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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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The Artisan
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what changes happened with the Greyjoys and Dorne? Who did Robb marry in the book? I heard she was a Lannister spy.
distances too? so then what, his earth shrank?
There's really too much to cover. In the books, Doran isn't such a putz. He had a long-term plan to ally with the Targaryens and wreck the Lannisters. He sends his son off to marry Dany (he gets roasted by dragons, the useless git). There are a couple more factions in Dorne: instead of killing Myrcella Lannister, one tries to assert the Dornish tradition of women being allowed to inherit and thereby proclaim Myrcella Queen after Joff dies, instead of Tommen. There's also this dude Darkstar, who is of the night.
Iron Islands similarly have more factions. There's Yara (called Asha) and Euron but then there's Victarion, Euron's brother who's a berserker lunatic (one of his arms gets turned into lava?) and then Damp Hair, the high priest of the Drowned God who sort of conspires against Euron calling him godless. Book-Euron instead of being a jolly pirate is spookier in the books. He's deep into magic and sorcery and he has relics from Old Valyria and the crew of his ship all have their tongues cut out so they can't talk about him.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
one of the reasons why it takes martin so long to write the winds of winter is his crippling depression resulting from the negative reception to darkstar.
The Artisan
Member
damn, I knew they changed Yara's name and that show Euron got a little nerf'd but those are some pretty big differences. It's interesting you say that there were factions in Dorne because a while ago I used to think if they split Dorne into factions like the Ironborn that would've been better too, instead of the shit storyline we got with them
I thought he was just cutting a large section off to run tests or use that piece for the antidote. I wouldn't think it all needed to be cut off.
ResidentWeevil13
Member
Nah, I'm pretty sure Sam says the cure is to cut off all the infected skin. Some secret cure, ammirite?
BetterThanNothing
Member
The bastille already existed in the show itself when they defended the wall against giants. It's fucking dumb as hell. The ancient, completely neglected, and openly mocked night's watch was battlements right there on the wall and make an incredible shot, like a fucking mile away, manned by the rejected and the criminal.
It's just fucking lazy. But whatever, they wasted like 1/15 of the entire runtime to show a eunuch giving a pointless character head. It's becoming more of a typical HBO show by the episode, it's becoming too easy to spot the filler. That shit was like a scene from a high budget Starz show.
It's just fucking lazy. But whatever, they wasted like 1/15 of the entire runtime to show a eunuch giving a pointless character head. It's becoming more of a typical HBO show by the episode, it's becoming too easy to spot the filler. That shit was like a scene from a high budget Starz show.
Kind of, she was a daughter of an old Lannister bannerman, a very old house, but not a powerful one at all.
It's generally accepted that her mother(a woman from Volantis iirc) brokered a deal with Tywin to get her to sleep with Robb and get him to break his promise with the Freys(which was obviously successful). She also secretly gave her daughter moon tea (birth control in the books) to prevent Robb from profitable heir.
It still pains me to this day that they cut Arienne from the show... like how?
The Artisan
Member
but...this girl still dies?
She doesn't die.
The Artisan
Member
she wasn't at the red wedding???
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nope, Sam said he had to remove all of the infected tissue.
Jeyne Westerling did not attend because he knew it would offend the Freys to bring her.
Nope, they didn't think it would be wise to provoke Walder with the woman Robb spurned him for.
Why would anyone be stupid enough to take the wife who represents his broken promise to a wedding? That would just flout Robb's betrayal in Frey's face.
The Artisan
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that's a pretty huge departure from the red wedding depicted on the show.
Finn of Ooo
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I don't think the point of the greyscale cure was to be mysterious. They kept the tome locked away because it's an obscure disease that killed the last maester who tried to cure it and thus wanted to discourage others (especially trainees) from becoming contaminated.
The Artisan
Member
no thanks
There are a lot of moments in the show that are basically what happened in the books (like the Red Wedding) but are still pretty damn different. That's why I'm not at all concerned about spoiling the books. Sure, Jon will come back, but it won't be the same, right? Though it will be mighty hard to make Hold the Door as impactful as the show did. That was some damn fine filmmaking. But there will still be other elements surrounding that reveal that were absent from the show. It's just how adaptations work.
I'm getting my canons confused: Was it the book or the show that maesters all across Westeros went to Dragonstone to cure Shireen? Because that was certainly presented as a mystery.
Yeh Arianne is basically sexposition, the character. She lays about naked, scheming away pretty often.
Anyway changing Dorne for the show made sense because every book storyline involving Dorne goes nowhere fast. The Martells are a bunch of incompetent rubes who coulda won something if they'd ever just talked to one another. What Dorne changed to... was also bad tho. So. Oops!
Anyway changing Dorne for the show made sense because every book storyline involving Dorne goes nowhere fast. The Martells are a bunch of incompetent rubes who coulda won something if they'd ever just talked to one another. What Dorne changed to... was also bad tho. So. Oops!
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah even in the books Dorne is a pile of nothing.
Like...the only plot thread that was interesting for Dorne involved Darkstar.
Like...the only plot thread that was interesting for Dorne involved Darkstar.
Ros8105
Member
Doran is a badass incompetent rube though beneath his weakened exterior.
Vengeance. Fire and blood.
Still gives me chills.
And no Dorkstar/Quentin is a darn shame, if only for the missed meme opportunities.
Veritigo_X
Member
The worst omission from the show has to be Vargo Hoat. I mean, the dude rides a fucking zebra.
I like Dorne....
I still remember Mallory Rubin on a podcast for Grantland before Season 5. When asked which new characters would everyone fall in love with (like Oberyn Martell the season before), she said the Sand Snakes. And she wasn't wrong. The Sand Snakes should have been awesome. Dorne is great in the books even though we haven't seen where the storylines are headed yet.
I still remember Mallory Rubin on a podcast for Grantland before Season 5. When asked which new characters would everyone fall in love with (like Oberyn Martell the season before), she said the Sand Snakes. And she wasn't wrong. The Sand Snakes should have been awesome. Dorne is great in the books even though we haven't seen where the storylines are headed yet.
Still salty about this, yeah let's replace a crazy mercenary with some random Bolton soldier.The worst omission from the show has to be Vargo Hoat. I mean, the dude rides a fucking zebra.
Yeah don't get me wrong, Doran gives some great speeches and I was pulling for him. I thought Siddig would've been great for it too.
Except for the godawful fights and the emphasis on the Dornish brood of bitches, I did like the show sending Jaime to Dorne. Got to bro out with Bron, got to have a scene with one of his kids, got to have a fight (in the books he's only sparred with Payne since losing his arm, right?).
Except for the godawful fights and the emphasis on the Dornish brood of bitches, I did like the show sending Jaime to Dorne. Got to bro out with Bron, got to have a scene with one of his kids, got to have a fight (in the books he's only sparred with Payne since losing his arm, right?).
The most interesting plot line related to Dorne is the one that we barely know anything of - the sand snake "playing a game" and posing as a maester-in-training at the Citadel. I want to know more about her deal and, of course, the faceless man assassin there.
Though I did like some of Dorne in the books. I like Arianne and I enjoyed some of Quentyn's travels and utter failures.
Though I did like some of Dorne in the books. I like Arianne and I enjoyed some of Quentyn's travels and utter failures.
The worst omission from the show has to be Vargo Hoat. I mean, the dude rides a fucking zebra.
Speaking of odd mounts, we aren't getting unicorns, are we?
I really liked how she kept thinking (and thus the reader) that Doran was out to get her and deny her Dorne, but in the end he revealed a master plan all along.
hendersonhank
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I read the books and I literally could not tell you who that is or what she (?) did, so that's how!
She was a POV character... how?
Johnlenham
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IIRC, he asks the guy measter an he says "the dude who wrote that book died of the disease"
I would also imagine in the pristine conditions they all live in, cutting off what looks like about an inch of flesh off of about 70% of your upper body MAY just lead to an infection that kills you. Not even mentioning the agony of it all.
Sultry Dornish princess, made that Kingsguard fall in love with her and tried to start a rebellion to put Myrcella on the throne.
Yeah, she has several PoV chapters so she's kinda hard to forget.
Also heir to Dorne.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Rad Shadow
Banned
So I'm not the only one who thinks Darkstar was/is gonna be cool.
It's gonna suck when he dies.
It's gonna suck when he dies.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
That's a damn fact.
Veritigo_X
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The scene of him taking a shit on the champion of Meereen would've been legendary.
What could've been...
That doesn't even seem to be that good of a strategy. A dragon's scales are going to be hard as shit too so the bolt will have to penetrate the scales first.
For as much as the show's been coy about lesbians lately, it's pretty striking that we haven't had anything close to a proper babe-on-babe relationship. Books are chock-full of Dany boning down with hand maids and Cersei getting her carpet munched.
If anything comes back from the books, let it be the Myrish Swamp lady.
If anything comes back from the books, let it be the Myrish Swamp lady.
And that shitting incident is why he was poisened later.
It's weird, they make Dany completely straight in the show, while making the completely straight Asha, bisexual on the show. It's fulfilling a stereotype that "tough girls like girls" IMO.
Oldest Snake
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Speaking of odd mounts, we aren't getting unicorns, are we?
I'd kill for an ice spider.
LordKasual
Banned
something tells me this is pre-antibiotics, so he's probably dead either way
unless magic
damn bro, calm down
i enjoyed that scene
Speaking of odd mounts, we aren't getting unicorns, are we?
We might only get unicorns in A Song of Ice and Fire when Davos goes to Skagos. They cut Skagos in the show so we probably won't see unicorns, either.