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[sirap]

I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

HERE. WE. GO!

 

[Conkerkid11]

How are people defending Nazis in this thread. Wtf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC1X1NXRqiY

I approve of this meme, holy shit, lol

 

[Anticol]

Why is it bad?

Are you fucking serious?

I know some of you are priviledge fucks who had never suffered any discrimination, hate, racism, violence or troubles in life fue to your religion or race but to ask this stupid shit just to come of as an intelectual messiah is the saddest and most stupid thing Ive seen.

If you dont know why nazism is bad you can go fuck yourself.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

His point was that hunting for hidden ISIS supporters in Muslim communities would be just as dangerous as punching a man who admitted to being a Nazi, espoused Nazi rhetoric, and wore Nazi memorabilia. You're right, he isn't so dumb as to suggest that Muslims and Nazis are the same, but his point was a blatantly dishonest false equivalence nonetheless. He has seemingly been banned in the past for using those, so that was probably the reason.

In terms of vileness, his posts in this thread are actually pretty tame compared to some of his other garbage.

Thanks BrutishMrFish, for the small summary. Tsk Tsk, Mr. Pargin.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I’m ashamed of this thread.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones.

No such thing as a harmless Nazi. Just a Nazi who hasn't gotten the stones up to attempt harming any/all the people his ideology says he has every absolute right to eradicate from the face of the Earth.

So if you see one wearing an armband in public, advertising his ideology that boldly, he is announcing his intent to excute the tenets of that ideology if given the chance to do so. He doesn't have to even speak a single syllable for that message to ring out loud and clear.

If you saw a man sexually harassing/threatening a woman, and you saw that woman bust out the pepper spray and then knee that guy in the nuts as he doubled over in pain, would you suggest that her reaction to that man's stated intent was incorrect?

So why would you suggest that a guy with the swastika on his arm, literally shouting at minorities on the streets of Seattle shouldn't have caught a shot to the jaw for it?

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

They don't need fucking armbands to be identified, people aren't morons. Punching Richard Spencer proved effective in shutting him up for months.

Didn't essentially self identify as a Nazi?
I am not talking about cases like that.
I am talking about some of the people we see on Fox News, the people who write for Breitbart or other outlets, and even some politicians who spew a deeply nationalist message like Steve King for example.

Are they not Nazis? Why aren't they seen as Nazis?

I don't get where the line is drawn in the US. Why is Richard Spencer a Nazi but Sean Hannity isn't?

 

[Conkerkid11]

Why's YouTube removing the videos? How does this break their terms?

Or are Nazis flagging the videos?

 

[Alucrid]

My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

you mean if he was just an asshole nazi screaming at people and starting shit with bystanders on the street, but not wearing an armband?

 

[Hubbl3]

Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

Jesus christ. This is probably the most garbage post I've ever seen on this site.

 

[HStallion]

I’m ashamed of this thread.

I consider it GAF's weekly clean up the forums thread.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Didn't essentially self identify as a Nazi?
I am not talking about cases like that.
I am talking about some of the people we see on Fox News, the people who write for Breitbart or other outlets, and even some politicians who spew a deeply nationalist message like Steve King for example.

Are they not Nazis? Why aren't they seen as Nazis?

I don't get where the line is drawn in the US. Why is Richard Spencer a Nazi but Sean Hannity isn't?

Before you ask more questions, you should probably read up on what Nazis are.

 

[Akronis]

Didn't essentially self identify as a Nazi?
I am not talking about cases like that.
I am talking about some of the people we see on Fox News, the people who write for Breitbart or other outlets, and even some politicians who spew a deeply nationalist message like Steve King for example.

Are they not Nazis? Why aren't they seen as Nazis?

I don't get where the line is drawn in the US. Why is Richard Spencer a Nazi but Sean Hannity isn't?

Do you seriously not know what the definition of a nazi is? Like are you for real?

The only thing you're doing is shitposting. Go educate yourself because we shouldn't have to do it for you.

 

[XMonkey]

Some of the arguments in this thread are astoundingly naive. It's downright shameful to see this in 2017. Some of you better get your head on straight or we'll all be repeating history.

 

[Captin Quacker]

My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?

I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

were bout to hit 70 pages soon, it blows my mind were still playin the hypothetical game, and a dumb one at that

 

[Stead Fast]

I consider it GAF's weekly clean up the forums thread.

It's getting to be bi-weekly. The fact I'm not joking is a little sad.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Privileged white people's solipsistic inability to project empathy into anyone but the white person getting hit is why this conversation keeps happening, over and over again, because at the core of all this what-iffing and what-abouting is a white person who is using their empathy to put themselves in the shoes not of the people being threatened, not the people being assaulted, not the people being killed for nothing other than drawing breath as a minority in America, but to put themselves in the shoes of a repugnant piece of shit, and then trying to find any possibility for redemption or reassurance that—should they find themselves in a similar situation—there is an out for them to take, if only people would relax their morality just enough to proffer it.

It's not an exercise in seeking justice. It's an exercise in self-comfort. It's a daydream turned into bad faith discussion.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Just when I think "hey maybe the craziness has left this thread by now let me check it ou-

 

[Anung]

Edna Mode would hate this thread. So many capes.

 

[Isak_Borg]

My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?

I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

Yo! You fucking crazy brah?

 

[quesalupa]

Didn't essentially self identify as a Nazi?
I am not talking about cases like that.
I am talking about some of the people we see on Fox News, the people who write for Breitbart or other outlets, and even some politicians who spew a deeply nationalist message like Steve King for example.

Are they not Nazis? Why aren't they seen as Nazis?

I don't get where the line is drawn in the US. Why is Richard Spencer a Nazi but Sean Hannity isn't?

Bruh there's a lot of better places to read up on Nazis than GAF.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Privileged white people's solipsistic inability to project empathy into anyone but the white person getting hit is why this conversation keeps happening, over and over again, because at the core of all this what-iffing and what-abouting is a white person who is using their empathy to put themselves in the shoes of a repugnant piece of shit, and then trying to find any possibility for redemption or reassurance that—should they find themselves in a similar situation—there is an out for them to take, if only people would relax their morality just enough to proffer it.

It's not an exercise in seeking justice. It's an exercise in self-comfort. It's a daydream turned into bad faith discussion.

which is funny considering there the first to scream not all white people

 

[RionaaM]

Back when Cracked started up I read some of his stuff and I thought it was good. This is like a totally different dude now wow.

Yup, I liked some of his Cracked stuff too. At this point, I'm gonna start believing that everyone on the internet is secretly a racist until proven otherwise.

But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

Who on earth are you talking about? Who are all these people who go around punching nazis but never call them out?

 

[Isak_Borg]

I have no problem with individuals who subscribe to the Nazi ideology being dragged out of their houses in the middle of the night and shot in the streets.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?

I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

Basura: The Post..

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Man, if only there were some history that could tell us all about Nazism.

Well then fucking go ahead and have a public debate about it in the US.
I didn't ask these questions because I want answers, I asked them because the US hasn't answered them.

Because from where I am standing most of you have no idea what makes a Nazi...
Half the country thinks Hitler was left because his party had "socialism" in its name.
Nationalism isn't recognized as the toxic ideology it is.
Nazism is broken down to a few stereotypical indicators.
Nazis are universally seen as evil, yet Nazi ideology is extremely present in right wing media and Republican politics and its mostly just accepted.

you mean if he was just an asshole nazi screaming at people and starting shit with bystanders on the street, but not wearing an armband?

Yeah, for example if he had a TV show on Fox or a column on Breitbart or Infowars.
Would someone dare to beat him up?
How would the public react?

Are you fucking serious?

I know some of you are priviledge fucks who had never suffered any discrimination, hate, racism, violence or troubles in life fue to your religion or race but to ask this stupid shit just to come of as an intelectual messiah is the saddest and most stupid thing Ive seen.

If you dont know why nazism is bad you can go fuck yourself.

Before you ask more questions, you should probably read up on what Nazis are.

Do you seriously not know what the definition of a nazi is? Like are you for real?

The only thing you're doing is shitposting. Go educate yourself because we shouldn't have to do it for you.

You all misunderstood my point. Read above.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

[CopperPuppy]

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.

What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You all misunderstood my point.

I didn't misunderstand shit. Your point was terrible.

 

[Darryl M R]

I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

The US had a discussion with guns.

Hit up Google if you have any more questions.

 

[Akronis]

You all misunderstood my point. Read above.

Maybe, just maybe if literally everyone "misunderstood" you should re-evaluate what the fuck you wrote.

White moderates don't give a shit about racists and literal Nazi's because it doesn't fucking affect them.

 

[norm9]

Nazi lives matters up in here.

Also, fuck that dude with the fake ass asian name. The trend on the ibternet is generally pretending to be black, not asian.

 

[Earthbound64]

Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.

Oh, alright, thanks for the heads-up.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I didn't misunderstand shit. Your point was terrible.

My point was that the US hasn't answered these questions as a society.

You all thought I wanted to water down the term "Nazi" by asking what it even means.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Well then fucking go ahead and have a public debate about it in the US.
I didn't ask these questions because I want answers, I asked them because the US hasn't answered them.

Because from where I am standing most of you have no idea what makes a Nazi...
Half the country thinks Hitler was left because his party had "socialism" in its name.
Nationalism isn't recognized as the toxic ideology it is.
Nazism is broken down to a few stereotypical indicators.
Nazis are universally seen as evil, yet Nazi ideology is extremely present in right wing media and Republican politics and its mostly just accepted.




Yeah, for example if he had a TV show on Fox or a column on Breitbart or Infowars.
Would someone dare to beat him up?
How would the public react?










You all misunderstood my point. Read above.

I have no idea what point you are arguing anymore. The man who was punched was wearing a Nazi armband, of his own freewill, harassing people, of his own freewill, and espousing hateful rhetoric, so to say he was a Nazi is pretty much a forgone conclusion. He talked shit, he got hit.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Well then fucking go ahead and have a public debate about it in the US.
I didn't ask these questions because I want answers, I asked them because the US hasn't answered them.

Because from where I am standing most of you have no idea what makes a Nazi...
Half the country thinks Hitler was left because his party had "socialism" in its name.
Nationalism isn't recognized as the toxic ideology it is.
Nazism is broken down to a few stereotypical indicators.
Nazis are universally seen as evil, yet Nazi ideology is extremely present in right wing media and Republican politics and its mostly just accepted.




Yeah, for example if he had a TV show on Fox or a column on Breitbart or Infowars.
Would someone dare to beat him up?
How would the public react?










You all misunderstood my point. Read above.

If you want to know why a lot of Americans refuse to acknowledge Nazism on the rise in the US, you'd probably get a better answer from those kinds of people.

Pargin's probably free

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Oh, alright, thanks for the heads-up.

Heather Heyer must have missed the memo.............

 

[Isak_Borg]

My point was that the US hasn't answered these questions as a society.

You all thought I wanted to water down the term "Nazi" by asking what it even means.

Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here and need to get on the right side of history or you might end up on a list.

 

[joe_zazen]

Literally what happened here:

https://youtu.be/hYQXbmgC7AQ

I think the kid died tho :/

Went too far

So saying one is against this type of violence means you will be called a nazi sympathizer and risk banning or or demodding?

This is one hardcore forum.

 

[Haly]

My point was that the US hasn't answered these questions as a society.

It sure did. The old line we used was somewhere around a few years of systematic ethnic genocide.

 

[MikeyB]

Didn't essentially self identify as a Nazi?
I am not talking about cases like that.
I am talking about some of the people we see on Fox News, the people who write for Breitbart or other outlets, and even some politicians who spew a deeply nationalist message like Steve King for example.

Are they not Nazis? Why aren't they seen as Nazis?

I don't get where the line is drawn in the US. Why is Richard Spencer a Nazi but Sean Hannity isn't?

I assume you mean the first deregatory term below when you say Nazis?

I am guessing that that term isn't applied to all racists and authoritarians in the US because (1) it would sadly be too broad to be useful and (2) there are enough folks kicking around like the KO'd asshole who support the ideology of the historical definition wholehog.

1.historical
a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

derogatory
* a person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.

* a person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.
"I learned to be more open and not such a Nazi in the studio"

 

[sirap]

There are some very fine people on both sides.

.

 

[platocplx]

were bout to hit 70 pages soon, it blows my mind were still playin the hypothetical game, and a dumb one at that

And just diverging from what the topic is. A nazi got punched and he deserved it. That's it. All this shit trying to classify nazi and nationalist and/or just a racist bigot is so got damn stupid. They all deserve physical harm as soon as they are bold enough to come to other people's spaces and try to harm or intimidate them etc. it's that simple.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Oh, alright, thanks for the heads-up.

Thats literally the lesson Europe is currently learning with its rise of the far right.

Nazi parties have existed in Europe for decades, the stereotypical ones.
They were irrelevant, not a threat to democracy in any way.

But now Nazis reimagined themselves and appear in form of a Le Pen or Alice Weidel.
The same nazi ideology but presented in a somewhat politically correct way.
And its wildly successful and a real threat to western values as a whole.

 

[MCN]

What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

FUCKING SERIOUSLY?

 

[hermitpurple]

Did this forum get invaded by a bunch of Russian bots or something? What's with all these nazi sympathizers.

 

[Dog Problems]

Did someone really ask why is nazism bad?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

So saying one is against this type of violence means you will be called a nazi sympathizer and risk banning or or demodding?

This is one hardcore forum.

🔥🔥🔥

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

.

Hitler DID help start Volkswagen

 

[hipbabboom]

I understand your point here but I really want to practically explore this "beat up all the Nazis" angle a little more. How about a short-term field study to collect some data.