Violence Jack
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Oh shit man. Hope you and your loved ones are safe.
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apparent terror attack happening where i just left, hands shaking
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Audioboxer
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Thanks, I didn't know that. Appears to be a stimulant, correct? I would suspect that, or taking some sort of anti-anxiety meds depending on what you want (heightened senses/capabilities versus something to keep you calm) would be a "useful" means of manipulating your body for carrying out an attack.
The point above from me was more trying to say I wouldn't think there would be a high correlation between "crazed" drug addicts acting out and terrorism. Most people who seriously abuse drugs tend to either harm themselves or harm direct family/friends. These attacks are usually on strangers and done so with a "clear enough" mind to plan the attack and prepare for it.
Low key males, religious indoctrination and fundamentalist attitudes around martyrdom/killing heretics are where I think we see most correlations to violent terrorism.
don't let yourself fooled by this, they'll attack anyone regardless of what they do in wars, they hate everyone who doesn't follow their ideology.
Airola
Member
Yeah, it's not too long ago when people either laughed at or treated with contempt of people worried something like this could happen in Finland.
I would've thought this would've happened in Helsinki first. Not here.
It's very very calm and nice where I live (about 3 km from the center) but I'm kinda shook at the moment. It's a weird feeling.
Ugh, terrorists hitting every other country in the world this month it seems.
I'm about to go from carrying one gun to two...and maybe some mace....plus my knife. Ridiculous.
I basically go about my day and don't even think about it, as I probably will once I head home...so I certainly don't live in fear, but this makes me want to be ready for anything if something hits the fan.
Be safe guys...all of you on here!
I'm about to go from carrying one gun to two...and maybe some mace....plus my knife. Ridiculous.
I basically go about my day and don't even think about it, as I probably will once I head home...so I certainly don't live in fear, but this makes me want to be ready for anything if something hits the fan.
Be safe guys...all of you on here!
Ye, they shot suspect to leg and got him in custody. Police are now conducting further area sweeps and investigations.
7-8 wounded, 1 confirmed death.
According eyewitness there was 3 persons running away from area and looked like from Middle East.
Police will hold press briefing 7PM local time, 1h from now.
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All above info is combination of Police twitter info, YLE and Turun Sanomar reporting.
There is also video going around (8 secs) with claim that you can hear Allahu Akhbar. That is false and you can't. It's reverb distorting Finnish shouts for "watch out".
Onlinehero
Member
Out of curiosity, which country attacked so far hasn't been involved in the middle east in some way?
DasPenguin
Member
Even the three attackers is still unclear. There were several people running in the street, some armed with baseball bats so many were confused how many attackers there were.
Maybe years ago. Sadly this was just inevitable in my head...
The eye witness says she saw three people running, not that she saw three attackers. An earlier version of the same article speculated that these three people were chasing the attacker.
This was my understanding too. It seems to me that there was only the one attacker and the rest of the reported attackers were infact people trying to help in catching him.
Reworded my post to better reflect what eyewitness most likely meant and not my take on it.
Sorry about OG post wording.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Good. Continue to stay somewhere safe if you haven't already OP.
nelsonroyale
Member
Horrible...! Stay safe friend. I really hope no one dies from this...
Lev
Member
I'm glad you are okay, OP. I didn't expect Finland to become a target of recent terror attacks since their military presence in the Middle East and Afghanistan has only been in peacekeeping, but I guess this attack brings me back to the reality that nobody is safe anywhere in the West. To these psychopaths, all of the West is the enemy.
Seems like the low tech, terror truck attack from the UK has inspired more psychopaths to commit similar attacks. Due to being low tech, this makes terror attacks even more difficult for authorities to prevent. Perhaps the best we can do is add in sidewalk barriers especially
where there is a high traffic flow of pedestrians. Horrifying news nonetheless.
Seems like the low tech, terror truck attack from the UK has inspired more psychopaths to commit similar attacks. Due to being low tech, this makes terror attacks even more difficult for authorities to prevent. Perhaps the best we can do is add in sidewalk barriers especially
where there is a high traffic flow of pedestrians. Horrifying news nonetheless.
1 already has... :/
DiipuSurotu
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Well you'd be hard-pressed to find one considering virtually all the countries in Western and Northern Europe are involved in the Middle East.
do the Philippines count
Source?
Yeah, I suppose something happened in the last few years that could've led to this. Though I don't want to speculate any further than that before we have more info.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9784858
the only countries that haven't been hit at this point are probably Ireland and New Zealand.
I think the most absurd thing about the whole thing is that YLE published a story this morning that everything is fine and there are no problem areas here.
The timing is just.... ugh. The most dangerous things were domestic violence and drunk people fighting.
I'm assuming that they don't cover alive people
The timing is just.... ugh. The most dangerous things were domestic violence and drunk people fighting.
I'm assuming that they don't cover alive people
There are pics of a covered body.
Bolded bit does mean. "Body laying on the ground has been covered up, according YLE Turku reporter on site" is rough translation.
Turun Sanomat also reported that 1 victim has died.
One has died in the hospital: http://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/201708180182011_u0.shtml (Sorry only in finnish).
Audioboxer
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It's done with good intentions behind it, but yes, sadly, the #prayfor is being co-opted into memes by the right
No one is saying anyone is to ignore anything, it's simply incredibly hard to fight against indoctrinated people who "aren't afraid of death". While this sounds terrible to say, many fundamentalists from other ideologies try to do the most they can within the law (or really hiding from it behind the scenes). This is because they don't want to give up their freedoms and end up in jail, or worse.
When you come up against people who may well truly believe a fantastic afterlife is setup for them after they "do their service" and murder some heretics, it's incredibly difficult to know when they'll attack. They're largely fearless to death, as long as they go out in the right way (either by being killed or suicide bombing seems to be widely accepted). Most humans, even some of the vilest, still "fear" death, or as I just said they fear all their rights being taken away and being jailed for life (not all, but many do). We try and monitor people we think are radicalised 24/7, but police and intelligence services keep saying they do not have the resources needed to monitor everyone.
andythinkpad
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I don't know what I would do if a terrorist attack happen in my commute route. Maybe start carrying mace and big ass umbrella.
Then don't let in more than you can monitor.
Audioboxer
Member
If we open the can of worms on the immigration argument, then I would say it's a bit of a joke it's known it's males, often single, who carry out 99.9% of attacks but they're still often vastly over-represented in immigration procedures. If we're talking refugees then it's understandable why women, children and families should be prioritised. It doesn't always seem to work like that.
What has to be said though, is as much as immigration CAN have legitimate and nuanced conversations away from the far right, at times many of these attackers are homegrown. It's the ideology, preachers, fundamentalists and more that still get into the minds of the males born and bred in the country they then attack. How does immigration help there? Unless you can tie preachers or radical fundamentalists who indoctrinated a homegrown attacker to have come into the country. In the days of the internet though, you don't need to be locally radicalised.
Immigration into countries can be looked at, but it's not some "one-stop fix for all things terrorism-related" like many on the right want to say it is. Again, a lot of legitimate issues around immigration are to do with understaffed and underfunded police/intelligence and border control.
Yeah, at some point in recent years it just clicked that this was going to happen 100%. No doubt about it. I wonder if I should invest in a knife vest.
jipewithin
Member
Didn't think it would hit home but there it is. Lots of friends live in Turku. Just horrifying. Stay safe.
DasPenguin
Member
Did you feel safe in Finland before? I know this was inevitable, but again, we have had school shootings, bomb in a shopping mall, single person knife attacks on random people and just recently a guy driving over pedestrians.
Unfortunately these attacks are more common now, but Finland has had its share of crazy attacks before.
Unfortunately I don't think there is anything that be done to change how things are now in the near future. Terrorist attacks will be common for years to come, maybe even decades.
Chittagong
Gold Member
It really was.
I am glad my god daughter in Turku is safe, and after spending the week here I am now happy to head back to London.
There's a lot more of these to come all across Europe, unfortunately.
ZombiePlatypus
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Stay safe OP 
Always-honest
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Be safe