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Sonic Mania |OT| Dreams Come True
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I was totally wrong about
I admit.
Oil Ocean in Sonic 2
It's clear that it does in fact take place on an oil rig at sea.
I still contest that Oil Ocean in Mania is the same one however. It makes the most sense to me that it's a new one located on Angel Island, nearby Sandopolis. I'd image that Eggman has created a similar oil refinery on land, close to his operations in Lava Reef, just as Metropolis is presumably next to Oil Ocean in Sonic 2.
Well, I mean, Lava Reef is on the shore of Angel Island anyway.
Oil Ocean still has its ocean theme, even moreso with the submarines in Act 2. If you're deadset on it not being near Westside Island for some reason, keep in mind that oil rigs float and can be moved. Or it could be a new one. But it's still on the ocean, and the ocean is right next to Lava Reef Zone.
Dr Funfrock
Member
Good lord this game is good
Chronospherics
Member
Really enjoy the game but really don't like some of the bosses. They're either far too easy and repetitive, or obtuse to the point where it doesn't really make sense what you need to hit.
Also don't understand why using spin dash kills you if
.
Also don't understand why using spin dash kills you if
when you're on the plane.
Well, I mean, Lava Reef is on the shore of Angel Island anyway.
Oil Ocean still has its ocean theme, even moreso with the submarines in Act 2. If you're deadset on it not being near Westside Island for some reason, keep in mind that oil rigs float and can be moved. Or it could be a new one. But it's still on the ocean, and the ocean is right next to Lava Reef Zone.
Lava Reef is inside the volcano on Angel Island, which is on the edge of the island sure, but I wouldn't exactly say it's on the shore because of that.
None the less, here's hoping some stage transitions between Hyrdocity and Mirage Saloon, and Oil Ocean and Lava Reef get patched in to clear things up. You could be totally right, I could definitely see how a transition between Oil Ocean and Lava Reef involves the use of one of those submarines. I'd like to see why we go from Hydrocity to Mirage Saloon, mainly.
None the less, here's hoping some stage transitions between Hyrdocity and Mirage Saloon, and Oil Ocean and Lava Reef get patched in to clear things up. You could be totally right, I could definitely see how a transition between Oil Ocean and Lava Reef involves the use of one of those submarines. I'd like to see why we go from Hydrocity to Mirage Saloon, mainly.
Until then we could debate things forever
I said Mania 2 :/
Lava Reef is inside the volcano on Angel Island, which is on the edge of the island sure, but I wouldn't exactly say it's on the shore because of that.
None the less, here's hoping some stage transitions between Hyrdocity and Mirage Saloon, and Oil Ocean and Lava Reef get patched in to clear things up. You could be totally right, I could definitely see how a transition between Oil Ocean and Lava Reef involves the use of one of those submarines. I'd like to see why we go from Hydrocity to Mirage Saloon, mainly.
Until then we could debate things forever
Mirage Saloon is likely sandopolis, there's no reason to put that much thought into where oil ocean is other than "sandopolis" because sandopolis leads to lava reef and it's a very simple thing. It's taking the place of the locations from the other game. Even on that sketch of the maps they didn't really draw Metropolis zone, they just drew it in a spot on the island, likely because they were trying to tie together a sense of place between time periods and the idea was to have equivalent zones shown through the sketches. Metropolis being out at sea really is a whole cloth invention. Why not put it in the center of the earth or on the moon while you're at it?
superNESjoe
Member
When I put on my socks this morning, I never dreamed I'd witness people debating the geographical locations of the oil level from Sonic 2.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I like how the entire sprawling desert of Sandopolis is just a single pyramid on a cliff.
eastx
Member
I've written a couple of guides for Sonic Mania's special and bonus stages. I think they're more helpful than the others out there, and they definitely have more screenshots. Please check them out.
Sonic Mania Special Stages guide [Windows Central]
Sonic Mania Bonus Stages guide [Windows Central]
Sonic Mania Special Stages guide [Windows Central]
Sonic Mania Bonus Stages guide [Windows Central]
With so few pixels to represent that zone, I guess that was the single thing they could show as that zone. Title screen for Sonic & Knuckles shows a bit more:
With so few pixels to represent that zone, I guess that was the single thing they could show as that zone. Title screen for Sonic & Knuckles shows a bit more:
That title screen also puts into context why
Lava Reef
a giant crater instead of an underground cave.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Now you have do do all those playthroughs again but without getting the emeralds so you have save files without being forced to go super.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Are there no hit runs available yet?
OrbitalBeard
Member
Orbital said:
I like this game.
Replayed the last zone after collecting all the Chaos Emeralds
and it was so much easier compared to the first time.
The more you play, the more you get used to the physics and the boss mechanics, making it possible to do well even if you don't know the classic Sonic games inside out. Who could've known!
to get to the bonus fight and ending
The more you play, the more you get used to the physics and the boss mechanics, making it possible to do well even if you don't know the classic Sonic games inside out. Who could've known!
The Xtortionist
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mullet2000
Member
Really didn't enjoy the final (non Super Sonic) boss. Too tedious and slow.
OrbitalBeard
Member
alf717
Member
Not sure if this is known or not but when playing Chemical Plant Zone 1 on Switch If you beat the boss and get the goal post to pop up the bubble shield. As soon as you get control of Sonic for Zone 2 if you do the bubble hop it crashes the game. Odd bug but I got it to happen twice in a row. Still love the game though. =D
I got all the trophies except the Blue Spheres Bonus stages. Not sure if I should even go for that, only got two silver medals and zero gold during my playthrough so I'm sure it's frustratingly hard.
Oh and speaking of crashes, every time I try to access the leaderboards on PS4 the game crashes. Tried five times so far, works well otherwise.
Oh and speaking of crashes, every time I try to access the leaderboards on PS4 the game crashes. Tried five times so far, works well otherwise.
CampbellzSoup
Member
Anyone mind posting a trophy list? Only thing I don't like about my switch
TMaakkonen
Member
Finished Sonic Mania, and while its incredibly good, I feel like its not quite perfect, as it has some weird hiccups.
The stage design drops the ball on last level. Namely crush deaths. I got embarrassingly large amount of crush deaths and most of them from last level. A lot of people hated that Sonic 4 had death pits, but I seriously got annoyed by these crushing bits. Also, the game became bit more automated during last sections.
Mirage Saloon Act 1 reference was also not that good. Im not sure why that trope gets returned often. Also it glitched out a bit and got weird deaths.
Zone transitions also dropped the ball by dropping out literally. Development changes and slight rushing maybe? All current transitions were good so it feels weird.
I also discovered that they kept very archaic you die in 10 minutes. I dont think thats a good stage mentality these days, as it limits explorations.
Minor nitpicks, the Intro trailer wasnt used at beginning, but I dont see why. Too large Space maybe but this game is already below 1 GB so I wonder why it wasnt used, it was pretty good.
Other thing is, while I absolutely love that Sonic 3 got stage representation (seriously, S1 and S2 get almost all references and all S3&K are often from K part),
This game does get major credit for fixing bosses. Especially S1 and S2 had almost very bad bosses all around, while this game had way more good bosses than bad. Kudos.
Regardless this game is almost perfection. Small fixes would have made it GOAT.
The stage design drops the ball on last level. Namely crush deaths. I got embarrassingly large amount of crush deaths and most of them from last level. A lot of people hated that Sonic 4 had death pits, but I seriously got annoyed by these crushing bits. Also, the game became bit more automated during last sections.
Mirage Saloon Act 1 reference was also not that good. Im not sure why that trope gets returned often. Also it glitched out a bit and got weird deaths.
Zone transitions also dropped the ball by dropping out literally. Development changes and slight rushing maybe? All current transitions were good so it feels weird.
I also discovered that they kept very archaic you die in 10 minutes. I dont think thats a good stage mentality these days, as it limits explorations.
Minor nitpicks, the Intro trailer wasnt used at beginning, but I dont see why. Too large Space maybe but this game is already below 1 GB so I wonder why it wasnt used, it was pretty good.
Other thing is, while I absolutely love that Sonic 3 got stage representation (seriously, S1 and S2 get almost all references and all S3&K are often from K part),
I found HydroCity weird here. Not even remotely bad, it just felt
weird. Maybe because it was early stage used as late game level?
This game does get major credit for fixing bosses. Especially S1 and S2 had almost very bad bosses all around, while this game had way more good bosses than bad. Kudos.
Regardless this game is almost perfection. Small fixes would have made it GOAT.
It plays if you let the game sit on the title screen, like Sonic CD. If you let it play a second time, it even uses a different song.
TMaakkonen
Member
Uhhh what
Umm... okay... weird call back... but I stand corrected.
I guess thats better than wasting a second to skip it in multiple play sessions?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks
is completely horrible...
New Monarch Zone
Imp the Dimp
Member
Not feeling the game to be honest. Is anybody without nostalgia for Sonic adoring it like the fans do? I have a hard to adjusting to the controls and the level design. Feels like flipper with occasional jumps. I'm in the 6th zone and I can't be arsed to play on. Honestly one of the least enjoyable 2D games I've played in a while. :/
Might just not be for me. I'm not even close to getting how I'm supposed to have fun with this.
Might just not be for me. I'm not even close to getting how I'm supposed to have fun with this.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Same. I think all of the zones were pretty great, frankly.
TMaakkonen
Member
I feel like its the worst of the new stages, especially with so many unfair crushing deaths. Its not too bad, but its frustrating.
I dunno, I started playing Sonic games late, in 2010s and Mania is still quite good aside from few archaic choices.
forknknife
Banned
It is great! Complaining about dying in sonic by getting crushed is like... that's Sonic god damn it! You just laugh it off and try again until you beat that motherfucker!
No, but seriously, I really don't get GAF sometimes with how nitpicky it is with certain things.
OrbitalBeard
Member
To a subset of GAF, if a game doesn't "respect my time", it's bad.
I can only think of one place in the last level that is even capable of crushing you.
I can see how non-Sonic players might be turned off. There are multiple paths to take in each level, and the "best" path rewards you with rings, shields, lives, and speed. You also get to avoid tedious sections, such as Chemical Plant's underwater areas. The best paths require great timing and understanding of the game's physics, which new players don't know how to utilize.
It sounds like this isn't the game for you, but I bet if you put more time in, you'd like it more. Even as a pro Sonic fanboy, I didn't immediately like the Chaos Emerald levels, and I failed more than I succeeded, but now I enjoy them and can nail them on one attempt. Maybe try playing around with Knuckles or Tails, where you can usually climb or fly your way to the best path, even if you miss the original platforming path.
As for crushing deaths, doesn't that stop once you know where to watch out? Even on my first playthrough, I only got crushed twice, both times because I was going recklessly fast.
TMaakkonen
Member
Im on the same boat that people in general complain waaaayy too much these days but at the same time complaining and mentioning small annoyances is something that I do as well. Its kind of awful.
I suppose crushing deaths are worst since in this game it was my most common dying method. I got a damn game over by those and I felt embarrassed by that
Regardless Mania is great.
...I died on that one spot way too many times...
There's a handful but most of them are a repeat of the first one so they're easy to avoid if you fell for that one.
Crushing deaths are the one thing I can't stand about classic Sonic, and I was disappointed to see them back here, but there's only like 3 that you won't see coming in the entire game.
forknknife
Banned
Crushing sonic death is an awesome name for a metal band
ArchedThunder
Banned
Sonic 2 was the first game I ever played and is one of my favorite games, I've completed all of the 2D Sonic games multiple times.
That's the most aggravated I've ever been at a 2D Sonic game and it had nothing to do with crushing deaths.
RecRoulette
Member
All of this talk about stage transitions is cool, I didn't really think there was that much thought put into it aside from the ruby.
Mirage Saloon taking place in Angel Island after
would make the most sense. Especially since that was where the
was left before Sonic and Tails were teleported to Green Hill.
Reason I say this is because
is also revealed to be
, my guess is Eggman realised his plan to utilise
.
Think
They need to elaborate this more with adding the missing scenes or whatever, but this is the best that I could come up with.
Hydrocity
Tornado
Reason I say this is because
Little Planet
chained to Angel Island, as shown in Lava Reef
Metal Sonic failed, so dropped them off Little Planet so more time would be spent working on Metallic Madness and Titanic Monarch
Think
Oil Ocean is an Eggman made factory, so it could technically be placed anywhere. This is the biggest mystery of the whole story so far, must also have been made on Angel Island since Lava Reef takes place after.
They need to elaborate this more with adding the missing scenes or whatever, but this is the best that I could come up with.
IrishNinja
Member
for the life of me i can't find the big ring in green hill zone act 1, it's killing me
1) what dos the blue ring thing do?
2) any good hints on chaos emerald pacing? i imagine they get tougher & take a few tries as you go, do you on average shoot for 1 each zone to comfortably get em? i wanna do this right!
1) what dos the blue ring thing do?
2) any good hints on chaos emerald pacing? i imagine they get tougher & take a few tries as you go, do you on average shoot for 1 each zone to comfortably get em? i wanna do this right!