Just watch him end up as the new Night King.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Just watch him end up as the new Night King.
The Artisan
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yeah, i'll agree with you there. when last week's episode started i was surprised (and annoyed) to see how hard she was grilling Varys.
but hopefully they'll make it relevant for next episode. when Jon shows up, Varys should try to help his case by saying something like "my queen, when king Robert was ordering your assassination, yes, the assassination that I was orchestrating, this young man's father was the only one in the room trying to stop it. he even gave up his power of King's Hand because he did not believe in killing, what he believed to be, an innocent girl across the narrow sea."
what I meant basically if he fully realizes the threat, because he doesn't seem to care. if he's smart, like truly that intelligent then his next move would be to get rid of this threat first before he makes any more moves for the throne.
VenomousCoffee
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When Dany was giving Varys all that shit last week, his response should have been "But I'm the one who clued Jorah into the fact we'd sent an assassin by having a little bird give him the pardon at the same time."
But shrug.
But shrug.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Eh knowing him, he could wait until all of it is over (the true war) and then have some moves come on up afterwards. Ruler of the Ashes as Varys put it.
The Artisan
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the rest of the white walkers would start hating his ass and kill him anyway.
LF doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would want to be ruler of the ashes.
Thats always been the point about Little Finger. You think he is done, but he always has some sort of magic trick upon his sleeve. Lord Baelish is never done scheming, untill he is dead.
So the sword is back with House Dayne, is not Valyrian Steel, and there goes any theories of it being somewhere in Winterfall. Why then did they focus on it to that degree?
Ah, she sorta is. She is the Khaleesi to the unified Dothraki, so yes Dany is a Khaleesi to them in particular.
lol
People like you is why this show is so damn safe. Tywin is evil for burning villages but Dany is a god for burning children alive with her dragons. WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
What children did Dany burn with Dragons? Are you seriously equating Drogan acting like a wild animal and killing a child, to Tywin ordering the destruction of not just villages, but also the sacking (plus rape and pillage) of King's Landing, and his destruction of two noble houses years earlier? You remember the story right? Every man, woman, and child of those houses were killed by order of Tywin Lannister; there's even a Westerosi hit single about it. So yeah, he's fucking evil as shit.
It's a nod to book readers. I can't say more without breaking the thread rules, but I'm guessing its inclusion was an "oh shit!" moment for them. I haven't read the books but I was spoiled by a video that covered this. It's meaning is nothing that we don't know now, but like I said, just a nod for them. I'll PM you if you like.
That's not really how Dothraki laws work. They call her Khaleesi and she called herself Khaleesi, but that doesn't make it true. And even then, she 'united' the Dothraki last season, but they also called her Khaleesi from season 2 to season 5.
I can also call myself King Rolfgang, rightful ruler to the Seven Provinces and lord of all that is men, but that's still a bunch of lies.
Nameless
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Exactly there are a lot of things people ignored:
-there was a storm on one horizon and a full moon on another
-Euron's fleet shot flares and firebombs which better lit the seas
-Euron is an experienced pirate and a Greyjoy, he knows Yara's flagship and their formations
-We last saw Euron leaving King's Landing which is a piss distance away from Dragonstone. And with it being the Narrow Sea the shipping lanes South would be rather predictable.
This show isn't perfect and there's plenty of valid criticism to be made, but for the past few seasons Sunday night through Tuesday these threads are filled with scorching hot takes and nitpicks that either leave out details covered in the show if not the episode, and/or don't even attempt to work things out logically before screaming plothole or lazy writing.
Let's be honest here and mention that the only non Dothraki person calling her Khaleesi between Season 2 and 5 was Jorah Mormont lol. She still had a khalasar, so I don't see what's wrong with those who chose to stay with her calling her by that title. What exactly were the Dothraki that were with her supposed to call her by?
Reading the GoT's wiki indicates that the Khal's wife never loses the title upon her husband's death. She would always be a Khaleesi, just that she has to go serve at Vas Dothrak. So technically Dany is now a Khal to the Dothraki (I didn't realise that Khaleesi is both wife of and can substitute for queen depending on the Khalasar).
Edit: Well according to Khal Moron she would be a Khaleen after Drogo's death. But Jorah nor Dany knew that until season 6. The Dothraki that were with her seem to have also not known. But all in all, she's the undisputed Dothraki lord now lol.
I stand corrected then, thnx.
About Euron...Wasn't he in season 6 already introduced very briefly as the God of the Sea? So I think its fair to say he is a better pirate then Sandsnakes ,.Yara and no cock Theon
The Dothraki would have known she had become a Khaleen. That's basic knowledge for the Dothraki, it's their own tradition. It's the same as not knowing who your own president is.
Yet no one brought up anything about Vas Dothrak and the Khaleesi retirement home, until we met bootleg Khal Drogo and his merry band. Her Dothraki hand maid still called her Khaleesi, as did her loveable bodyguard (did we ever find out who it was that killed him?).
Grinchy
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I can't completely remember the specifics, but didn't the Greyjoys have like 1000 ships and Yara took ~100 of the fastest ones when she left? That's a lot of ships for Euron to have at his command to destroy Yara's little fleet.
The problem is that the specifics are muddled and the fight wasn't shot well. It wasn't just Yara's ships that Dany was using. They had a bunch already, combined with the ships from House Tyrell. You couldn't tell how many ships were being sent out for the King's Landing part of their game plan. How were the ships split between the 2 parts of their plan? Did they lose half of their ships in that attack? Did they only send a small fraction? I still don't understand the specifics.
The problem is that the specifics are muddled and the fight wasn't shot well. It wasn't just Yara's ships that Dany was using. They had a bunch already, combined with the ships from House Tyrell. You couldn't tell how many ships were being sent out for the King's Landing part of their game plan. How were the ships split between the 2 parts of their plan? Did they lose half of their ships in that attack? Did they only send a small fraction? I still don't understand the specifics.
I honestly think it was a small fraction. She already had the slaver's ship won by the time Yara and Theon showed up (these would be the ships with the Targaryen sigils at the end of last season). Plus Dorne and the Reach sent even more ships to ferry her forces across. This was more than likely Yara's ships that got ambushed.
The 'retirement home' was already brought up when Dany was eating a heart in Vaes Dothrak where they checked her out. That her Dothraki advisors didn't point that out was probably because of the fact they didn't feel like serving in the band of one of Drogo's bloodriders. Or worse, getting slain as sacrifice. Don't forget that her handmaids were still just slaves given to her by Drogo, so that meant they were forfitted automatically to his bloodriders.
The plan explicitly said that it would be the Iron Fleet that ferried the soldiers from Dorne. No reason to expect and Tyrell or Slaver ships were among the ones he destroyed. They're likely busy guarding Dragonstone and ferrying the Unsullied to Casterly Rock.
Freshmaker
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It's going to be about her destroying the north.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Khal don't seem to have much in the way of legitimate political power over their own hordes; the only way we've seen them be able to maintain order is by being physically tougher and stronger than everyone else.
LukasTaves
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I'm not talking about wildfire existing, I'm talking about how they only setup for them to find that the city was surrounded of it right when it was needed. And even then it was a plat that had way more development than the ballista, because as you said, they developed it since the 3rd season.
My complaint was that they made it again the: let's bring this up because we are going to need in a few episodes, only this time it was brought out of the blue.
Cornballer
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- Inside Game of Thrones: Battling the Silence (youtube vid)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Why is Pilou Asbaek giving this interview wearing his hot topic outfit?
Isn't that completely intentional? It was an ambush.
Summer Haze
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Euron is a trash-tier villain and actor, he cheapens the show for me. I hope he dies asap.
darkwing-buck
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Yeah, you can't build tension when the point was to surprise people.
Grinchy
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It's always fun to see how much work goes into creating a scene like this that we all just complain about lol
Ros8105
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He's been the best surprise this season for me. I loved him, and his crazy over-the-top performance.
darkwing-buck
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You know what was surprising? The Red Wedding.
You spent a whole episode with those characters, building to that point. Even the surprise itself had a music cue letting you know something was about to happen.
Summer Haze
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agreed, his hamming it up makes GOT full anime now
It doesn't help that he looks like an angry cat.
Vincent Alexander
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I called that shit happening a season before it happened. I wasn't certain how it would happen, but I called who would do it and where. Then when they said they were going there...
"Here it comes"
Only 2 things that have surprised me this show, in a good way: Ded Ned and Hodor Door. And they were both fantastic. My nips still get hard thinkin' about that Hodor scene.
Different scenes called for different ways to tell the story. Are we to spend a whole episode just on their boat like the Red Wedding? Was Yara supposed to sit outside, then hear a band playing Euron's theme, and know something was gonna happen? The tension comes from the actual battle because we've no idea who is going to survive, while the Red Wedding comes from the build up.
If this is how the conversation is going to go then I'll bow out.
No, I don't expect it to happen exactly like the Red Wedding, why would I?
I'm saying even surprise moments can have build up, and are all the better for it. The ship battle had no build up whatsoever, and on top of it all was shot like somebody who had half as much of Sapochnik's talent trying to mimic his style.
This whole season, but that episode in particular, felt rushed to me. One of the best aspects of the show in my opinion is the slow build up to "Oh shit" moments.
Like I said, though, the Red Wedding was, indeed, building tension to what was going to happen but the battle's intention wasn't to build up tension to it, so I'm not sure why listing ways The Red Wedding did that is applicable to the battle. One builds up, the other you're not supposed to see coming, and it's supposed to catch you and the characters off-guard, that doesn't work if we're given queues through music, editing or cinematography that something is about to happen. It was shot to make it seem like a normal dialogue scene between everyone until it's not.
Come on now.
Sure. He just had his head cut off and put on a spike. A few weeks rest and he'd be good as new.
The way it happened is storytelling fit for The Walking Dead, not Game of Thrones.
Am I to believe Yara's entire crew is so inept that not one person saw those ships coming, in the middle of the sea?
Yeah I don't believe it myself. But Jon was resurrected. And what else was the whole point 1.5 season ago for Bran seeing all those flashbacks about his father and his uncle fighting the Thargearyns? And correct me If I am wrong but wasn't the whole point that that Great Tree tought Bran that he could change the past/future?
The Red Wedding has several beats meant to deliberately put you at unease and let you know something bad of some sort is about to happen. The song they had previously established as the "Lannister song" starts playing and guards close the door, which Catelyn sees. Then Walder starts making a speech, and Roose starts giving Catelyn creepy "Check out my sleeve" eyes. She pulls up his sleeve and reveals he's wearing battle armor under his clothes. You are TOLD stuff is about to go wrong leading up to it, to build tension.
The boat battle was set up as a complete surprise to the characters and audience. It's lesser characters, the sequence is a much smaller scene, and the ramifications are way smaller to the overall political standings of the entire series. Of course they'll be executed differently.
One moment is a genre shattering moment that defines a series in the popular culture, the other is a regular action scene that closes a regular episode.
You couldn't see the boat until it was right next to them because of the fog.
https://youtu.be/U9j1ljA5gfU?t=2m58s
Nameless
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The clever thing about The Red Wedding, besides the way it convincingly established peace between the Starks and the Freys which lowered the viewer's guard, was that the episode was very clearly building towards Arya reuniting with her family. Even in the way they shot some of those feast scenes it felt like it was about to cut to her walking through those doors ....until they shut.
For those who want to know, now I just read it.
Short summary: Jaquen/The Faceless Men
Here is the link:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a56104/ned-stark-alive-game-of-thrones/
Short summary: Jaquen/The Faceless Men
Here is the link:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/news/a56104/ned-stark-alive-game-of-thrones/
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