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[Boke1879]

I look around, and can't tell PS4 consumers from Xbox consumers from forum posts.

Do you think I'm a PS4 consumer? Or do I only get counted as one if I appear to dislike Xbox?

I'm sure you have a segment of users on both sides who do care about this. But as I've said. It doesn't seem too many people really hold this as a big deal.

The people that seem to care the most are fanboys on either side trying to get their digs in at each other.

I follow plenty of Playstation and Xbox gamers on twitter. Both hardcore and casual. This is something that doesn't even get brought up.

 

[Melchiah]

That's not hypocrisy. That's a condition that can (and has) prevented some games from being crossplay. What's the condition on Sony's side for XB1+PS4 crossplay? Maybe if they make it known (and there actually is one they'd allow), then studios like Psyonix could accommodate it.

Well, apparently he didn't like to see them leave PC-XBO crossplay on in Fortnite.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Wow, just got caught up after work.

Why is Phil Spencer full of shit? Have I missed something?

I've been a huge fan since he stepped up and took the burning fire of Xbox out.

The actions he has taken and policies/changes he's embedded all seem like good, positive moves.

Really have I missed something?

People are calling him out and the people massively shitting on Sony because as this article pertains solely to Fortnite and his comment saying he wishes they would have kept it on, is mostly bullshit considering Fortnite had PC to XB1 crossplay for a good 5-6 weeks before all of a sudden in patch notes it was mentioned by the Fortnite team that Crossplay on XB1 had been disabled due to MS Policy issues. So this is an issue between Epic Games and MS so ball would be fully in his and Epics court to fix the issues between PC and XB1 crossplay.

While the game itself still fully supports PC to PS4 crossplay and has since release. It's only the PC to XB1 crossplay that has been disabled. So his tweet has people calling him out because he will say one thing but the company he champions is doing completely different.

Feel free to shit on Sony for their crossplay issues with Rocket league and Minecraft all day long but this games and this issue of crossplay is solely between Epic and MS and really has nothing to do with Sony so there's a very strange sense of crossed wires in here considering this thread has a huge amount of random fuck Sony posts even though this thread itself has nothing to do with Sony.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Microsoft requested the removal of cross play, good guy Spencer says he would love to have seen it not removed.

hypocrite.

Hyperbole example.

 

[Melchiah]

While the game itself still fully supports PC to PS4 crossplay and has since release. It's only the PC to XB1 crossplay that has been disabled. So his tweet has people calling him out because he will say one thing but the company he champions is doing completely different.

So, Fortnite has PS4-PC crossplay, but no crossplay with XBO and any other platform? That's rich, given his comment.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

This and the FFXIV debacle stink of hypocrisy.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1114342&page=1

See, you call it hypocrisy and I call it as something Microsoft were actively working on at that time.

This post you quoted was from September 19, 2015 - two years ago today amusingly.

At that point they didn't have a framework in place to accommodate cross-network play, but they did by March 2016 - six months after the post.

http://news.xbox.com/2016/03/14/letter-chris-charla-idxbox-updates-gdc/

To clarify, your cherry picking was accurate at the time, but they couldn't speak to specifics of something they worked on (or subsequently would start to work on). They did however address it six months down the line.

They support it. That much is certain.

 

[Cheat Code]

HAHAHAHA

IT LITERALLY WORKED FINE AND SONY BLOCKED IT

FUCKING CUNTS

 

[yukianderson]

Like many said. In the patch notes Epic stated it was removed at the request of MS. Now it's been edited. Why that was there in the first place is anyone's guess.

Fuck MS

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

HAHAHAHA

IT LITERALLY WORKED FINE AND SONY BLOCKED IT

FUCKING CUNTS

You didn't read the thread did you? Microsoft requested the removal.

 

[Duchess O'Death]

Well, apparently he didn't like to see them leave PC-XBO crossplay on in Fortnite.

.


Also why didn't they do something about CoD not supporting crossplay between Steam and Win10?

 

[Boke1879]

HAHAHAHA

IT LITERALLY WORKED FINE AND SONY BLOCKED IT

FUCKING CUNTS

You didn't read the OP your thread at all did you?

That's why I say comments like this are nothing but mere drive by shit posts.

 

[_Ryo_]

They should have kept it on. If you dont need any sort of MS login to crossplay at all with Xbox One players then there is absolutely no reason at all to not allow it.

This is on Sony. They should stop being stubborn fucking asshats and allow crossplay.

 

[HStallion]

Maybe at the first E3 for the PS5 and X2 hopefully Sony and MS come out with different stances on Cross Play and it blows up in the face for whoever its against. It will be like the whole used games DRM thing for a new generation.

 

[Melchiah]

See, you call it hypocrisy and I call it as something Microsoft were actively working on at that time.

This post you quoted was from September 19, 2015 - two years ago today amusingly.

At that point they didn't have a framework in place to accommodate cross-network play, but they did by March 2016 - six months after the post.

http://news.xbox.com/2016/03/14/letter-chris-charla-idxbox-updates-gdc/

To clarify, your cherry picking was accurate at the time, but they couldn't speak to specifics of something they worked on (or subsequently would start to work on). They did however address it six months down the line.

They support it. That much is certain.

So, what about removing XBO-PC crossplay from Fortnite just recently?

There's one thing in common with this and the FFXIV thing two years ago. Both times he resorted to bullshit. Then it was blaming exclusivity, now it's overlooking the removal of crossplay with PC players.

 

[Synth]

Yessir basically the way it work for both consoles was... that Console players would link their console account to an Epic Games Account. PC users could then add their friends either on PSN or on XBL to their friends list on the PC clients and then PC users could invite players on their friends lists into parties and crossplay would be possible. This only worked PC-PS4 and PC-XB1 it never allowed a PC person to invite both a PSN and XBL user but you could add multiples of the same ecosystem so 2PC-2PS4 or 1PC-3XB1 but for a good while now this only supports PS4-PC and no longer PC-XB1 since that patch and those patch notes came out.

That is the main point people here are trying to make with people calling out Sony as it pertains to Fortnite.

Ah ok. This does make things clearer... but doesn't clarify that when you actually entered a game, it wasn't just bundling XB1+PS4+PC players all against each other (which based on prior reports, along with this one, seems to have been the case). We're not really discussing a party system (which many crossplay games actually still lack), we're discussing the actual crossplay itself. Despite that option being previously removed, PS4 and XB1 players still ended up playing against each other. It would make sense for a party system between PC+Xbox to be removed, if there's not actually PC+Xbox matchmaking.

Where's the outrage in the larger media, the social media campaign or viral ribbing, the declining sales in hard and or softwarw as a result?

Spencer is trying hard to rile up the crowds for obvious reasons... But I just don't see it outside Gaf tbh, and even here it's very sporadic and mostly rears its heard up when Spencer or an interested dev/ studio tries to push the issue.

That's different to separating the discussion to "PS4 consumers" though. It implies that those that do care are solely Xbox consumers, not PS4 players or owners of both platforms.. and you don't have any way to know that for any given poster unless they explicitly tell you. It's just something I've seen come up in the discussion numerous times, and it's not really an honest argument.

I'm sure you have a segment of users on both sides who do care about this. But as I've said. It doesn't seem too many people really hold this as a big deal.

The people that seem to care the most are fanboys on either side trying to get their digs in at each other.

I follow plenty of Playstation and Xbox gamers on twitter. Both hardcore and casual. This is something that doesn't even get brought up.

Yea, I know plenty that don't care either, along with some that do. It's not a given expectation that crossplay should just work in the way that we simply assume apps should work across say different mobile platforms. That's not what I was getting at though, Elandyll specific claims PS4 consumers don't care, as though they're able to differentiate who involved in the discussion is or isn't a PS4 consumer.

 

[Boke1879]

They should have kept it on. If you dont need any sort of MS login to crossplay at all with Xbox One players then there is absolutely no reason at all to not allow it.

This is on Sony. They should stop being stubborn fucking asshats and allow crossplay.

Then why did Epic in their own patchnotes remove PC to xbox crossplay at Microsofts request?

PS to PC cross is still a go.

It seems in this situation it's not just a straight "Fuck Sony" response that will do.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

So, what about removing XBO-PC crossplay from Fortnite just recently?

There's one thing in common with this and the FFXIV thing two years ago. Both times he resorted to bullshit. Then it was blaming exclusivity, now it's overlooking the removal of crossplay with PC players.

If they removed the phrasing blaming Microsoft then perhaps, maybe they didn't mean to put that in there in the first place.

Or perhaps it just needed to go through certification before it can be officially switched on - like any patch on a console game.

 

[yukianderson]

Then why did Epic in their own patchnotes remove PC to xbox crossplay at Microsofts request?

PS to PC cross is still a go.

It seems in this situation it's not just a straight "Fuck Sony" response that will do.

Since it does not fit the narrative of fuck Sony they will make an excuse and continue to say fuck Sony.

 

[cakely]

You didn't read the OP your thread at all did you?

That's why I say comments like this are nothing but mere drive by shit posts.

And this is one thread of many like it.

I really have to stop reading these threads, there's nothing to gain from it.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Ah ok. This does make things clearer... but doesn't clarify that when you actually entered a game, it wasn't just bundling XB1+PS4+PC players all against each other (which based on prior reports, along with this one, seems to have been the case). We're not really discussing a party system (which many crossplay games actually still lack), we're discussing the actual crossplay itself. Despite that option being previously removed, PS4 and XB1 players still ended up playing against each other. It would make sense for a party system between PC+Xbox to be removed, if there's not actually PC+Xbox matchmaking.

Honestly as far as I know there is no cross platform matchmaking for PC-PS4 just like when they had PC-XB1 it's invite based only for Cross platform play so regardless a PC player would have to make a group. This bug that the article stats was in fact a bug that allowed cross platform matchmaking which was never an option for PC-PS4 crossplay or an option for PC-XB1 crossplay when it was active.

 

[_Ryo_]

Then why did Epic in their own patchnotes remove PC to xbox crossplay at Microsofts request?

PS to PC cross is still a go.

It seems in this situation it's not just a straight "Fuck Sony" response that will do.

Microsoft is in the wrong and Phil Spencer is a hyprocritical arse if that is true. I dont see why you would think I would be exclusively against Sony on this. If you are in the wrong,you are in the wrong no matter which company you work for.

Dont ever mistake me as someone who takes sides according to which platform I prefer. If there is something I think is bullshit, I will call it out.

 

[jonscrambler]

Then why did Epic in their own patchnotes remove PC to xbox crossplay at Microsofts request?

PS to PC cross is still a go.

It seems in this situation it's not just a straight "Fuck Sony" response that will do.

we don't know why it's removed, could be just temporary to satisfy some condition, I would be surprised in a few weeks if that's not restored, Sony is the one blocking crossplay on multiple games so yeah Fuck Sony

 

[SmokedMeat]

well it's more because the ability to play ps4 vs xbox was left in by mistake, it seems epic patched it out.. and phil spencer drops a tweet to say i wish they'd kept it it.. implying that evil sony forced epic to remove it..
then hilarity ensued....

all the while knowing that MS own policy stopped cross play between xbox and pc..

Given the knee jerk reactions by many in this thread, it worked. You can see who jumps to conclusions to join the pile on, and who doesn't.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

That's not hypocrisy. That's a condition that can (and has) prevented some games from being crossplay. What's the condition on Sony's side for XB1+PS4 crossplay? Maybe if they make it known (and there actually is one they'd allow), then studios like Psyonix could accommodate it.

(A napkin is slid toward Sony)

Xbox One + Playstation 4?

(Sony takes out a marker and scribbles on the napkin. Then slides it back)

Xbox One + Playstation 4?

('-')/ Windows 10/Linux/Mac + Playstation 4 + iOS/Android \('-')

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Microsoft is in the wrong and Phil Spencer is a hyprocritical asshole if that is true. I dont see why you would think I would be exclusively against Sony on this. If you in the wrong,you are in the wrong no matter which company you are.

Dont ever mistake me as someone who takes sides according to which platform I prefer. If there is someone I think is bullshit, I will call it out.

He only replied like that because you literally ended your post with

"This is on Sony. They should stop being stubborn fucking asshats and allow crossplay."

When this thread and article has absolutely zero to do with Sony crossplay views or policy. So you got lumped in to the rest of the Neanderthals whose only take away from this is "fuck Sony" when this literally has nothing to do with Sony.

This is purely head of MS saying he would've liked to have seen crossplay stay enabled yet this game no longer has PC-XB1 crossplay because of some sort of issue between Epic and MS...

 

[hemo memo]

Having a policy that governs Crossplay (ie "here are the rules to implement") and blocking Crossplay (ie "you can't do this") are not at all the same thing, and it's disingenuous to suggest so.

Of course there are rules, there are rules for every part of the game on every platform.

We need a day with no rules. 1 day of no platform restrictions and complete cross play with all consoles for all multiplatform games.

I can dream.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

we don't know why it's removed, could be just temporary to satisfy some condition, I would be surprised in a few weeks if that's not restored, Sony is the one blocking crossplay on multiple games so yeah Fuck Sony

But in this case the bolded is off topic. There are threads for that post. It just derails when there wasn't even any clue that sony was what caused Xbox players to not have a Xbox+PC cross play option like PC+PS4's.

 

[Synth]

Honestly as far as I know there is no cross platform matchmaking for PC-PS4 just like when they had PC-XB1 it's invite based only for Cross platform play so regardless a PC player would have to make a group. This bug that the article stats was in fact a bug that allowed cross platform matchmaking which was never an option for PC-PS4 crossplay or an option for PC-XB1 crossplay when it was active.

It can't be "invite only", if the invite system was already removed, and PS4 and XB1 players still got matched. The party invites are separate to the actual matchmaking.

 

[BigEmil]

Cash in on the good pr while you can

 

[Neuromancer]

Scumbag Sony strikes again

 

[Crayon]

Phil may have jumped the shark here on this issue.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

It can't be "invite only", if the invite system was already removed, and PS4 and XB1 players still got matched. The party invites are separate to the actual matchmaking.

It is though. That's why Epic is saying it was a bug, it may be as simple as a toggle in their server and matchmaking system and this toggle was checked which pooled all players together but from EA release to now aside from when it was bugged if you go into matchmaking it'll only group you with same platform people. So if I go to the mission choice map and hit Play With Others... even if I'm on PS4 or PC it won't group me with randoms from other consoles. Crossplay only works through invites... now obviously it worked differently during the small period of time this all happened but that's not how it has always worked. The matchmaking only groups you with people on your current platform.

 

[Gowans]

People are calling him out and the people massively shitting on Sony because as this article pertains solely to Fortnite and his comment saying he wishes they would have kept it on, is mostly bullshit considering Fortnite had PC to XB1 crossplay for a good 5-6 weeks before all of a sudden in patch notes it was mentioned by the Fortnite team that Crossplay on XB1 had been disabled due to MS Policy issues. So this is an issue between Epic Games and MS so ball would be fully in his and Epics court to fix the issues between PC and XB1 crossplay.

While the game itself still fully supports PC to PS4 crossplay and has since release. It's only the PC to XB1 crossplay that has been disabled. So his tweet has people calling him out because he will say one thing but the company he champions is doing completely different.

Feel free to shit on Sony for their crossplay issues with Rocket league and Minecraft all day long but this games and this issue of crossplay is solely between Epic and MS and really has nothing to do with Sony so there's a very strange sense of crossed wires in here considering this thread has a huge amount of random fuck Sony posts even though this thread itself has nothing to do with Sony.

Well, apparently he didn't like to see them leave PC-XBO crossplay on in Fortnite.

Microsoft requested the removal of cross play, good guy Spencer says he would love to have seen it not removed.

hypocrite.

So, what about removing XBO-PC crossplay from Fortnite just recently?

There's one thing in common with this and the FFXIV thing two years ago. Both times he resorted to bullshit. Then it was blaming exclusivity, now it's overlooking the removal of crossplay with PC players.

Reading up, The only source on this is now retracted patch notes, I wouldn't call that a fact in anyway, it could be true or it could be a typo, miss point anything.

The Announced Xbox Crossplay Policy is the fact, tho there is room to argue about that that means and the strings attached. It feels a stretch for the now retracted patch notes to lead to the statements here I think.

 

[Ehker]

Reading up, The only source on this is now retracted patch notes, I wouldn't call that a fact in anyway, it could be true or it could be a typo, miss point anything.

The Announced Xbox Crossplay Policy is the fact, tho there is room to argue about that that means and the strings attached. It feels a stretch for the now retracted patch notes to lead to the statements here I think.

A typo? This?
"Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One"

 

[CookTrain]

A typo? This?
"Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One"

On the flip side, if it's so cut and dry, why was it removed from the patch notes?

 

[Synth]

It is though. That's why Epic is saying it was a bug, it may be as simple as a toggle in their server and matchmaking system and this toggle was checked which pooled all players together but from EA release to now aside from when it was bugged if you go into matchmaking it'll only group you with same platform people. So if I go to the mission choice map and hit Play With Others... even if I'm on PS4 or PC it won't group me with randoms from other consoles. Crossplay only works through invites... now obviously it worked differently during the small period of time this all happened but that's not how it has always worked. The matchmaking only groups you with people on your current platform.

Ah ok, I'm with you now. I'd kinda confused myself a little, due to the PUBG-like mode that had been added, so was thinking in terms of requiring matchmaking even in the event of having invites.

That actually is weird then, because the system you currently described sounds almost identical to how Minecraft crossplay has worked across Win10 and Pocket Editions pre-Better Together. It certainly shouldn't be the same issue as FFXIV and DCUO, because the invite system would be inherently optional.

I'm legitimately struggling to think what the hang-up could be in that case, as it doesn't appear to have been attempting to do anything that other crossplay titles aren't already doing.

On the flip side, if it's so cut and dry, why was it removed from the patch notes?

I can definitely see the wording on something like that being changed to avoid explicitly pointing at any specific party in an official patch note. What I'm struggling with, is what could actual lead to it being removed.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

who has the console marketing deal with epic for Fortnite?

 

[Ehker]

On the flip side, if it's so cut and dry, why was it removed from the patch notes?

Probably because such policy discussions are usually kept confidential. That makes more sense than saying it was maybe a typo, anyway.

 

[CookTrain]

Probably because such policy discussions are usually kept confidential. That makes more sense than saying it was a typo, anyway.

Neither particularly make much sense.

 

[Head.spawn]

Then why did Epic in their own patchnotes remove PC to xbox crossplay at Microsofts request?

Why did they also go back to those same patchnotes and remove that line about it being at the request of Microsoft?

I'm not sure why people keep pointing to this as some kind of point of justification for the exclusion of crossplay with Xbox when we know for a fact that Sony is against it full-stop across the board. We also know that MS has no policy against crossplay with PC on any network.

Honestly as far as I know there is no cross platform matchmaking for PC-PS4 just like when they had PC-XB1 it's invite based only for Cross platform play so regardless a PC player would have to make a group. This bug that the article stats was in fact a bug that allowed cross platform matchmaking which was never an option for PC-PS4 crossplay or an option for PC-XB1 crossplay when it was active.

I don't think it was a bug so much as it literally being so trivial to add cross-play that the dev literally accidentally left it in.

I do hope no children were corrupted in the process tho, lol.

 

[yukianderson]

There's a very good chance of this happening next gen when they start from zero.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

There's a very good chance of this happening next gen when they start from zero.

I still don't see how it happens until the console manufactures stop with marketing deal and timed exclusives.

the way I see it, it looks like both companies are fine with cross play on PC with games they have marketing deals with? am I wrong on that? its when you start to bring in PS4 vs. Xbox that things get a little weird.

 

[dose]

A typo? This?
"Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One"

It's true, putting all those words in that particular order is an easy mistake to make.

 

[Complicated]

We went very quickly from "fuck Sony for their numerous terrible public statements on this issue" to "here's this conspiracy theory about why actually fuck Microsoft". Never change GAF.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

Why did they also go back to those same patchnotes and remove that line about it being at the request of Microsoft?

I could see MS and any company at that even Sony not being too keen on their business discussions being made public. Some sort of Non-disclosure agreement to not discuss the actual merits.

The original patch notes legit said "Per policy discussion with microsoft" and you tend to just not see that often in Patch notes and could easily see MS requesting or demanding to remove the phrase as too protect image/save face.

Originally it said "Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One" till simply changed till "removed ability for Pc friends to join players on Xbox One"

 

[Rain City Gamer]

My name is Phil Spencer and I'll say anything to make me look like the good guy

DING DING DING!

This guy floats along on good will and still hasn't really done anything yet. In fact people blame Mattrick for everything and most of it has been on Phil's watch both prior to being head of Xbox and after being Head of Xbox.

Wonder how much longer the Xbox faithful will just blindly praise Phil for having very little to support the praise.

 

[MrCaliaztec]

We went very quickly from "fuck Sony for their numerous terrible public statements on this issue" to "here's this conspiracy theory about why actually fuck Microsoft". Never change GAF.

But in this case for this game PS4 does have Crossplay with PC. This title did also at one time also have Crossplay between PC and XB1 which is does not anymore. So it's just really funny seeing him make a comment on wanting to keep it on for this game when for whatever reason there is something keeping Epic from allowing PC and XB1 to Crossplay like they were able to for a good few weeks before it was removed and the patch notes at one time referenced it being policy issues with Microsoft.

 

[CookTrain]

But in this case for this game PS4 does have Crossplay with PC. This title did also at one time also have Crossplay between PC and XB1 which is does not anymore. So it's just really funny seeing him make a comment on wanting to keep it on for this game when for whatever reason there is something keeping Epic from allowing PC and XB1 to Crossplay like they were able to for a good few weeks before it was removed and the patch notes at one time referenced it being policy issues with Microsoft.

But that's what everyone is asking about. I want to know what the hold up is with all these games getting roadblocked, regardless of who is responsible.

 

[CountAntonius]

The way these threads always degenerate to deflection and trying to shift the blame to the other platform holder as opposed to just being bummed about such a great featured not being allowed for us really shows how pervasive the fanboy mentality is. It's mostly defensive Sony fans but there is definitely a "both sides" argument to be made.

These are the worst threads on gaming side to be sure.

 

[CookTrain]

The way these threads always degenerate to deflection and trying to shift the blame to the other platform holder as opposed to just being bummed about such a great featured not being allowed for us really shows how pervasive the fanboy mentality is. It's mostly defensive Sony fans but there is definitely a "both sides" argument to be made.

These are the worst threads on gaming side to be sure.

Eh, even if the level of discourse has it's downs, keeping the conversation going is another avenue of keeping the pressure up. It's too good a benefit, in my opinion, to ease up over.