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[dankir]

Wow there's a defense GAF for fucking everything....... HE'S A NAZI THAT'S BAD, THIS SHIT IS BANNED IN GERMANY BUT ITS OKAY IN THE US?

FFS!!!!@!@!@!

Glad he he got laid out, they should have stomped him some more.

 

[Darryl M R]

You all thought I wanted to water down the term "Nazi" by asking what it even means.

Wear Nazi uniform
Use Nazi signals
Use Nazi signs
Use Nazi rhetoric


Maybe they are just anime fans?

 

[norm9]

And just diverging from what the topic is. A nazi got punched and he deserved it. That's it. All this shit trying to classify nazi and nationalist and/or just a racist bigot is so got damn stupid. They all deserve physical harm as soon as they are bold enough to come to other people's spaces and try to harm or intimidate them etc. it's that simple.

But what if this nazi was a child and wore glasses and helps out at the old folks home and someone's got a gun to his head?

 

[El Topo]

I'm baffled that you guys genuinely seem to miss the point Gigawatts is making.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

My point was that the US hasn't answered these questions as a society.

You all thought I wanted to water down the term "Nazi" by asking what it even means.

Posing those as rhetorical questions is probably not the clearest way to get your point across. Drop the prose and keep it simple

I'm baffled that you guys genuinely seem to miss the point Gigawatts is making.

He's using too much word salad

 

[Isak_Borg]

But what if this nazi was a child and wore glasses and helps out at the old folks home and someone's got a gun to his head?

Snap his neck before s/he has any chance to do real damage.

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

My point was that the US hasn't answered these questions as a society.

I can see that's how you want it to be read, but that's not actually the point you made, and the support for that point isn't really present in your post. Nevermind that you're starting with a busted premise in the first place.

You're trying to suggest that America is blind to the real Nazis, and that by "waiting" (apparently) for idiots to show up in regalia we're missing the enemy as he stands directly in our face.

That suggestion is horseshit. You're not enlightening anyone with that mess. White Supremacy has the White House and not a single member of the cabinet (save for Gorka) was rocking paraphernalia during that campaign.

America wasn't fooled by White Supremacy in different clothing. America knows what a racist looks and sounds like, what a Nazi fuckin looks like, even the undercover kind.

It's just that a lot of White America has a lot of different reasons for not giving a fuck about stopping it, and a very large amount of us are cool with promoting it.

That's not the same as not having seen it at all.

Just because you have a fuzzy definition of the term, a fuzzy concept of how it applies, and a weird explanation for how everyone else just must have missed it doesn't mean that's the reality everyone else actually occupies.

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi!

You gotta stop publicly advocating for people's deaths dude.

 

[Darryl M R]

I'm baffled that you guys genuinely seem to miss the point Gigawatts is making.

I'm baffled that not one moment when you were writing your trash tier post did you question the strength of the point someone is attempting to make when the vast majority of people see it as trash and nonsense.

He's posting nonsense. If you disagree with that statement then write his arguments for him.

 

[platocplx]

But what if this nazi was a child and wore glasses and helps out at the old folks home and someone's got a gun to his head?

LMAO.
This is literally how every single person who is playing devils advocate sounds. And honestly you are a shitty person if you enjoy playing that game or form of logic and honestly are toxic to every single conversation.

 

[joe_zazen]

🔥🔥🔥

Even just thinking about seeing someone/anyone getting beaten to death makes me physically ill.

Anyway, back to making a bobble head out of sculpy for a friends party. I'm a pussy and a dork.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I have no idea what point you are arguing anymore. The man who was punched was wearing a Nazi armband, of his own freewill, harassing people, of his own freewill, and espousing hateful rhetoric, so to say he was a Nazi is pretty much a forgone conclusion. He talked shit, he got hit.

I have no problem with him getting knocked out.
I spent hours on here defending the german Antifa and explaining why the violence, although illegal, is actually kinda good.
In a sense its a societies immune reaction to an illness. In this case nationalism.
Immune reactions can be unpleasant but they are necessary.

What I am trying to argue is that the US isn't applying the same forceful oppositions to all forms of Nazi ideology.
Once it comes in a sheeps clothing its largely left alone.
And that a huge problem because as I said: That is actually the more dangerous version of nazism.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Even just thinking about seeing someone/anyone getting beaten to death makes me physically ill.

Anyway, back to making a bobble head out of sculpy for a friends party. I'm a pussy and a dork.

The person we're discussing got up later and took off his Nazi armband though

What I am trying to argue is that the US isn't applying the same forceful oppositions to all forms of Nazi ideology.
Once it comes in a sheeps clothing its largely left alone.
And that a huge problem because as I said: That is actually the more dangerous version of nazism.

At least half the people in this thread understand that, which is why it was unclear who you're addressing

 

[Haly]

Just because you have a fuzzy definition of the term, a fuzzy concept of how it applies, and a weird explanation for how everyone else just must have missed it doesn't mean that's the reality everyone else actually occupies.

.

Like, you're not clueing us onto some great secret. We already know that modern politicians espousing nationalistic right wing extremism is just Naziism-lite. Instead of lecturing us, maybe you can find some Trump supporters and explain to them how the administration is low-key Nazis.

Try it and report back.

 

[Isak_Borg]

I can see that's how you want it to be read, but that's not actually the point you made, and the support for that point isn't really present in your post. Nevermind that you're starting with a busted premise in the first place.

You're trying to suggest that America is blind to the real Nazis, and that by "waiting" (apparently) for idiots to show up in regalia we're missing the enemy as he stands directly in our face.

That suggestion is horseshit. You're not enlightening anyone with that mess. White Supremacy has the White House and not a single member of the cabinet (save for Gorka) was rocking paraphernalia during that campaign.

America wasn't fooled by White Supremacy in different clothing. America knows what a racist looks and sounds like, what a Nazi fuckin looks like, even the undercover kind.

It's just that a lot of White America has a lot of different reasons for not giving a fuck about stopping it, and a very large amount of us are cool with promoting it.

That's not the same as not having seen it at all.

Just because you have a fuzzy definition of the term, a fuzzy concept of how it applies, and a weird explanation for how everyone else just must have missed it doesn't mean that's the reality everyone else actually occupies.



You gotta stop publicly advocating for people's deaths dude.

As a hispanic man married to a jew WTF do you think these folks are advocating?

 

[Caelus]

Even just thinking about seeing someone/anyone getting beaten to death makes me physically ill.

Anyway, back to making a bobble head out of sculpy for a friends party. I'm a pussy and a dork.

The video you quoted, aside from having a comments section akin to an alt-right cesspool / orgy, is of a white man getting beaten up for harassing a transgender woman.

I don't advocate that people play executioner, yes I think that situation went too far in resulting in death, but I question what point you're trying to make in the first place.

 

[PixelatedBookake]

Well then fucking go ahead and have a public debate about it in the US.
I didn't ask these questions because I want answers, I asked them because the US hasn't answered them.

Because from where I am standing most of you have no idea what makes a Nazi...
Half the country thinks Hitler was left because his party had "socialism" in its name.
Nationalism isn't recognized as the toxic ideology it is.
Nazism is broken down to a few stereotypical indicators.
Nazis are universally seen as evil, yet Nazi ideology is extremely present in right wing media and Republican politics and its mostly just accepted.




Yeah, for example if he had a TV show on Fox or a column on Breitbart or Infowars.
Would someone dare to beat him up?
How would the public react?










You all misunderstood my point. Read above.

Nazis. Are. Evil. End of story.

 

[MUnited83]

Even just thinking about seeing someone/anyone getting beaten to death makes me physically ill.

Anyway, back to making a bobble head out of sculpy for a friends party. I'm a pussy and a dork.

The Nazi didn't get beaten to death so not sure what you're on about.

 

[Enzom21]

Thats literally the lesson Europe is currently learning with its rise of the far right.

Nazi parties have existed in Europe for decades, the stereotypical ones.
They were irrelevant, not a threat to democracy in any way.

But now Nazis reimagined themselves and appear in form of a Le Pen or Alice Weidel.
The same nazi ideology but presented in a somewhat politically correct way.
And its wildly successful and a real threat to western values as a whole.

Aren't you the person who claimed racism in Europe no longer happens?

 

[Darryl M R]

This back and forth is beyond idiotic.

Because subvert Nazism isn't being addressed we cannot address overt Nazism?

I wonder how things would be if we waited to address subvert racism.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

YouTube just leaves up a video of someone getting beaten to death?

 

[lem0n]

Good. Fuck Nazis, they get no safe space. Fuck off back to your hole.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

As a hispanic man married to a jew WTF do you think these folks are advocating?

I'm saying when you flat out talk about how you'd love to see people getting shot you'll probably catch a ban because you're basically entertaining murder fantasies as opposed to discussing the topic at hand.

For as much as people are focusing on those defending the Nazi's right to not get hit in the face for being a Nazi, quite a few other posters here have gone gray because they couldn't stop gleefully entertaining Nazi murder scenarios.

 

[Stead Fast]

Even just thinking about seeing someone/anyone getting beaten to death makes me physically ill.

Anyway, back to making a bobble head out of sculpy for a friends party. I'm a pussy and a dork.

Then why did you go out of your way to help highlight a video of two men harassing and attacking a trans in public, only to be beaten up and die(?) because of their injuries?

Please, enlighten me.

I am woefully not following your trail of thought here.

 

[Darryl M R]

YouTube just leaves up a video of someone getting beaten to death?

That or someone must like to muddy a situation by lying on what occurred in a video, and then post their trash post before exiting with a self deprecating post.

 

[Zero²]

Thats literally the lesson Europe is currently learning with its rise of the far right.

Nazi parties have existed in Europe for decades, the stereotypical ones.
They were irrelevant, not a threat to democracy in any way.

But now Nazis reimagined themselves and appear in form of a Le Pen or Alice Weidel.
The same nazi ideology but presented in a somewhat politically correct way.
And its wildly successful and a real threat to western values as a whole.

I think I get what you are trying to say, but you should word it better, guess you are trying to say that today far-right is basically past nazis with a fresh coat of paint? But I wouldnt call the stereotypical nazis irrelevant, they still fuel hate just the same.

 

[Alucrid]

if we all post "sean hannity is a nazi" does gigawatt vanish into thin air?t

 

[Monkeyball]

Guyz why is Nazi bad? I'm 10 and I don't have google.

 

[parrotbeak]

I wonder how things would be if we waited to address subvert racism.

That's racist

 

[Nokterian]

HERE. WE. GO!

idiots never learned about something that was fought 70 years ago, we have fucking morons everywhere.

 

[Isak_Borg]

I'm saying when you flat out talk about how you'd love to see people getting shot you'll probably catch a ban because you're basically entertaining murder fantasies as opposed to discussing the topic at hand.

For as much as people are focusing on those defending the Nazi's right to not get hit in the face for being a Nazi, quite a few other posters here have gone gray because they couldn't stop gleefully entertaining Nazi murder scenarios.

As opposed to individuals in these threads that constantly defend genocidal individuals who would like to see me and mine removed from this planet?

I will never apologize for taking a strong stance against individuals who want not only me but my children killed based on what they look like.

Sorry, just not taking some backwards stance that we need to coddle these individuals.

 

[Darryl M R]

I would like to echo my earlier thought. Progress to ending hate should not be hindered because of the lack of attention to covert hatred. Hate should not be normalized and those that dwell in hatred should know that they have already lost.

if we all post "sean hannity is a nazi" does gigawatt vanish into thin air?t

He just caught a ban..I think you did it.

 

[ModBot]

At this point we're just finding dumber and dumber ways to deflect from what actually happened here.