should've gone into the war looking at Robb as an equal instead of a subordinate.

 

[Brakke]

word, maybe i'tll get easier as the series progresses.

Nah. The first three are solid but the last two are bloated messes. 4 & 5 are basically one outrageously long book but one covers Westeros and the other covers Essos (kind of, the split is a bit more complicated than that, but it's split by geography).

If anybody thought it was lame that Bran just kind of disappeared for a season, they're not prepared for like a dozen major characters to disappear for a whole book.

 

[Starphanluke]

Is the same director directing the next episode? Cause that's where the real problems lied with this one.

 

[Faddy]

Nah. The first three are solid but the last two are bloated messes. 4 & 5 are basically one outrageously long book but one covers Westeros and the other covers Essos (kind of, the split is a bit more complicated than that, but it's split by geography).

If anybody thought it was lame that Bran just kind of disappeared for a season, they're not prepared for like a dozen major characters to disappear for a whole book.

Wow look at this huge book with new Tyrion and Dany chapters I've been waiting 10 years for. Wow Tyrion is heading to Mereen, can't wait until they finally meet!

Sunset found her....

Goddammit.

 

[duckroll]

Is the same director directing the next episode? Cause that's where the real problems lied with this one.

Mark Mylod's track record on GoT indicates he can direct drama well if it isn't badly written, but that he is terrible at set pieces and action.

In Season 5 he directed the episode where Jon executes Janos, which wasn't bad by any means, but then he followed that up by being the one who directs the shitastic death of Barristan. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame. In Season 6 he directed the episode with Ian McShane which reintroduces the Hound. Excellent episode with a great cold open and some solid cinematography. Of course he had to follow that up with the next episode which had the shitastic Arya vs Waif action set piece. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame.

This season he gets to start off with directing one of the worst action scenes on the series so far, which had bad establishment of setting and everything felt lame. Maybe it's all up from here. Unfortunately if the next one is bad too, it's going to hurt, because the next episode is 63 minutes long.

 

[Ri'Orius]

Patchface was also an acrobat before he drowned. And still had his mind.

Wait, was Patchface resurrected with magic? I just thought he nearly drowned but was CPR'ed back to life, albeit with some brain damage.

 

[Zabka]

Mark Mylod's track record on GoT indicates he can direct drama well if it isn't badly written, but that he is terrible at set pieces and action.

In Season 5 he directed the episode where Jon executes Janos, which wasn't bad by any means, but then he followed that up by being the one who directs the shitastic death of Barristan. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame. In Season 6 he directed the episode with Ian McShane which reintroduces the Hound. Excellent episode with a great cold open and some solid cinematography. Of course he had to follow that up with the next episode which had the shitastic Arya vs Waif action set piece. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame.

This season he gets to start off with directing one of the worst action scenes on the series so far, which had bad establishment of setting and everything felt lame. Maybe it's all up from here. Unfortunately if the next one is bad too, it's going to hurt, because the next episode is 63 minutes long.

Jesus Christ. He's the biggest villain the show has right now.

 

[KahooTs]

Wait, was Patchface resurrected with magic? I just thought he nearly drowned but was CPR'ed back to life, albeit with some brain damage.

He was just spat back up by the ocean. Like Aeron and Davos who also happen to hear voices they suppose are gods.

 

[Gigglepoo]

He was just spat back up by the ocean. Like Aeron and Davos who also happen to hear voices they suppose are gods.

Yeah, Martin explores resurrection in a few ways. We haven't even mentioned The Mountain yet or Jojen still living inside Bran (Bran sure loves cannibalism!) or Zombie Drogo.

 

[Massa]

in the books too if he prays for Robb Stark's death then he still falls on the evil spectrum for me.

Well, that's nothing compared to all the burning people alive shit.

 

[Brakke]

Stannis conceived a shadow baby to murder his brother.

Dude ain't right.

 

[Starphanluke]

Mark Mylod's track record on GoT indicates he can direct drama well if it isn't badly written, but that he is terrible at set pieces and action.

In Season 5 he directed the episode where Jon executes Janos, which wasn't bad by any means, but then he followed that up by being the one who directs the shitastic death of Barristan. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame. In Season 6 he directed the episode with Ian McShane which reintroduces the Hound. Excellent episode with a great cold open and some solid cinematography. Of course he had to follow that up with the next episode which had the shitastic Arya vs Waif action set piece. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame.

This season he gets to start off with directing one of the worst action scenes on the series so far, which had bad establishment of setting and everything felt lame. Maybe it's all up from here. Unfortunately if the next one is bad too, it's going to hurt, because the next episode is 63 minutes long.

Welp, that explains it.
Man, we are spoiled by Miguel Sapochnik. I miss him already,

 

[KD35Brah]

Mark Mylod's track record on GoT indicates he can direct drama well if it isn't badly written, but that he is terrible at set pieces and action.

In Season 5 he directed the episode where Jon executes Janos, which wasn't bad by any means, but then he followed that up by being the one who directs the shitastic death of Barristan. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame. In Season 6 he directed the episode with Ian McShane which reintroduces the Hound. Excellent episode with a great cold open and some solid cinematography. Of course he had to follow that up with the next episode which had the shitastic Arya vs Waif action set piece. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame.

This season he gets to start off with directing one of the worst action scenes on the series so far, which had bad establishment of setting and everything felt lame. Maybe it's all up from here. Unfortunately if the next one is bad too, it's going to hurt, because the next episode is 63 minutes long.

Are the episodes all going to be 60+ minutes long from here on out?

I remember reading that at a certain point the all the episodes will be longer.

 

[Cornballer]

Are the episodes all going to be 60+ minutes long from here on out?

No. The last two episodes of this season will be longer (71 & 81 min), though. The OP has a list of the runtimes.

 

[duckroll]

Welp, that explains it.
Man, we are spoiled by Miguel Sapochnik. I miss him already,

Hopefully he is directing all of Season 8. Lol.

 

[Fuzzy]

No. The last two episodes of this season will be longer (71 & 81 min), though. The OP has a list of the runtimes.

Nobody reads the OP, even when they're told to read the OP.


So, when's Cersei going to make an alliance with the Night King?

 

[Ocarina_117]

Stannis conceived a shadow baby to murder his brother.

Dude ain't right.

Dat peach monologue though.

Fucking love stannis. Biggest tragedy of the show imho. Perfectly cast and he was amazing in the first 4 seasons.

Best character in all of ASOIAF imho, would love a POV chapter.

Also how great would it be if GRRM gave us a POV chapter of young hodor as the hold the door scene happens. Pages of nothing but hold the door becoming hodor. The scene in season 6 moved me to tears, GRRM has still got it imho, especially when reading the preview chapters of Wow.

 

[Noema]

I like how GRRM explains that Beric (and presumably Jon) are not that different from wights. They were not so much resurrected but rather reanimated. Their blood is congealed. Their hearts don't beat. They might not even breathe.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Mark Mylod's track record on GoT indicates he can direct drama well if it isn't badly written, but that he is terrible at set pieces and action.

In Season 5 he directed the episode where Jon executes Janos, which wasn't bad by any means, but then he followed that up by being the one who directs the shitastic death of Barristan. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame. In Season 6 he directed the episode with Ian McShane which reintroduces the Hound. Excellent episode with a great cold open and some solid cinematography. Of course he had to follow that up with the next episode which had the shitastic Arya vs Waif action set piece. Bad action scene, bad establishment of setting, everything felt lame.

This season he gets to start off with directing one of the worst action scenes on the series so far, which had bad establishment of setting and everything felt lame. Maybe it's all up from here. Unfortunately if the next one is bad too, it's going to hurt, because the next episode is 63 minutes long.

Yep, while I was disappointed in the direction of the naval attack, I sadly wasn't surprised due to Mark's track record with action set pieces on this show.

 

[The Artisan]

Well, that's nothing compared to all the burning people alive shit.

 

[Brakke]

I like how GRRM explains that Beric (and presumably Jon) are not that different from wights. They were not so much resurrected but rather reanimated. Their blood is congealed. Their hearts don't beat. They might not even breathe.

Show-Jon deffo breathes tho. And book-Jon is still dead.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I dont understand why melisandre didn't mention to dany "oh yeah, this Jon snow guy, he died and resurrected, pretty crazy right "

 

[Fonds]

Almost assuredly he warged into Ghost, it was foreshadowed with Orell warging into the eagle when he died.

Which the show couldn't do because for some fucking reason they decided to not make Jon a warg.

That would be the most blatant Robin Hobb - Assassins Quest ripoff ever.