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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO

Volgarth

Member
I'm talking about the show lore since it's obvious that Dany has burned herself multiple times to show off to the dothraki

In the book it's whatever Dany loses all her hair(iirc) when she's burned.

Yes in the show she is fire proof. She is the last dragon, and dragons can't be burnt. That is why after her brother dies with his crown of gold she said "He was not the last dragon.".
 

bitbydeath

Member
Yes in the show she is fire proof. She is the last dragon, and dragons can't be burnt. That is why after her brother dies with his crown of gold she said "He was not the last dragon.".

To be fair Dany would not have survived that either. He didn't die by fire.
 

jett

D-Member
I think GURM once said the whole fireproof thing was a one-time deal, in the books anyway.

In the show Dany got the fireproof genes, I guess.
 

Tacitus_

Member
Jon not dying didn't bother me as much as Tormund. We clearly saw the rando characters get wasted in seconds when they were swarmed by wights. Tormund surviving that was complete nonsense.

Eh, some of the red shirts could've been saved if they cared about them. But everyone was like "who are you again?" and just left them to die.

I guess my point is, its not like the main points and character progression of the show is being made up as they go along.
GRRM has told D&D who survives and who doesn't no?

And my point is maybe they shouldn't write scenes where someone gets dunked into freezing water for long enough that the enemy starts to retreat and then somehow makes it back to civilization without freezing to death. I've tried waters in those temps in a waterpark and they're no joke.
And that's before getting into Benjen ex Machina.
 

jett

D-Member
I guess my point is, its not like the main points and character progression of the show is being made up as they go along.
GRRM has told D&D who survives and who doesn't no?

It doesn't matter what GRRM has told D&D. D&D are going to do what D&D want to do.
 

bitbydeath

Member
Why? You touch hot metal you burn. When she heated up the dragon eggs and touched them, her hand did not burn. Same difference.

Good point but I'd say still being a different element makes it unproven, at the very least having a head full of metal would kill her anyway.

I think GURM once said the whole fireproof thing was a one-time deal, in the books anyway.

In the show Dany got the fireproof genes, I guess.

He did it again in book 5 so probably changed his mind.
 

jett

D-Member

John Dunbar

correct about everything
He did it again in book 5 so probably changed his mind.

it really depends on how you read that part. it seems she is fireproof because all her hair burned but there doesn't seem to be any burns on her head, which seems impossible if she is not fireproof, but she has serious burns on her hands after flying drogon.
 

bitbydeath

Member
it really depends on how you read that part. it seems she is fireproof because all her hair burned but there doesn't seem to be any burns on her head, which seems impossible if she is not fireproof, but she has serious burns on her hands after flying drogon.

The above quote also mentions the burns are healing. Dragon fire itself would have melted the hands right off any normal person, along with the heat being that close to the rest of the body would likely cook organs.
 

TankUP

Member
THAT was the real mistake. Kill him or don't, the minute you start resurrecting people all rules go out the window. Why does Jon even need a zombie for proof? I was stabbed 50 times, here are the scars, and check it out, still kicking.

Cersei literally has a zombie working for her, raised by Qyburn, so if we go down that route she shouldn't need any external proof that the dead walk.

Hopefully Cersei gets got in the finale, pretty dang sick of show Cersei. Maybe Jamie can pull a Tommen after he offs her, streamline the story EVEN MORE so we can rush to that paint-by-numbers ending D&D has planned.
 
Was thinking of listening to the audiobooks for the series after this season concludes. I've tried reading AGOT in the past, but my attention span is trash and I bailed out halfway through.

Anyone here listen to the audiobooks before? Heard some mixed things about Dotrice's narration.
 

TankUP

Member
No way we're going into next season with good guys vs White Walkers. We need Cercei on that throne!

Nah, Euron can be the final boss. Or Littlefinger. Or Dark Sansa. Or Moon Boy for all I care.

Anyone here listen to the audiobooks before? Heard some mixed things about Dotrice's narration.

I think Dotrice is fantastic, although you can hear his age in the DWD audiobook. One of the saddest things about the final books in this series is that even if they come out, we won't get Dotrice narrated audiobooks for them.
 

bitbydeath

Member
We all know both books and show will have Dany getting pregnant. Possibly even the finale closure.

Maybe she'll have triplets. (Three headed dragon explained!)
 

bitbydeath

Member
We can always hope Book Sansa has an actual character arc beyond getting raped and being jealous of her cousin.

That was fake Arya in the book.
I don't even remember what Sansa is doing in the book...

Edit: I recall now, she's just hanging out with Robin, such a memorable character
 

Gigglepoo

Member
That was fake Arya in the book.
I don't even remember what Sansa is doing in the book...

Edit: I recall now, she's just hanging out with Robin, such a memorable character

Littlefinger is teaching her how to horde food during prosperous times so you can make bank when winter hits. God I miss the books.
 

TankUP

Member
That was fake Arya in the book.
I don't even remember what Sansa is doing in the book...

Yeah, book Sansa is learning from Littlefinger how to gather power and manipulate people. D&D must have thought that was boring, so instead they had her get raped a bunch of times.

This season Sansa has spent it arguing with/being jealous of her cousin and having some kind of pointless rivalry with her sister.

Of course, Littlefinger went from starting wars, assassinating kings, taking over huge realms to, uh, getting sisters to bicker? "Chaos is a ladder. Nothing starts more chaos than if two sisters who aren't even players in the game of thrones are sort of mean to each other!"
 

TTG

Member
That's why I don't know if I'll bother with the book when it finally does come out. It's been years, I don't remember much and what I do remember could just be the show at this point.

Tyrion showed up to Mereen, but Dany is stranded. Brienne was bitten by some zombie? I have no idea what's going on at King's Landing. Stannis is presumed lost, but maybe not? I can't remember if the white walkers got him or Bolton. What else? Arya is blind in Braavos or something. Jon is waiting to be resurrected.
 

TheXbox

Member
Nothing. Just like Tyrion, Dany, Brienne....

That's why I don't know if I'll bother with the book when it finally does come out. It's been years, I don't remember much and what I do remember could just be the show at this point.

Tyrion showed up to Mereen, but Dany is stranded. Brienne was bitten by some zombie? I have no idea what's going on at King's Landing. Stannis is presumed lost, but maybe not? I can't remember if the white walkers got him or Bolton. What else? Arya is blind in Braavos or something. Jon is waiting to be resurrected.
Tyrion recruited the Second Sons to join Daenerys in Westeros.

Daenerys had a miscarriage and stumbled into Khal Jhaqo's khalasar with Drogon.

Brienne is leading Jaime to meet and probably be executed by the resurrected Catelyn Stark.

Stannis is outside Winterfell with Asha, Theon, and a bunch of Karstarks who are planning to betray him.

Arya was unblinded, killed a guy, and has been raised to a journeyman of sorts.

There is so much going on at the end of ADWD and I can't really blame anyone who forgets what happened. Shit was six years.
 

Rixxan

Member
That's why I don't know if I'll bother with the book when it finally does come out. It's been years, I don't remember much and what I do remember could just be the show at this point.

Tyrion showed up to Mereen, but Dany is stranded. Brienne was bitten by some zombie? I have no idea what's going on at King's Landing. Stannis is presumed lost, but maybe not? I can't remember if the white walkers got him or Bolton. What else? Arya is blind in Braavos or something. Jon is waiting to be resurrected.

You more or less got it - Arya unblind though

I don't want to read it because the thought of reading further into this story and then getting put, yet again, on indefinite hiatus

Can't do it
 

Forkball

Member
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TTG

Member
Tyrion recruited the Second Sons to join Daenerys in Westeros.

Daenerys had a miscarriage and stumbled into Khal Jhaqo's khalasar with Drogon.

Brienne is leading Jaime to meet and probably be executed by the resurrected Catelyn Stark.

Stannis is outside Winterfell with Asha, Theon, and a bunch of Karstarks who are planning to betray him.

Arya was unblinded, killed a guy, and has been raised to a journeyman of sorts.

There is so much going on at the end of ADWD and I can't really blame anyone who forgets what happened. Shit was six years.

Thanks, but this just leads down a road of more and more questions, I won't bother you with them. Maybe in 2020 when there's an OT for the next book someone will come up with a recap. Is Theon even Reek? Fuark.
 

TheXbox

Member
Thanks, but this just leads down a road of more and more questions, I won't bother you with them. Maybe in 2020 when there's an OT for the next book someone will come up with a recap. Is Theon even Reek? Fuark.
He's Theon again ;)

I reread the book recently so it's still pretty fresh, but I'm sure I'll need a recap again by the time TWOW comes out.
 

Paganmoon

Member
Well then why do you think we'd know how it works? It's stupid bullshit made up so they can put pretty pictures on screen and there's no underlying lore whatsoever.

I think it was brought up as a interesting/fun point of discussion? I did not read it as a deep question that had any sort of real answer based on lore.


also, it's quite obvious that Jon survived riding through the north, while soaked through, cause he's immune to ice.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Starks have cold resistance +20.

I recall in one of the Catelyn chapters she mentioned that Ned likes it cold, and that after some hot fucking he'd open the windows and freeze their bedroom.

Or something like that.
 

Tenck

Member
THAT was the real mistake. Kill him or don't, the minute you start resurrecting people all rules go out the window. Why does Jon even need a zombie for proof? I was stabbed 50 times, here are the scars, and check it out, still kicking.

What.

She has the mountain at her side. She already has the proof she needs that people people can be brought back to life.
 
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