MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It feels like a Lynch...no, a Jodorowsky movie. It's fucking insane this was treated as a big release from a studio.
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Is this really how it is?
I missed Enter the Void when it ran through my local theater, and I really thought that'd be my last chance to see something truly nightmarish on the big screen.
More_Badass
Member
Never seen a Jodorowsky film, but this movie feels like a descent into mad fever dream as It progresses
Spine_Ripper
Member
Seeing a screening in 5 minutes. After reading the majority of this thread (and a spoiler 
lol) I honestly don't know what to expect. Wish me luck.
lol) I honestly don't know what to expect. Wish me luck.Saw it, liked it. Though I wouldn't outright recommend it to anyone just because of how divisive and odd it is. Didn't see any marketing beforehand except for the poster with the flowery background.
The marketing team was probably ripping their hair out trying to figure out what to do with this. On one hand, you have J Law; on the other hand, the movie is the director's insane metaphorical fever dream, and part of the appeal is the descent-to-madness twist. There's no way to prepare people for where this movie goes, and I'm glad that the marketing didn't really try to.
The marketing team was probably ripping their hair out trying to figure out what to do with this. On one hand, you have J Law; on the other hand, the movie is the director's insane metaphorical fever dream, and part of the appeal is the descent-to-madness twist. There's no way to prepare people for where this movie goes, and I'm glad that the marketing didn't really try to.
Watch El Topo
Yeah I think this a bit more accurate in the sense that Aronofsky doesn't make films in the style of either Lynch or Jodorowsky but he makes films with a very specific vision and follows it that vision for better or for worse. Audiences will react accordingly which is often divisively. Personally I prefer a bolder style and if nothing else you can't say it was something you've seen a thousand times before.
Why?
Not defending him or anything. I know jack shit about him. Why does this please you?
Messofanego
Banned
Don't know, I'd say more Zulawksi with his more manic filmmaking style that feels more theatrical and surreal, not caring about reality.
LeadenStride
Member
Damn. Now I have to see this movie.
Messofanego
Banned
But why? Haven't heard about him going all "Polanski" or even "Mel Gibson". Why the malice towards him?
LeadenStride
Member
I know. He's one of my favorite directors.Beware, his movies are bonkers from start to finish.
And Adjani is one of my favorite actresses thanks to Possession, btw.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
The wrestler >>>
ForsakenLotus
Member
I'm going precisely because the movie looks challenging. Hopefully I like it, but I vaguely understand what I'm getting into.
Maybe it's the weeb narrative of how he rips off anime or something.
Astral Dog
Member
Mother! Sounds awesome 😁
I mean, it isn't getting shit reviews.
I've talked about it before and don't want to derail the thread with that. But basically it amounts to how much he ripped off a fellow director he claimed was a friend/influence, how much he denied their influence and the fact this person was dying of pancreatic cancer at the same time. Aronofsky is a douche.
A shame it's not getting shit reviews. At least there's one shit review, to get it back on track.
Or maybe it's that Kon was dying of pancreatic cancer at the same time while Aronofsky denied him being an influence when it was so damn obvious. Maybe, just maybe, there's a human element at play here. Hmmmmmmmmmm
Or maybe it's that Kon was dying of pancreatic cancer at the same time while Aronofsky denied him being an influence when it was so damn obvious. Maybe, just maybe, there's a human element at play here. Hmmmmm.
*insert revolving think face emoji*
Yeah, if anything it seems like the thesis of the whole scoring system is that sometimes companies advertise thing strangely or misrepresent their product to lure a wider audience, which seems...completely and utterly obvious.
More_Badass
Member
Do you know if Possession is available VOD anywhere?Beware, his movies are bonkers from start to finish.
old manatee
Banned
Yeah there's the human element of stupid obsessive fans who don't even know Satoshi Kon projecting their disdain and abusing his personal suffering to try and bring meaning to their negativity, sure. I agree, it's fucking shitty that fans do that. Disgusting really.
Given my disgust for Aronofsky on a personal level, I have my doubts. The best part of his movies is always the music. That's about all I can say on a positive note for his trash films anymore. That it would get an F from anywhere doesn't surprise me. I'm sure it'll be a divisive film regardless since it's Aronofsky.
It's very disgusting that people twist a valid critique of a shitty thing Aronofsky did to a fellow artist while he was dying of pancreatic cancer into being about "weebs", I absolutely agree.
ForsakenLotus
Member
I've heard the suggestions of "plagiarism" of Perfect Blue by Aronofsky with the Black Swan (altough the idea of plagiarism in a visual medium where great shots and scenes are replicated and riffed on all the time) but I've not heard the angle that he was close friends with Kon and denied the influence, etc. Just because I'm curious, do you know if there is any validity to the posters claims?
Ah, I actually remember reading something about this now. Thanks for the clarification.
He actively denied Kon's influence in interviews at the time. And in the past befriended Kon to get the rights to Perfect Blue for a scene in Requiem for a Dream. This isn't some unknown/a claim, it's known fact.
Ah, I actually remember reading something about this now. Thanks for the clarification.
I don't see what's so mic-droppy about this.
Yes I'm sure that using "Satoshi Kon was dying of pancreatic cancer" over and over and over in your argument like it is a bullet point is a very respectable and humane thing to do. It really shows how much you truly care about the person and it absolutely is not an example of you being a terrible person who uses terminal illnesses other people have as an fanboy argument point. Keep going!
Messofanego
Banned
Possession is on Amazon Video for UK but not USA it seems.
His final film Cosmos is on Amazon USA though.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
You're the one who started all of this in the first place on a personal level. And you're also the one antagonistically trying to continue this derail when I already suggested moving on. Like right when this statrted. This isn't professional behavior at all, duckroll.
Also, sorry I give a damn about personal and artistic integrity. Sorry, I find it disgusting someone would do that to a person they claimed was their friend while they were dying. Like seriously, where do you even get off here?
More_Badass
Member
Oh nice! Do you know if there are any other movies on UK that aren't available in the US yet? Got to rent The Villainess and now this thanks to thatPossession is on Amazon Video for UK but not USA it seems.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
So looking at it, I didn't either. But try saying "Kimba" and then "The Lion King" out loud, and I think the similarities become much clearer.
It was to Duckroll for calling it. Wanted to acknowledge that, that's all.
While I haven't seen Perfect Blue myself, I don't know why would he lie that it wasn't an influence if it actually was. It's not like he would be shy talking about works that influenced him.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Ah. So this is what people are referring to by mother getting a terrible score. Another mismanaged marketing attempt.
I saw Aronofsky at the grocery store the other day (just after I had seen Mother, funny enough). I asked him if he had ever heard of the Bible before, and he said he hasn't even heard of it. I was taken aback by this response, and he proceeded to shove a bunch of Milky Way chocolate bars (with wrappers still on) into his mouth.
I'm just laughing at you because you think you are on some moral high ground about this and your obsessive attempt to position it in a twisted way is just so silly. Aronofsky never denied watching Perfect Blue, he never denied that Black Swan has similarities to Perfect Blue. He said he wasn't directly inspired by Perfect Blue in the conceptualization of Black Swan, that the roots of his inspiration for the film came from somewhere else. He openly admits and talks about Perfect Blue's influence on Requiem for a Dream. He didn't "befriend Kon to buy the rights" either, they aren't friends. Kon doesn't even own the rights to his own works because that's not how film in Japan works. They met once, as peers, after Requiem was released, and they talked about Perfect Blue. This was long after any rights were supposedly acquired for a live action Perfect Blue which was never made. Kon has never complained about being ripped off. Aronofsky has never talked shit about Kon. This is all fanfiction assigning malice to creators landing in similar places with very different films, just because they actually watched the works the other made. Literally nonsense.
Is it bad that this is the post that sold me on watching the movie? Something this polarizing is something I have to witness.
Given you have numerous facts regarding this outright wrong and wanted to go at me on a personal level IMMEDIATELY over my opinion of Aronofsky as a person, I'm just befuddled and amused. Again, I ask where you even get off. The one thing I agree, it's literally nonsense here. But not for why you argue it is.
Fair enough.
And I don't know why either, but he did.
It sounds like it but seems like it would be hard to market regardless.
Messofanego
Banned
Yeah, Lady Macbeth (prime), and A Silent Voice for films from this year. I haven't looked up anything else.
I actually have interviews in both English and Japanese with Aronofsky and Satoshi Kon in front of me now. Do you want to go at it or are you just going to keep waving your hands screaming "artistic integrity" and pancreatic cancer"?
I've read and seen the interviews numerous times. Do you want to keep denying the facts (or altering them/ignoring other factors) and derailing the thread and going at me on a personal level over my view of this man as a person, when I have said many times now to just move on or do you just want to keep hammering at me for no fucking reason? It seems to be the later. And given you're a mod, I question how this behavior is at all appropriate. Again: Where Do You Get Off?
More_Badass
Member
Thanks! Much appreciated
Holy shit, I had no idea. Do I need a VPN or something?