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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves

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jviggy43

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iapetus said:
I was - I have been demodded as a knee-jerk reaction to someone not understanding my point, or not being able to tolerate it. That's fine with me. Anyone who knows me or has read anything I've posted in the past knows that I am not in any way a Nazi sympathiser or apologist. I am, however, a big believer in justice, and that means that I'm going to be against vigilante violence, whether it's against Nazis or not, and whether it's by police, random bystanders or Batman himself.

I thought long and hard before using those words (and before posting in this thread at all), and I did it because what matters isn't necessarily what you or I think about the legitimacy of their position. What matters is that someone has set themselves up as judge, jury and potentially executor in this case. And whether they're right or not is irrelevant. Because if they can set themselves up in that way, even for a righteous cause, other people with differing viewpoints can and will as well. You hate Nazis, right? Of course you do. All right-thinking people do. But there are people who believe that other positions are just as bad. And while it's easy to say that these people are wrong, that doesn't take away from the fact that they believe they're not, with just as much fervour as you believe that Nazis are wrong. And if this punch is justified, then they can feel justified in taking the same approach.

This isn't moral relativism. I'm not saying at any level that these positions are equivalent. What I believe doesn't matter in any of this - what matters is the belief of the people throwing the punch, or swinging the axe, or pulling the trigger, or whatever action they believe is justified.

In fact the way you get rid of moral relativism from the equation is by saying that no, the decision is not one to be taken by individuals; it's to be taken by a firmly established law. Yes, I understand a lot of why this doesn't always happen in the US. That doesn't mean that the 'right' approach is to turn to vigilante violence, though. I can see why it's tempting, and I can understand why people do it and support it (and even why there's a mob reaction against everyone who rejects it). But I can't condone it.

And for everyone criticising me for using the phrase 'political position' to describe Nazism, would you not describe it as an extreme right-wing ideology? Because that's the language of politics. Placing it outside that sometimes is a dangerous move, because it treats it like it's some kind of special case, and it isn't. It's an example of the worst one of the most unpleasant extremes in politics has to offer, and treating it as something separate makes it more difficult to say that other positions in the same part of the political spectrum have many aspects that are just as bad.
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Love to know what your own explanation of justice is.

CloudWolf said:
I mean, he's the one wearing a swastika, that's pretty much asking for it.

By the way, why the fuck is it not illegal to wear a Nazi armband?
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Freedom of speech
 
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BronsonLee

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This is like the quickest Keeping It Real Goes Wrong ever

'They deserve the welfare!'
*guy steps towards Nazi*
'No, it's fine*
*guy sleeps the Nazi*
 
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Shadow Puppetry

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electroshockwave said:
Mirror: https://youtu.be/OFi7iudtxJI
Might not be up for long.
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This is unacceptable. We don't know for sure the man was a Nazi. The swastika is also the Hindu symbol for prosperity, the only thing we hear him say is "they deserve welfare". This in itself does not indicate the man is a Nazi, hence for all we know this video could be a hate crime towards a Hindu. This is why we need to wait for all the FACTS. Even then, punching people for opposing beliefs is wrong.

Sweet mother of pearl lol
 
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Steeped in a Sea of Games

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The farther we get from WWII, the more we're gonna see people telling us we should placate these people. I think if people lived through the times when the bombs were falling on their houses and their friends and family were being killed on a freezing beach somewhere they wouldn't even question this shit.

I don't see how 'trust the law' even works when the person in charge of upholding the law for the entire nation is a nazi sympathizer who pretty much hired a not-so-secret nazi to directly enforce it.
 
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Widdle Puppy

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youtube comments have been deeply triggered by this. trying extra hard with them n bombs. stay mad nazis we beat your fucken ass in these streets bitch.
 
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MikeyB

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The outcome of a Nazi temporarily silenced is good.

Though, the means of going about it (mob justice) is pretty much one of the first things shut down through basic societies. Justice and the use of force need to be institutionalized to be legitimized.
 
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MikeyB said:
The outcome of a Nazi temporarily silenced is good.

Though, the means of going about it (mob justice) is pretty much one of the first things shut down through basic societies. Justice and the use of force need to be institutionalized to be legitimized.
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Have you seen what our justice system looks like these days
 
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jviggy43

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MikeyB said:
The outcome of a Nazi temporarily silenced is good.

Though, the means of going about it (mob justice) is pretty much one of the first things shut down through basic societies. Justice and the use of force need to be institutionalized to be legitimized.
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Looked plenty legitimate to me.
 
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NullPointer

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In terms of legality, sure, punching him was a crime, and if the guy who did it got busted on the spot that'd be fine.

But some people just need to get clocked. Asking for it even. Like a child finding out a hot burner is no place to put your hand, this guy getting knocked out just experienced a teachable moment. To his face.

Since it was just the one punch I'm fine with it. That's a civilized response to a shithead looking to stir shit. If he ended up going to the emergency room I'd worry more about precedent.
 
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ash321 said:
This motherfucker apparently.

Also, apparently a lots of people in this thread, and people around that fucker on the train also okay with it.
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Doubt they were okay with it, some people just want to live their lives and not get involved with the nutter on the train.
 
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Hesh

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I legit laughed out loud when I saw that the video in OP's post was taken down for violating Youtube's TOS on "bullying". Those poor, poor persecuted Nazis. :(
 
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Nephix said:
I'm politically active in my country helping out wherever I can so I'm doing my part. But there's such a severe lack of younger people caring enough about politics for any change to happen.
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so you don't live in the US then? well over here, "changing the justice system" is nigh impossible. we can't even get police to stop killing unarmed black men. we are not going to be able to pass a law banning Nazi symbolism or hate speech. not in this country.
 
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Beefy

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I'd like to know what the people that think punching a Nazi is wrong think of me punching dudes that call me nigger?
 
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Mr. RPG said:
I'm kinda disturbed from some of the posts in this thread...

Violence isn't okay.
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Donning a flag representing a call to incite violence against minority groups isn't okay either, but if a white dude getting knocked out somehow stirs your empathy and moral outrage more than the intimidation the aforementioned minority groups have to go through, you may want to reevaluate that pedestal you're standing on.
 
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The thing is, if you don't stand up to these people, at some point they will cause you harm. By doing nothing, you normalize and embolden them.

Nazism is racism. Racism is scientifically disproven nonsense with no basis in reality.
It should not be tolerated. You don't tolerate cancer, either.
 
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