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Spielberg's least favourite Indy movie is...

zeemumu

Member
It's my 2nd to least favorite behind Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. The stuff with the lava and minecarts is cool but it doesn't really make up for everything else, or even just Willie
 
Directors are wrong about their own movies all the time.

It's not like that movie isn't wrapped up in most of the shittiest memories of the darkest period of his professional life or anything, either.

The Indy films decrease in quality as they go. Temple is the 2nd best Indy film, despite all its sweaty, freaky ugliness (and in some cases, because of it)

He's been apologizing for it for so long that it's just rote at this point. And tired.
 

Rootbeer

Banned
From the guy who wanted the guns edited out of E.T.... makes sense.

He's wrong.

Crystal Skull was a cool concept to go with for an Indy film. Execution sucks.
 

Keri

Member
I assume that in answering this question, he's chosen to ignore the existence of Crystal Skull (just like the rest of us).
 

Mahonay

Banned
Seems like he's unable to accept yet what a hilarious disappointment Crystal Skull was.

But, yeah, even though it was my favorite as a kid, Temple of Doom is the weakest of the original trilogy. Shit is silly.
 

jetjevons

Bish loves my games!
It's 1 > 3 > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.

Everyone knows that.

I'd even accept arguments switching 3 with 2.
 

rec0ded1

Member
lol he thinks this is better than ToD fuck outta here

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Of course, that movie is awful. Chilled monkey brains.

Heh, just heard a Hari Kondabolu bit where he references how shitty that bit was.

Anyway, reposting from the last time this movie came up on the board:

You're not overthinking it - it's ignorant and racist. I believe the screenwriters (who helped Lucas on Star Wars and American Graffiti and then went on to write the annoying bullshit you hear in this movie and then wrote/directed Howard the fucking Duck) have since tried to push some of that off on the fact the films they were homaging were also colonialist and closed-minded, but there's really not too much of an excuse in 1984 to just... keep doing that. Raiders didn't work because they just did the same ol' bullshit the serials did. It worked because they did it bigger, better, leaner, louder.

I think both Lucas and Spielberg, who apparently didn't even fucking notice at the time, caught that backlash shortly after release and it really fucked with them. A lot of people have since focused on how the violence and the "birth of the PG-13" shit really shook Spielberg, and caused him to publicly apologize for aspects of Temple, but they also both started changing worldviews after having their own ignorant bullshit woven into their film so neatly.

But that's also part of the film's power and energy - almost everything kinda mean-spirited, gross, crazy and petulant-little-boy about those two came bubbling up in Temple of Doom because of the confluence of personal life bullshit, sequel pressure, just life in general... It's one of the more weirdly personal films for Spielberg (which is probably why he was apologizing so much for it - not just for having let it get out the door like that, but for having shown so much of himself, and not the GOOD self), and because of that it's one of his more fascinating. I also think he's partially apologizing for basically not giving a fuck while he was making it. The whole movie kinda feels like its' up on two wheels like a speeding, wobbly minecart, and that adds some excitement to it that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Plus it's one of the best directed things he's ever done, especially on the action front.

Which leads one to believe that it'd be well appreciated here considering it's juvenile, snotty, "fuck you I don't care if you're offended" tone should play well in this setting, but it turns out there are a lot of people here who think the best Indiana Jones movie is the flat, sitcom-esque third one that drains almost all tension and danger out of the series (and the set-pieces, save for the opener), turns the supporting characters into total idiots, and seems generally pleased to just be a safe, toothless parody of itself.

Last Crusade is like an Indiana Jones movie for the universe in which ABC's TGIF lineup from the '90s is real life.

Anyway, there's nothing in this post that's going to be more insightful than what Walter Chaw already wrote for Film Freak when the blu-ray set came out.

You guys should really read that Chaw review I linked at the bottom there. Spielberg should too, apparently
 
Indy 4 was the second time in my entire life I was actually incredibly depressed because of a movie being so bad from a much beloved series.

Care to guess which was the first time?
The Star Wars prequels further ruined my childhood.
 

B.K.

Member
That makes sense. Wasn't he going through a really bad divorce at the time they were making it? That has to affect his opinion of it.
 
Also, anyone saying an Indy film other than Raiders is the best is out of their damn minds. Temple of Doom and Last Crusade are damn good, but they are nowhere near as close to perfection as Raiders.
 

DrSlek

Member
Last Crusade > Raiders of the Lost Ark > Temple of Doom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

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rec0ded1

Member
...but it turns out there are a lot of people here who think the best Indiana Jones movie is the flat, sitcom-esque third one that drains almost all tension and danger out of the series (and the set-pieces, save for the opener), turns the supporting characters into total idiots, and seems generally pleased to just be a safe, toothless parody of itself.

Last Crusade is like an Indiana Jones movie for the universe in which ABC's TGIF lineup from the '90s is real life.

Never thought 3 was the best but Bobby just Vadered my mind.
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Mahonay

Banned
Temple of Doom kicks dick. He hasn't made anything so badass since Minority Report.
Minority Report is so fucking great.

Watched it again recently with my girlfiend who had never seen it. It got a "This is really good", which is a lot coming from her, she hates sitting down for movies because they're too long. And Minority Report is 2 1/2 hours.
 
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