FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
He might because Sansa is prettier than Little Finger? Robin seems like the kind of guy who'd do that.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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He might because Sansa is prettier than Little Finger? Robin seems like the kind of guy who'd do that.
Also, aren't Sansa and Robin relatives?
VenomousCoffee
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why even have direwolves on the show in the first place then
if it is all about appeasing potential new viewers how are the millions+ of viewers who are familiar with the direwolves on screen supposed to feel about their nonchalant disappearance?
That could just be the kid of mid-journey course correction that businesses do with project budgets all the time.
HBO has spent a ton of money (relative to their overall size) on a show that is currently dominating the pop culture landscape and is also seen as being (generally) high quality. To the people setting these budgets, some ugly wolves on screen a few minutes a year aren't even on the radar.
Again, just guessing.
Sansa would need to pull off some insane Jedi mind tricks to win him over Littlefinger.
iShouldGoPro
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Or just pull the camera footage of Baelish pushing his mommy out of the moon door...
Robdraggoo
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Whoa, sir Royce had a son at the wall? I didn't know this.
The Artisan
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Yes I did. Whether or not you are satisfied with what I said is your problem. Robin cares about Sansa, if she has something to say to him, he will hear her out; and Sansa has been developed enough at this point that she'll probably know how to convince Robin to side with her.
They were even down to get married. Both of them, mutually.
"she's my cousin. we should help her."
Yeah, in the grand scheme of things perhaps the direwolves don't matter but for fans like me who care, it does matter since I have been following the show from the beginning and want more out of the direwolves on screen; as does, clearly, many others.
The Artisan
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yeah, according to the wiki, that pompous dude who was all "get your ass back on the horse" in the cold opening of the entire series, was Royce's son.
edit: sorry for double post
those pups look fine to me. if they can manage to pull off direwolves with their current budget than they should have. as long as they don't look like the deer from the walkin dead which nothing in thrones ever has
Oh my god
Royce is gonn get him the Blurays.
soundscream
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LOL you don't think that was all LF's influence at work?
The Artisan
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yeah.
LF still needed Robin to say "we should help her" he didn't have to any seed planting in Robin's head to bring the knights of the Vale. They came because Robin ordered it, and he ordered it coz he cares about her.
soundscream
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The seed was she wont be safe at castle black.
I dont know how you cant see he has him wrapped around his finger in this scene
https://youtu.be/qsUy5X9tUlQ
VenomousCoffee
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That Walking Dead gif is mesmerizing. It's like a deer from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom wandered into a modern High Def series.
In the very video I linked Dayne plants the sword right between himself and Ned. Right in the middle of the shot.
The next time Bran visits the scene to see what happened up in the tower...
Chekov's sword gets rested at the foot of Liana's bed, centre frame. It's blatantly making a comeback.
Ned rests the sword in front of the camera and is the one thing in focus. But whatevs... as long as I'm not being accused of being a book reader for shit that is right in the show, I'm good. I just thought it could be an interesting thread to look into and discus.
Honestly I think it's kinda silly how people are getting all nit-picky all of the sudden. I'm sure you could go back through season by season and pick at things. Like probably the best received episode, Battle of the Bastards, had Jon standing in the middle of a battlefield alone with thousands of horses running at him from both sides, and he magically just sidesteps through all of that. Where you up in arms about that? Because to me it makes more sense that an experienced sea exile could find and track a boats with ironborn sigals that he knew was at dragonstone than that.
VenomousCoffee
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Yeah, when a show has produced 60 hours or whatever of content, there are always going to be plot holes. Doubly so for shows with a lot of plot twists. It's all about picking your battles (terrible, sorry!).
You can nitpick early on sure, but the groundwork for everything was laid out beforehand.
This season in particular is feeling really rushed, and I can't imagine being able to sneak up with an army of boats. Battle of the Bastards was an entire episode of build up and anticipation.
I'm sorry for jumping the gun with regards to book stuff. I was trying to cut off book discussion at the pass since the inclusion of the sword and the very image you posted is a nod to book readers that I was spoiled on. I was trying to spare the thread from book talk, not get you into trouble.
I don't agree at all. I don't need to see Euron tailing them and telling his men that they'll ambush them at night. Again I find it way more believable that an experienced sea pirate can ambush unsuspecting boats in the dead of night, than Jon standing in the middle of a thousand horse sandwich and walking out.
The Artisan
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the scene still showed me that Robin cares about Sansa, Baelish needed to be there to tell him what's going on with her now. And they both wanted her wellbeing, so it worked out.
No harm, no foul. So no worries. Kinda wish I did have the time to read those massive tomes though, but between working 6 days a week right now and all my vidya games, that ain't gonna happen. I was spoiled on Joffrey's death and its gotten a lot harder to distinguish what's a genuine book reveal, vs. show material, vs promotional/DVD extras as the seasons have stacked up.
The quality of the series have dropped extremely after season 4. The dialogues, decisions of characters, completely forgotten history between characters and yes, a whole lot of 'nit-picky things'.
For me the best episode is Battle of Blackwater Bay and the Battle of the Bastards doesn't even come close to that episode.
You don't have to see Euron, that scene could have used some tension built up though.
Show his ships waiting for them in the distance to give the viewers some sense of dread for these character's lives. It would be too late for them to turn back, and you could have given each of them a moment of screentime to reinforce what drives them.
Instead his ships attack without warning in the middle of the ocean, and we had a moment of nothingess between Yara and Ellaria with Theon as window dressing.
The Artisan
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sounds like season 5 was the worst season, perhaps it was but the series was upped again with season 6
A bit, but never above the first couple of seasons.
soundscream
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The writing is better but everything else its not even a contest.
The Artisan
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season 1 kinda bored me when i first started. i think season 6 is the best season. with Jon and Dany about to meet, season 7 is tracking to be even better.
Time for Sansa to pull a Margaery.
I detest Dany with every bone in my body (and the fact that people still call her Khaleesi, altough she isn't a Khaleesi anymore since season 1). So the greater focus on her is not a plus in my point of view.
Stannis, Tywin, Roose, now those were some great characters!
The Artisan
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Stannis was a scum fuck who prayed for Robb Stark's death and burned his daughter alive
Tywin is a power hungry war monger motherfucker who employs the mountain to burn villages
Roose Bolton, among many "detestable" things that can be said about him, I'll just mention one: is a rapist
Fuck them all.
Jon x Daenerys is all that matters
Yes they did some deplorable stuff, but that makes them real characters. People in history did stuff like that, not acting like goody two shoes all the time. The world of Westeros isn't like Middle-Earth, where characters were black or white (except for Boromir, which is why he was such a great character). People are grey, who do good ánd bad things, be it for survival, their own sense of 'good' or other reasons.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I just feel like Littlefinger's story isn't going anywhere; he feels like he has nothing to do with the plot beyond leaning against walls and giving knowing looks at this point, and it simultaneously feels like the plot doesn't have time to give him anything to do.
The Artisan
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They're all real characters, I think what you meant is they are not one dimensional characters.
Even if Westeros is not Middle Earth, all this shit is all still fictional, and all fake. So it was satisfying as fuck to finally see the villain last season get fucked.
You can mary your cousin in USA right?
The Artisan
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I know a girl whose engaged and (she's not marrying her cousin but) her parents are cousins
pretty done
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lol
People like you is why this show is so damn safe. Tywin is evil for burning villages but Dany is a god for burning children alive with her dragons. WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
Well, even though it's fictional, a lot of characters and events are based on English or British history. The Black Dinner/Red Wedding is the most obvious, but there is tons of stuff like that.
I was in Germany in the spring and they got a replica of the armor of an Austrian knight at the castle of Cochem. The guy was 2,31m. Today a giant, but back in medieval times a goddamn titan. Or dare I say a... Mountain?
Sleeping Lesson
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Throughout the series he has always been making moves and hatching schemes. Now it's like he didn't expect to get this far and has no idea what to do.
I'm sure something is going to go down while Jon's gone, but I agree that so far his plot is lame this season.
The Artisan
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"people like me" want the direwolves to play a bigger role. so if the show is "safe" coz of me where the fuck are the direwolves my man?
Dany is not a god. What is a god to a nonbeliever?Tywin is evil for burning villages but Dany is a god for burning children alive with her dragons. WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
Dany was visibly shook as fuck when she found out her dragons burned children alive; she locked them up for that. She might've even teared up. Tywin on the other hand orders such things to happen. So fuck him.
key words: based on English or British history. The way they normalize the show with politics makes for good entertainment, but at the end of the day that's its purpose; entertainment. It's not education or history lessons.
That's more of a Shelbyville thing.
I remember that,for me I was one of the cringe worthy shit of the show. I was disgusted at there whole relationship.In some states you can. Also:
Anyway I really hated season 5. I hope this season won't go that way.
True, but personally for me, grey characters are more believable and thus, for me, provide better entertainment compared to Dany, Jon and the likes.
The Artisan
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Jaime is still kinda grey. Dany is tiptoeing towards grey too with her throwing around power driven threats and demands.
LegendofDragoonLives
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I mean.. the last two times I thought that, he had a King killed and we found out he's the one that orchestrated this era's entire game of thrones. Don't sleep on LF
The Artisan
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there's not much chaos he can cause himself when the night king is south of the wall. does he even know about the winter threat?
Jaime is indeed a great character. He remains loyal to his sister, but is strongly voiced in his doubts and opinion, which he is not afraid to share with others.
What I don't like about Dany is that her 'hard ruler' moments are coming across really strange. Like the stuff with Varys, why not voice those suspicions earlier? Why cast the seed of doubt right before one of the hardest moments in her career as Queen? It isn't really good advertisement for an invading Queen to burn loyal advisors alive from one day to the other.
I'm sure he knows. Just how much he believes is another story.
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