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[afroguy10]

Was Gary Glitter on the same level of shock? I don't know, I figured he was out of the limelight when he was arrested, but celebrities so seem have more staying power in the UK for some reason.

Glitters crimes were repugnant but I don't think the shock was quite on the same level as Saville. I was a bit younger when Glitter was arrested to be fair though so I can't be completely sure.

The initial inquiry into Saville ended up with the police opening up Operation Yewtrew to look into historic sex abuse in the entertainment industry.

Because of this investigation Gary Glitter was resentenced to 16 years in prison in 2015. Some of the other celebrities jailed for sex offences were Max Clifford the PR guru for 8 years, Rolf Harris who served 3 years of a 5 year sentence and Fred Talbot the weatherman sentenced to 5 years initially and then an extra 4.

 

[Telephone Man]

This thread was made for me. Learning someone you're a fan of get racist fucking hurts.

Yeah, I feel like this is less offensive than say, JonTron, if only because this looks like it came out of a edgy middle-schooler's notebook. JonTron seems to actually believe that black people are responsible for more crime than white people, I don't think Mike thinks anything like that. He's just unfunny.

Spoiler

That being said, he was an adult when he made these and should have known better but 2005 was a different time on the internet. If you dig deep enough, you can milkshake duck most current internet celebrities.

Agreed, but I'd still be very disgusted if James did something like this. (Though it wouldn't surprise me if he was cool with it.)

The actual reason these comics don't bother as much as it should is that I never took Mike seriously. He himself was always like a bad joke, so this isn't too shocking.

 

[Acorn]

Total biscuit being a gigantic piece of shit isn't suprising atall. He thinks he's god emperor of video games or something.

 

[Messofanego]

If anyone was still on the fence about TotalBiscuit....

Peep this

He's blocked me (thankfully), but now curious what the tweet says.

 

[sasliquid]

He's blocked me (thankfully), but now curious what the tweet says.

Basically after the backlash after yesterday's article he decided it was a good idea to start going after Anita again calling her a hack and saying she was pro-harrasment (also no one remembers gamergate it wasn't a big deal)

 

[L Thammy]

He's blocked me (thankfully), but now curious what the tweet says.

"Alright Anita, I've ignored you for 3 years and your fade to obscurity is delayed by me acknowledging your existence, but you're a hack.

Anyone who tells people NOT to read an anti-harassment article with advice on how to combat harassment, is not anti-harassment.

As if we didn't already know. Anita is interested in one thing, milking as much from this industry as possible intellectual dishonesty

She along with her allies have poisoned reasonable discourse for years on the topic of representation in games. @femfreq supports harassment

So come at me. You stand shoulder to shoulder with 4chan trolls and bigots in attacking the loud, sane voice in the room. You cannot win.

When you and your cronies attacked a transgender journalist for trying to combat harassment, you revealed you are only in it for yourself"​

Again, my feeling on this is that this is actually a post by BizarroBiscuit, because absolutely nothing in it is in line with the way he's acted or with reality. There's also the following:

Gamergater: "You know that they will try to destroy you for this, right?"
Total Biscuit: "Why would it work this time when it failed the last 150 times?"
Gamergater: "True - but they seem to be trying. Usual crew of idiots."​

Note, that guy Biscuit was replying to had a Twitter avatar that's the "don't treat on me" flag with a controller, and a controller emoji followed by a crocodile emoji (Gamer + gator) in his name, plus "shitlord" in his profile.

Also,

There is no alt left: "Please just stop"
Total Biscuit: "Stop defending harassers and doxxers you awful hypocrite."

"I forgot seriously about GG. Just like replygirls, it was a thing in the past on the interwebz."
Total Biscuit: "No shit, we all did, until she brought it up again. "Anniversary" of a hashtag are you for real? Who the hell kept track of that?"​

 

[sasliquid]

Again, my feeling on this is that this is actually a post by BizarroBiscuit, because absolutely nothing in it is in line with the way he's acted or with reality.

I dunno that lines up with him to me. He acts like everyone who criticises him is a hack/fake/unethical.

How he treat Leigh Alexander was the turning point to me.

 

[L Thammy]

I dunno that lines up with him to me. He acts like everyone who criticises him is a hack/fake/unethical.

How he treat Leigh Alexander was the turning point to me.

I mean the fact that he supports Gamergate while accusing its critics and Anita Sarkeesian of being doxxers who are in league with 4chan. Nevermind that Gamergate came out of 4chan. The dude is blatantly doing the thing where he just accuses his critics of the same things he did in the hope that, if he says it enough, people will believe him.

 

[Messofanego]

"Alright Anita, I've ignored you for 3 years and your fade to obscurity is delayed by me acknowledging your existence, but you're a hack.

Anyone who tells people NOT to read an anti-harassment article with advice on how to combat harassment, is not anti-harassment.

As if we didn't already know. Anita is interested in one thing, milking as much from this industry as possible intellectual dishonesty

She along with her allies have poisoned reasonable discourse for years on the topic of representation in games. @femfreq supports harassment

So come at me. You stand shoulder to shoulder with 4chan trolls and bigots in attacking the loud, sane voice in the room. You cannot win.

When you and your cronies attacked a transgender journalist for trying to combat harassment, you revealed you are only in it for yourself"



Again, my feeling on this is that this is actually a post by BizarroBiscuit, because absolutely nothing in it is in line with the way he's acted or with reality.

Totalbiscuit/John Bain (2014): "I'm also not going to claim they [death threats] were credible because well, Anita is still breathing."

And to think people said Totalbiscuit has changed. Dude is still an asshole.

 

[L Thammy]

Totalbiscuit/John Bain (2014): "I'm also not going to claim they [death threats] were credible because well, Anita is still breathing."

And to think people said Totalbiscuit has changed. Dude is still an asshole.

Oh, and in case anyone here isn't familiar, I'm sure you'll remember that:

1. Total Biscuit claimed to be neutral for a long time, but when trying to argue that Gamergate was actually about ethics in gaming journalism, he started referring to himself as a Gamergater in order to retcon the Shadow of Mordor controversy (which he had talked about while "neutral") as something that Gamegate itself dealt with, when in fact Gamergaters were more concerned with a fake controversy #kissnotkill than actual ethics issues in video game journalism.

2. After being taken to task about how he calls himself a journalist but denies being a journalist when it comes to journalistic ethics, instead saying that he's an entertainer and does not have that ethical standard to live up to, he decided to instead insist that he was an octopus in order to protest people trying to label him. Nevermind that these were both labels he applied to himself. He changed his Twitter handle to Total Bisquid. Since squids and octopi are not that same thing, it goes to show that he doesn't have enough decency to keep even that ridiculous story straight.

 

[Doc_Drop]

TB, from my incredibly limited experience with him, is someone not equipped to be in the position he is in and seems oblivious of this. Does he have no one to advise him?


Edit - Ignore, mixed him up with Boogie

 

[BTA]

This TB stuff is particularly ridiculous because there's an implicit belief that he's changed in giving him the spotlight on Kotaku.

Meanwhile he's fucking jumping to go "NO, I HAVEN'T!" with this whiny bullshit about Anita.

(Kotaku never should have published that and while I feel terrible that Laura got attacked so strongly as a result, it's baffling that everyone involved thought giving TB a platform with his GG involvement largely uncommented on was a good idea, particularly because the defense was largely "it's part of a series of other articles" as if the majority of people reading have that context and as if it makes it better to begin with.)

 

[chaobreaker]

I just thought of one: Rashida Jones.

There was that one time where she was slut shaming female celebrities for not dressing as modestly as her. Just when it looked like she came around from that, she produced a Netflix documentary on cam girls that revealed the identity of some of the women in the business without their consent.

If anyone was still on the fence about TotalBiscuit....

Peep this

Now he's playing the historical revisionism game, huh?

Fuck TB.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

I mean the fact that he supports Gamergate while accusing its critics and Anita Sarkeesian of being doxxers who are in league with 4chan. Nevermind that Gamergate came out of 4chan. The dude is blatantly doing the thing where he just accuses his critics of the same things he did in the hope that, if he says it enough, people will believe him.

It's the exact same shit he did when GamerGate was at its peak. Part of me thinks he's so wrapped up in the idea of him being a genius that he was stupid and jumped the gun on GamerGate without looking into it. Then when he found out he was wrong, instead of being an adult by admitting his mistake, he decided to throw a ton of women under the bus and has been doing it ever since because he's just that egotistical and cowardly. The other part of me thinks he's just an enormous manchild who has no self-awareness whatsoever, and I'm not sure which is worse.

Either way, he's trash and hasn't changed one bit.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

This TB stuff is particularly ridiculous because there's an implicit belief that he's changed in giving him the spotlight on Kotaku.

Meanwhile he's fucking jumping to go "NO, I HAVEN'T!" with this whiny bullshit about Anita.

(Kotaku never should have published that and while I feel terrible that Laura got attacked so strongly as a result, it's baffling that everyone involved thought giving TB a platform with his GG involvement largely uncommented on was a good idea, particularly because the defense was largely "it's part of a series of other articles" as if the majority of people reading have that context and as if it makes it better to begin with.)

Oh, so that's what Jim Sterling was talking about yesterday. He had mentioned something about Laura being attacked and twitter drama.

 

[Messofanego]

It sucks that Laura Kate Dale seems to have quit Twitter after writing that article, anyone know who was going after her to lead to such a decision? And why she left out Totalbiscuit's involvement of online harassment considering that's the topic of the article? I hear people saying he kicked out a dude from CoxCon who said something abusive to her like "are traps gay", so was this a favour to him?

 

[chaobreaker]

It sucks that Laura Kate Dale seems to have quit Twitter after writing that article, anyone know who was going after her to lead to such a decision? And why she left out Totalbiscuit's involvement of online harassment considering that's the topic of the article? I hear people saying he kicked out a dude from CoxCon who said something abusive to her like "are traps gay", so was this a favour to him?

Laura Kate is an acquaintance of TB and as far as we know he treats those in his circles a lot better than strangers online who became an object of his scorn.

This jackass, without any irony, calls Anita Sarkessian a hack and accuses her of being complicit with the kind of harassment he engaged in during Gamergate's peak a day after the publishing of a puff piece about him being dealing with the toxicity on the internet.

What a fucking tool. An irredeemable piece of shit.

 

[Messofanego]

Laura Kate is an acquaintance of TB and as far as we know he treats those in his circles a lot better than strangers online who became an object of his scorn.

This jackass, without any irony, calls Anita Sarkessian a hack and accuses her of being complicit with the kind of harassment he engaged in during Gamergate's peak a day after the publishing of a puff piece about him being dealing with the toxicity on the internet.

What a fucking tool. An irredeemable piece of shit.

Apparently this is from her Twitter before she deleted it:
"TB is an undeniably large creator. Whether you like him or not there's value in looking at his methods of community moderation."

Reminds me of Boogie2988 during the Jontron case

Disappointed in Laura.

 

[sasliquid]

It sucks that Laura Kate Dale seems to have quit Twitter after writing that article, anyone know who was going after her to lead to such a decision? And why she left out Totalbiscuit's involvement of online harassment considering that's the topic of the article? I hear people saying he kicked out a dude from CoxCon who said something abusive to her like "are traps gay", so was this a favour to him?

Nah, she just temporarily disabled it which is fair considering the abuse she was getting. I think he article was flawed and ill timed but she doesn't deserve that.

However on that topic and the topic of the milkshake duck I've always had suspicions about Gav from the podquisition/miracle of sound. When I used to listen he'd occasionally make questionable comments and yesterday he was super quick to blame Anita for the abuse Laura was getting (despite it just being a single tweet from the FemFreq twitter criticising the article).

 

[A-V-B]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

 

[Messofanego]

Nah, she just temporarily disabled it which is fair considering the abuse she was getting. I think he article was flawed and ill timed but she doesn't deserve that.

However on that topic and the topic of the milkshake duck I've always had suspicions about Gav from the podquisition/miracle of sound. When I used to listen he'd occasionally make questionable comments and yesterday he was super quick to blame Anita for the abuse Laura was getting (despite it just being a single tweet from the FemFreq twitter criticising the article).

Gav Murphy? Oh no, someone else.

Miracle of Sound Gav? Yeah, that dude is big friends with TB and I've noticed some really bad tweets. Like this one:

 

[moggio]

Gav Murphy? Oh no, someone else.

Miracle of Sound Gav? Yeah, that dude is big friends with TB and I've noticed some really bad tweets. Like this one:

Not Gav Murphy, he is close friends with Matt Lees who has been a very vocal critic of TB (and this article).

<3 Gav & Matt

(Also check out their podcast Regular Features because it's great.)

Matt's article on GG/alt-right/Trump is well worth a read:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump

 

[Paganmoon]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

Matt Lees aka jam_sponge probably.

 

[Westbahnhof]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

Good question.
Anyone able to ruin these people for me?
Jesse Cox, Strippin, Dodger, Northernlion.

 

[Akronis]

Good question.
Anyone able to ruin these people for me?
Jesse Cox, Strippin, Dodger, Northernlion.

Hbomberguy is cool as fuck too.

 

[moggio]

Matt Lees aka jam_sponge probably.

Yes, Matt Lees who can be found with Quinns over at Cool Ghosts:

http://coolghosts.net/

https://www.youtube.com/user/MattLees

Pretty much all of the OG Videogamer guys: Chris Bratt aka. Bratterz (who is now at Eurogamer alongside Aoife and Johnny), Jim Trinca and Steve Burns, and Simon Miller.

Also Rab and Ryan at Consolevania: https://www.patreon.com/consolevania

Hbomberguy.

Also Patrick Klepek and Austin Walker at Waypoint.

Jim Sterling son.

 

[Anung]

It sucks that Laura Kate Dale seems to have quit Twitter after writing that article, anyone know who was going after her to lead to such a decision? And why she left out Totalbiscuit's involvement of online harassment considering that's the topic of the article? I hear people saying he kicked out a dude from CoxCon who said something abusive to her like "are traps gay", so was this a favour to him?

Nazi's are seeing her as an ally now and trying to recruit/claim her so obviously that's really fucked up.

Article going to print at all and being defending as good journalism was heinous. It's very clear that Laura is too close to TB and that shines through in the article in the way it totally white washes his history of harassment and dog-piling. The fact TB went into harrass mode right after is telling of how much of a piece of shit he is.

In another news PewDiePie is trying to distance himself from the Nazi Shitstorm he's complicit in, the prick.

 

[sasliquid]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

Going to also bat for Matt Lees and HBomberGuy. Also Noah Caldwell Gervais seems cool.

Also TB has gone off the deep end (again) hopefully this helps Laura and Jim remove any ties will him

https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz/status/898200392697352193

 

[JCHandsom]

Going to also bat for Matt Lees and HBomberGuy. Also Noah Caldwell Gervais seems cool.

Also TB has gone off the deep end (again) hopefully this helps Laura and Jim remove any ties will him

https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz/status/898200392697352193

Yeah, Noah did a video on Depression Quest and pretty unequivocally came down on the side of "GG is awful and this is harassment" and I remember his video on Tyranny was in part a rumination on how the game is applicable to the GG/AltRight crowd gaining power and influence in the real world.

MrBTounge did a video on why he wants to see more diversity in game development, and he caught a lot of flack from the GG crowd for it. He hasn't recounted to my knowledge anything he said so I guess he's cool too.

 

[Messofanego]

Not Gav Murphy, he is close friends with Matt Lees who has been a very vocal critic of TB (and this article).

<3 Gav & Matt

(Also check out their podcast Regular Features because it's great.)

Matt's article on GG/alt-right/Trump is well worth a read:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump

I see Rich Stanton is still being a shit lol

 

[louiedog]

In another news PewDiePie is trying to distance himself from the Nazi Shitstorm he's complicit in, the prick.

I saw that and his quote about thinking there weren't any real Nazis out there anymore but the weekend events opening up his eyes. As someone who doesn't follow Swedish news I can think of two articles from this year alone involving Nazis in Sweden so I don't buy it for a second. He just found a convenient way to play ignorant and find redemption.

 

[Intheflorsh]

Going to also bat for Matt Lees and HBomberGuy. Also Noah Caldwell Gervais seems cool.

Also TB has gone off the deep end (again) hopefully this helps Laura and Jim remove any ties will him

https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz/status/898200392697352193

Wasn't TB just pretending to care about her getting harassed? What a dick.

And yes, Noah Caldwell Gervais is a great dude. Easily my favorite youtuber.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Good question.
Anyone able to ruin these people for me?
Jesse Cox, Strippin, Dodger, Northernlion.

Jesse Cox posted some both sides stuff back when GamerGate happened (I think it was related to something TB said).

And a couple weeks ago a fan artist was involved in some Twitter drama or other and was called out for using the n-word a lot despite not being black. They basically used the "black friends" argument and Cox responded to that tweet by saying that he supports them.

However, I just checked his Twitter and he seems to be against the both sides stuff when it comes to Charlottesville, so I dunno. There might not be enough there to ruin him for you, but it definitely has put me off of him.

 

[sasliquid]

MrBTounge did a video on why he wants to see more diversity in game development, and he caught a lot of flack from the GG crowd for it. He hasn't recounted to my knowledge anything he said so I guess he's cool too.

MrBTongue is also great in the one video he does each year

Reminds me of Boogie2988 during the Jontron case

.

It's extra weird considering Boogie has been vocally condemning Nazis at the moment, but I guess when it's his friend/a gamer it's a different story...

 

[moggio]

I saw that and his quote about thinking there weren't any real Nazis out there anymore but the weekend events opening up his eyes. As someone who doesn't follow Swedish news I can think of two articles from this year alone involving Nazis in Sweden so I don't buy it for a second. He just found a convenient way to play ignorant and find redemption.

To be fair, PewDiePie lives in Brighton. Not many Neo Nazis there.

 

[louiedog]

To be fair, PewDiePie lives in Brighton. Not many Neo Nazis there.

How is that fair?

My point was that I live 5,000 miles away and have no ties to the culture and the news came my way. Acting like a Swedish person isn't going to notice the international stories about Sweden seems silly, and Nazis there aren't a 2017 development.

edit: Or is this a joke? I don't know anything about Brighton so I guess it could be tongue-in-cheek as it's full of them. If so I retract.

 

[cartographer]

Good question.
Anyone able to ruin these people for me?
Jesse Cox, Strippin, Dodger, Northernlion.

Their continued association with TB really rubs me the wrong way. But that's true of a lot of gaming personalities.

 

[Messofanego]

To be fair, PewDiePie lives in Brighton. Not many Neo Nazis there.

Living in UK, he should be well aware of Nazi like groups like EDL. The fact that he didn't know neo Nazis exist shows how incredibly clueless about anything outside of gaming he is.

 

[moggio]

How is that fair?

My point was that I live 5,000 miles away and have no ties to the culture and the news came my way. Acting like a Swedish person isn't going to notice the international stories about Sweden seems silly, and Nazis there aren't a 2017 development.

edit: Or is this a joke? I don't know anything about Brighton so I guess it could be tongue-in-cheek as it's full of them. If so I retract.

I was being a bit sarcastic, yes.

Living in UK, he should be well aware of Nazi like groups like EDL. The fact that he didn't know neo Nazis exist shows how incredibly clueless about anything outside of gaming he is.

Hbomberguy did a video about Pewds: PewDiePie Is A Nazi

 

[L Thammy]

It's extra weird considering Boogie has been vocally condemning Nazis at the moment, but I guess when it's his friend/a gamer it's a different story...

Republicans have been condemning Nazis despite supporting Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate interests to this point. Charlottesville is going to be a bad market because you get dangerously close to an irredeemable label. You're going to have a lot of people who are perfectly fine with being Nazis in action or belief, but are afraid of being associated with the label because they know that someone called a Nazi will never be the good guy.

Similarly, there are a lot of people who will make fun of Trump, but that doesn't mean they hate the horrific ideals he stands for. A lot of people look at him as a stupid clown so they use him to point and laugh and feel superior.

 

[Sunster]

Living in UK, he should be well aware of Nazi like groups like EDL. The fact that he didn't know neo Nazis exist shows how incredibly clueless about anything outside of gaming he is.

or that he was straight up lying which is what I think.

 

[Anung]

It's extra weird considering Boogie has been vocally condemning Nazis at the moment, but I guess when it's his friend/a gamer it's a different story...

Boogie will say anything to get on people's good side so I usually take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.

A lot of YTbers are seeing the fruits of what they've been normalising this whole time and obviously want to try and distance themselves from it as much as possible.

 

[Aurongel]

MrBTongue is also great in the one video he does each year



It's extra weird considering Boogie has been vocally condemning Nazis at the moment, but I guess when it's his friend/a gamer it's a different story...

I think the truth behind Boogie is that he's a gaming personality and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about when it comes to broader ideas like politics or social issues. His casual fence sitting and lack of critical thought outline his general ignorance and placation of fringe groups quite well.

 

[moggio]

or that he was straight up lying which is what I think.

His bubble would have to be very fucking dense given that he's personally thanked Sargon of Akkad (a white supremacist) in one of his video descriptions.

 

[Fuchsdh]

MrBTongue is also great in the one video he does each year



It's extra weird considering Boogie has been vocally condemning Nazis at the moment, but I guess when it's his friend/a gamer it's a different story...

The problem with most of those Youtubers has always been they perceive criticism of one of them as criticism of all of them. Plenty of otherwise-great channels by people who are clearly not alt-right neo-Nazis that carried so much water for Pewdiepie, even when they didn't know him personally. They've got this inferiority complex, especially when it comes to traditional media, that borders on the irrational.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

Peanutbuttergamer and projared are two I watch.

PBG got into an argument with Jontron on Twitter over the stupid shit he said.

Projared took a jab at him in a video.

Both don't really say anything racy in their videos and make fairly vanilla jokes that everybody can enjoy. As a side note both of them were part of normal boots with Jon, and Jon was kicked out of normal boots.

I'd be surprised if either is still friends with Jon.

There are also Arin and Danny from Game Grumps. They make diet racist/sexist jokes but when it comes to serious shit they don't tolerate it. Hell Danny gets bothered when Arin makes a bad comment on game Grumps. And it wouldn't be surprising if part of the reason Jon left game Grumps was because Arin couldn't stand his alt right shit that was kept hidden from everyone else.

 

[moggio]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

[GonzoCR]

Unfortunately where I live I'm forced to ignore at least one shitty view from pretty much everyone, or else I'd probably have no friends, but one that hit me hard in particular was my aunt. I always knew she leaned on the conservative side but last year before the election she was just talking about how Trump was the only choice because Hillary kills babies or something. That plus some suspect comments about LGBT people means that I can't really look at her the same way again.

 

[JCHandsom]

Here's a question, after reading every page of this thread and feeling kind of dazed: who among the YouTube gamer personalities are like.... completely unabashed good guys?

Voidburger
Chip Cheezum
MrBTounge
Raycevik
Matthewmatosis
Noah Caldwell Gervais
Joseph Anderson
Dan and James (Extra Credits)
Dan Olson (Folding Ideas: does movie stuff as well)
Chris Franklin (Errant Signal)
Ian Danskin (Innuendo Studios)
George Weidman (Superbunnyhop)


YMMV in terms of game opinions, style, format, and content, but I'm subscribed to all of them and they seem on the ball.

 

[sasliquid]

Matthewmatosis

He's great but I sometimes worry that he almost seems unwilling to have an opinion on any social element of video games. I love his stuff and I just want my concerns answered but I remember at the height of gg he never said anything pro or against and silence is to accept the oppression.