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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves
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For real, dude is a hero.
We need more nazis getting punched and less "oh gosh maybe both sides have valid points, let's hear them out". Like, that may work with most political differences but it kinda doesn't when one side advocates literal fucking genocide.
If you are using nazi symbols, you are explicitly threatening the lives of millions of people. Don't try to act like a victim when those people defend themselves, especially when the government and police have shown that they have no interest in defending them.
No sympathy for that cunt.
No sympathy for that cunt.
Hint: Nazis aren't considered terrorists in the same way that ISIS and their sympathizers are.
I wonder why that is.
Rumblebones
Banned
After a week of hearing assholes tell black people to get over a racist saying the n-word, this shit brings a smile to my face.
Some people seem to legitimately not understand what the Nazi's were, some responses are just baffling.
The folks making the ISIS comparison are right, if this guy was out there waving an ISIS flag talking about how all the infidels need to die then nobody would give a fuck if he got smacked, and the Nazi's are responsible for evil shit that's on a whole different level to anything ISIS can claim.
The folks making the ISIS comparison are right, if this guy was out there waving an ISIS flag talking about how all the infidels need to die then nobody would give a fuck if he got smacked, and the Nazi's are responsible for evil shit that's on a whole different level to anything ISIS can claim.
JaseMath
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What a lazy position to take. So let's not aspire to better ourselves because that's the established norm? Continue to fight hate and intolerance with violence?
If you think punching a Nazi is morally equivalent to being a Nazi, you're part of the problem.
Vicetrailia
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So are you going to actually do anything, or just preach while you watch poc get verbally oppressed by nazis everywhere? When the shit gets real Antifa will be around, but will you? You don't want youtube or the government to do anything either.
Okay, well, if the guy was actively harassing people and inciting violence then yes, he does deserve to get punched for it.
I've given it some more thought, and I think I understand resorting to vigilante violence. I don't like mob justice, but I understand why everyone here is rolling with it now.
It's because so many systems in the country have completely failed on so many levels. The police have failed to punish Nazi harassment, and in some cases actively perpetuate it. Not just a few bad apples, but on a systemic level, they perpetuate it. The courts do the same thing. The fucking president is a neo-Nazi.
When all the systems that, in a normal world, are supposed to fight against these horrible things are instead condoning and propagating it, then all that's left is for the people to fight to protect themselves. They shouldn't have to, but that's all that they have left.
So I understand why it's come to this. It depresses me, but I understand.
I've given it some more thought, and I think I understand resorting to vigilante violence. I don't like mob justice, but I understand why everyone here is rolling with it now.
It's because so many systems in the country have completely failed on so many levels. The police have failed to punish Nazi harassment, and in some cases actively perpetuate it. Not just a few bad apples, but on a systemic level, they perpetuate it. The courts do the same thing. The fucking president is a neo-Nazi.
When all the systems that, in a normal world, are supposed to fight against these horrible things are instead condoning and propagating it, then all that's left is for the people to fight to protect themselves. They shouldn't have to, but that's all that they have left.
So I understand why it's come to this. It depresses me, but I understand.
If Nazis don't wanna get punched they can choose to stop being Nazis
Either you're not a nazi or u get wrecked. Seems simple to me!
They are by the bureaucrats. The opening sentence of the background section of the Countering Violent Extremists report to congress in April 2017 reads,
"White supremacists, anti-government extremists, radical Islamist extremists, and other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremists have been active in the United States for decades."
Or the intelligence bulletins that aren't read by your president.
TheOohChild
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I feel slight reassurance knowing a nazi tried to get reckless today, and an upstanding citizen had their ticket ready for the knockout raffle.
First, I don't think that the punch itself was pre-mediated. It looked like he got in the wrong person's face and then was responded to.
Second, I think that him getting punched was literally the best option available. His injuries are not life threatening, and as I said, this is likely the first repercussion he's ever had for his behavior. In a more just U.S.A. there would be actual (rather than theoretical) repercussions for the Nazi that did not involve this gentleman having to punch this man. But that is simply not how the U.S. works. Trump was a big wake up call to me. I will always wish for better, but not dealing with the reality in front of us for so long in any meaningful way is what has allowed it to fester. Some kind of meaningful repercussion where there was none before is the answer, imo. Otherwise, what changes will occur? Ignoring them doesn't work. Police forces are by and large turning a blind eye (at best). The president is condoning it. Legislation writers are more concerned with overseas brown "terrorists" from oil-free countries than these actual terrorists.
I also don't think shooting him dead quite lines up. He was allowed to walk away from that punch and continue his way of life (preferably without encroaching on others, I hope). Loss of life or otherwise permanent injury would be something I would not condone *unless* it was self defense, much like I feel this punch was self defense (and deserved), but non-lethal and non crippling. You see the clip of the Nazi with the guns, right? And of course there's Charlottesville, and if these people had their way, additional Charlottlevilles. We can't be too careful with these people unless they decide to literally practice what they are preaching. If anything, I will keep shaking my head at the society that gives that man no other realistic option than to punch. Same with Spencer's puncher. I guess it's up to each individual where they want to draw the line, and death/permanent injury will be mine (since that is literal Nazi territory). I'd love to throw them all in prison where they can't harm anyone, but again, not gonna happen.
If you haven't seen by now, I am all about repercussions for these instigators to violence. Once the law actually provides some repercussions so they don't feel quite so confident in their ability to terrorize the innocent without punishing intervention, then and only then will i join you in decrying this punch. Until then, I'll blame the Nazi for bring a Nazi, every time. Zero tolerance is not giving these people a single inch to spread this filth and threats of violence in public places where innocents who are trying to mind their business and just walk by fear for their lives (again, Charlottesville, WW2, ect), for reacting to their actions and calls. For shutting down their "argument" of genocide and terror. That debate was never going to be civil, so why put on airs? Why entertain them even a little bit? Free speech has never protected people from repercussions, but they haven't been seeing them. Imagine if they were actually scared of law enforcement realistically responding to them unkindly *before* someone died? What a world that would be. As it stands, they are more scared of the public, because they *might* respond. They used to be scared of being outed at all due to social stigma...
DontBeThatGuy
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That KO video is a thing of beauty.
Go back into the shadows, you stupid fuck.
Go back into the shadows, you stupid fuck.
He'll be exactly where he is now hiding behind his computer offering worthless platitudes.
So tell me, what would you have done if you were walking down the street and a guy wearing a swastika was talking shit to everyone including you?
HiredN00bs
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I keep seeing people post about Nazi sympathizers. Were there any Nazi sympathizers in the thread, or are people just using this vile label for people who argue against vigilantism again? By this same way of thinking, aren't people that argue against the death penalty murderer sympathizers?
It's a good question, one most people will never deal with. You could try to de-escalate the situation, which would probably be best for everyone. You could shout back at him. You could tell him you were calling the police (which we know people did here, and rightfully so). You could rally a group of people to take action against him by assigning roles, someone to alert the authorities, someone to attend to the people being harassed, someone to keep him in check (preferably someone large). And you know, the police might have to use force, but that's what they're there for.
Some people just don't have the moral fortitude to rise up to the occasion when faced with evil. And that's fine. Go stand at the sidelines and continue shaking your heads while those with valor tackle hatred head on.
KibblesBits
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Why he would have a civilized discussion and try to change the man's mind through polite discourse.
And he'd probably get into a fight and have his ass kicked.
That'd be appropriate considering Vanilla Ice's real name is Robert Van Winkle and that nazi punk's naptime came extra early. With any luck he'll wake up after the election too.
Not everyone who gets the death penalty is a murderer, or even a criminal, hence the actual moral issues with an active death penalty.
Everyone who sports Nazi memorabilia and talking points is definitely, 100%, without fail, a Nazi-- aka, a person who spouts genocide and will kill a minority given the chance-- hence why most people here are wondering why the fuck people have any reservations with punching the brazen ones in the face.
If we had a way to determine with 100% certainty every single person who ever murdered someone else and thus it was practically impossible to make a false conviction, then sure, you would have point. Otherwise, this is yet another false equivalence that normalizes Nazis.
BotoxAgent
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this nazi asshat pissing on the legacy of all of those who sacrificed themselves the WW2 to eradicate Nazis.
Wearing Nazi symbols in public is not okay
Wearing Nazi symbols in public is not okay
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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On the one hand, the embrace of political violence, even for good, is pretty clearly a deleterious deterioration of the political fabric of the country, and I will continue to push back against it, even when directed against evil, for that reason.
On the other hand, how can one even begin to give a shit about a goddamned Nazi being punched?
On the other hand, how can one even begin to give a shit about a goddamned Nazi being punched?
Also, let's see if any of the posters here telling people violence isn't the answer would even flinch had someone punched an asshole carrying an ISIS flag.
You wear the symbols of genocidal cunts, you get punched. Simple.
If I recall correctly, Americans took POWs and the Nuremburg trials and subsequent Nuremberg proceedings did not consist of American generals punching the accused out cold.
It is possible to believe both that Nazis are evil to be stopped and that one should use a legal process to determine how they should be dealt with.
HiredN00bs
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It's not a false equivalence because Nazi isn't a discrete state.
It's a strawman to say that doubt of guilt is the only reason people advocate against the death penalty.
And in no way does being against vigilantism normalize Nazis. You and everyone else making that argument are being intellectually lazy.
Can't do that Europe because that's where the genocide happened.
So you know what's gotta happen in America first for us to follow suit. We're stupid and slow like that.
parrotbeak
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We'd put up monuments to the people who committed the genocide because history.
Imp the Dimp
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Rules regarding Nazism and symbolism aren't quite uniform over here. I know for a fact swastikas are forbidden in Germany, Austra and France (unless for educational or cultural purposes) and surely some other countries. I do recall seeing swastikas (as in "souvenirs") in Italy and Spain though.
I feel great.
Ha, this is pretty much what I've been thinking reading through this thread. I am pretty shocked at the open embrace of political violence in this thread, but at the same time, uh, the video is pretty sweet.
I'm glad SOMEONE got this reference.
same reason white dudes can walk around with fully loaded AR 15s, but if you're black and holding a nerf gun you'll be executed on the spot
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I think a lot of us who are cool with or even happy about a Nazi getting punched see a clear distinction between a Nazi getting punched and the more nebulous "political violence."
Being unequivocally opposed to violence no matter what the context sounds good in a vacuum but that's about the only place.
I don't think so, otherwise the Westboro* Baptist Church probably wouldn't be around (the people who wave God Hates Fags signs and flags at funerals and such).
Calling a literal Nazi getting punched and getting up/walking away after "political violence" seems a bit too flowery for me, tbh.
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Dealing with reality =/= "lazy". What's really lazy is our officials and law enforcement not coming up with better preemptive solutions to literal Nazis, who have literally murdered people *and* keep the idea of genocide close to their hearts, *especially* in the wake of Charlottesville. How about *that* get addressed instead of finger-wagging those who choose not to be submissive domestic terrorism victims? The piece of shit walked away and his headache will be gone in a day or two. If the Nazis have their way, the opposite will not be true.
Yes, he could be. Depending on what he was yelling, it might qualify as malicious harassment.
Rumblebones
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You're right he deserved but he got.
But he is a Nazi. He is.
Nazis didn't go away.
They imported their ideology and got better at hiding it, but now they have a fellow white supremacist they're emerging from the shadows.
They're out in the open and they're violent. Give no quarter.
We fought a war against the Nazi and became a better world because of it. So yeah. Violence is working against these fucks.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
That's the new 'loser' armband?
I don't agree with the guys assessment, but it's been a pretty clear loser armband for decades now
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