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Moving to Canada Advice

My company recently opened up several new positions in Canada and have asked for people willing to move out there and help pay for the moving bills and first 3 months of rent.

Most of the jobs are in Toronto, some are in Montreal. My wife and I have always wanted to travel the world and the idea of doing a year or more in Canada is really appealing.

Are there things I should know about before I start moving on this?

I'm from the UK and hold a British passport btw.
 
Speaking as an expat Canadian, it's a great country and should be very comfortable for you two overall.

- Your credit rating starts from scratch. So I wouldn't be in a hurry to cancel cards.

- Tax is never included in the listed price of anything.

- Toronto is perhaps the most american Canadian city, and the second most expensive. But it's comparatively big so there are lots of options.

- Montreal is much more affordable but if you don't live in an english pocket can be a bit daunting. Still, it has the most entertainment and arts, arguably. Getting a job in most fields may be more difficult for your wife unless she knows french, however.

- Myself and other gaffers can give specific advice if you narrow down a location - Montreal in particular has lots of quirks
 
I can speak for Toronto. Rent can be pretty dam expensive but overall cost of living isn't that bad tbh based on what I have seen from other countries. Nearly everyone in Toronto speaks English so there won't be a language barrier.

No matter what you do, you will not be prepared for your first winter
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Bag milk is like a purity test, so if you aren't always carrying some and announcing it to designated security checkpoints, you're getting your ass deported.
 

Tadaima

Member
I am a Briton and lived in Canada (Vancouver Island) for 4 years. Some of the best days of my life. It's a beautiful country with so much to see and do, especially if you love camping, hiking, etc. Canadian citizens also make the country a great place to live.
 
Denim Jackets are all the rage. Its a touque not a beanie. Mitts are better than gloves.

I am a Briton and lived in Canada (Vancouver Island) for 4 years. Some of the best days of my life. It's a beautiful country with so much to see and do, especially if you love camping, hiking, etc. Canadian citizens also make the country a great place to live.
East coaster originally but I've been on the island for 10 years now. Love it here.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Also if you can drop a series of in-jokes from the Red Green Show, your bill at every restaurant in the country is immediately slashed in half. It's like a law.
 
- Montreal is much more affordable but if you don't live in an english pocket can be a bit daunting. Still, it has the most entertainment and arts, arguably. Getting a job in most fields may be more difficult for your wife unless she knows french, however.

Getting a job in montreal for an english speaking person is not hard. It simply depends on the field you're in. Personally, i have never seen somebody give shit to another person cause they didn't talk french.

You just need to show an interest in learning the language.
 

Kazerei

Banned
Regarding Toronto, I'd recommend living somewhat close to where you work, because public transit sucks and commuting sucks.
 

AudioNoir

Banned
Husband and I lived in Montreal for a few years, and it was wonderful. He's French, but while I was there, I spoke very little. Montrealers are very accommodating (unless I happened to luck out every day for almost four years), but when you step out into the rest of Quebec, it can be hard to get by with no French.

I feel like it would be easier now to learn conversational French on the fly nowadays than back when we were there. We didnt have iPhones and language apps etc. Pair that with pure immersion in the environment and I don't think language will be an issue for long.

Wherever you end up, best of luck!
 
Getting a job in montreal for an english speaking person is not hard. It simply depends on the field you're in. Personally, i have never seen somebody give shit to another person cause they didn't talk french.

You just need to show an interest in learning the language.

Of course not. But a lot of the typical jobs ask for French proficiency in our experience. My wife did the intensive French training at UQAM and still wasn’t good enough to take on some of the roles that were interesting to her field. Like you say, there are options, but it’s going to be a stumbling block compared to westward.
 

Apathy

Member
If you're moving soon, winter is coming, so if you're not used to the cold get a good coat, boots and long johns if you really need it. A good coat for the winter can run you $200+ cad but it's better than feeling cold.

Both Toronto and Montreal have good transit systems, they can just sometimes be unreliable

If you plan on driving during the winter, you need to get accustomed to driving in snow and ice. Always give yourself extra distance between you and the car ahead of you and show down. Better to be late than not get there at all.

The British accent will have people treating you like royalty in Toronto, the opposite in Montreal.
 

Oppo

Member
well you certainly won't miss the Queen. she's on everything here.

i have a few friends from the UK who worked over here on visa for a year or two and wish they had stayed. they're furious over Brexit though.
 

PsionBolt

Member
The standard response to "thank you" is "thank you". Not with extra emphasis on the "you" or anything like that; just a straight-up neutral tone "thank you", same as they gave. Or even "thanks", if you're speaking casually.

People talk about "sorry" as the example of Canadian politeness, but in my experience, it's totally all about the "thank you".
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
You will have to love poutine and eat one every 90 days, it's the law.

A good canadian citizen(at least those in Quebec. since poutine is more popular here) eat poutine once every few weeks. :p The crazy ones probably eat it once every weeks at the minimum.
 
The standard response to "thank you" is "thank you". Not with extra emphasis on the "you" or anything like that; just a straight-up neutral tone "thank you", same as they gave. Or even "thanks", if you're speaking casually.

People talk about "sorry" as the example of Canadian politeness, but in my experience, it's totally all about the "thank you".
I like to say "no worries".

Its a respose to both thank you and sorry. Its like saying youre welcome.
 

Cmerrill

You don't need to be empathetic towards me.
Both are fantastic cities.

I lived in Toronto for a couple years and the Subway can be brutal.

If you move there, I recommend the Bloor West Village area. It's out of the downtown core, near beautiful High Park, and lots of great shops, bars.
 

MikeyB

Member
Pretty much everything is more expensive than the US but less expensive than the UK - housing, groceries (bread is more expensive than the UK though), books, clothes, electronics, internet.

But not health care.

Depending on where you end up living and what the winter is like, take up a wonter sport. Cross country if Ontario or prairies or maritimes, downhill skiing or boarding if anywhere else. It makes the cold bearable, cuz it means there is snow in them thar hills.
 

HiResDes

Member
The most ironic thing about both of these threads is that I've been recently looking at jobs in London, Canada... Is that a boring city?
 
A good canadian citizen(at least those in Quebec. since poutine is more popular here) eat poutine once every few weeks. :p The crazy ones probably eat it once every weeks at the minimum.
Yes I know, but the law says that we have to eat at least one poutine every 90 days, if not we get a fine and after three offences it's the prison.
 

Apathy

Member
The most ironic thing about both of these threads is that I've been recently looking at jobs in London, Canada... Is that a boring city?


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Tuck

Member
Toronto is a great city in a boring place. If you're moving because you want to travel and see cool things, Vancouver or Calgary would be the better option as they are close to the mountains (but both are worse cities than Toronto, Calgary especially).
 

Moppeh

Banned
The most ironic thing about both of these threads is that I've been recently looking at jobs in London, Canada... Is that a boring city?

I don't think anyone likes London, Ontario.

Toronto is a great city in a boring place. If you're moving because you want to travel and see cool things, Vancouver or Calgary would be the better option as they are close to the mountains (but both are worse cities than Toronto, Calgary especially).

Damn, you are making Ontario sound like Saskatchewan.
 

Entropia

No One Remembers
The most ironic thing about both of these threads is that I've been recently looking at jobs in London, Canada... Is that a boring city?

Comparatively, yes.

London is still more or less a college town with Western University and Fanshawe College.

We slowly are growing our tech scene so lots of jobs there.

When it comes to having things to do out of work, your options are pretty limited. There isn't a huge music and arts scene.

The hottest sports ticket in town are for the Knights (Jr. Hockey). The Knights consistently are one of the best Jr. teams in Canada and there's always at least 1-2 players each year that go on to have good NHL careers so definitely worth the watch.

The city is also divided with a good and bad side. There's a street that runs north-south called Adelaide. East of Adelaide (EoA) is considered the bad side of town. There's some pockets that are good of course!

If you do some reading as well, you may find out that unfortunately London can be a racist town. I can't speak to this because I'm a white guy so I'll have never experienced this. I also have not witnessed anything like that first hand either.

That being said - London is VERY affordable when you compare to other cities in Canada of this size or larger. You can get a decent home for $250k.
 
Getting a job in montreal for an english speaking person is not hard. It simply depends on the field you're in. Personally, i have never seen somebody give shit to another person cause they didn't talk french.

You just need to show an interest in learning the language.

I worked as a consultant for about a week on a project and while everyone spoke English to me at work so I could get stuff done it was really awkward when we all went out to lunch and everyone is talking and joking in French and you will like an idiot.
 

Oppo

Member
Toronto is a great city in a boring place. If you're moving because you want to travel and see cool things, Vancouver or Calgary would be the better option as they are close to the mountains (but both are worse cities than Toronto, Calgary especially).

ah it's not that bad. Muskoka, Prince Edward County, lots of nice areas. problem is escaping the city. it's tough.
 

Desi

Member
Husband and I lived in Montreal for a few years, and it was wonderful.

I feel like it would be easier now to learn conversational French on the fly nowadays than back when we were there. We didnt have iPhones and language apps etc. Pair that with pure immersion in the environment and I don't think language will be an issue for long.

Wherever you end up, best of luck!
How was the weather compared to where you are from? I visited last year and placed it on my list of places to move to if work allowed but I only saw it in August. Don't mind having to take an immersion French study class if I must.
 
Hope you like hockey! The season is starting soon, ends in June and it's on TV everynight!

Otherwise, you will learn to watch Football in the morning...

Also, Montreal > Toronto :)
 

erpg

GAF parliamentarian
Downtown Montreal is a great place to live. Great art and culture, nice parks. Highly recommend it.
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
How was the weather compared to where you are from? I visited last year and placed it on my list of places to move to if work allowed but I only saw it in August. Don't mind having to take an immersion French study class if I must.

I live a few hours north from Montreal, but what you can basically expect is 3-4 hot months(25-30 celsius) during summer between June & August/September. September usually start getting into the low 20s at most, but we've been lucky this year where it's 25-30. Then another 4-5 months of cold/snowy weather between December & April. January to March are the worst though. -15/-20 celsius(sometimes feels like -25/-30) and a few snowstorms that can sometimes be so bad you have to stay at home because the roads are too dangerous.
 

daemonic

Banned
Both cities are amazing with very different things to offer. Of course it all comes down to what kind of lifestyle you prefer and what's important to you. Here's my take:

Montréal is reminiscent of Europe with the architecture and general culture. By no means a flat, grid based city like Toronto, streets are often curved, angular and uphill or downhill depending on your direction. Makes it very charming. The way of life is much slower and relaxed compared to Toronto. People are out and about having fun and simply enjoying life. Not knowing any French can be a hindrance but you'll get by. There will definitely be times you will encounter a language barrier but that's all part of the experience. It's not as sprawling but that's also part of the charm.

Transit is good enough, food, bars, clubs, all great. Mount Royal is beautiful in summer as are all of the parks. Winter is generally harsh. Healthcare is a big issue, I can speak from experience that hospital service is lackluster and inefficient. Knowing French is an asset in this case. Many people have an issue with the language and fail to grasp or understand the culture. There can be a palpable disconnect between Anglo residents and French speakers but it all comes down to perspective. Some people can live there for years without knowing French and get by just fine.


Toronto is vast and dense. Modern but also a concrete jungle. There are tons of different neighbourhoods each with their own appeal. Chinatown, little Italy and Portugal, little India, Greek town, Korea town etc. Extremely diverse and tolerant city. I don't care for comparisons to the US, while you can see the commercial influence, the attitude of people is very different. The cultural diversity and general open mindedness of people is truly incredible. Transit on the surface appears to be okay, but the city has grown so rapidly that the infrastructure can't keep up. Everyone complains about traffic and transit.

Food is unbelievably good. There is an air of pretentiousness in the city. Lots of niche, underground scenes. People care very much about identity and like to exude a specific look. Cell phone culture is obnoxious, everyone is tethered to their phones. Nature wise, Niagara is relatively close, cottage country is really accessible, though there are no real impressive parks in the city. Lastly, it's expensive. Cost of living is much higher than Montréal. Much higher. Big one to keep in mind.

Both cities are of extreme weather. Hot muggy and humid in summer. Frigid and downright bone chilling in winter. I could go on and on but hopefully that paints a better picture OP. I've lived in both cities and love both equally.
 
If you end up in Montreal make sure you head up to Riviere de Loup (Wolf River) north of Quebec City. Its gorgeous there. I miss that place.
 
Torontonian here.

Rents are very expensive relative to income. Everything else is really competitively priced (shop around a bit).

Banks are immigrant friendly, so no worries there. If all you need is a bank account and credit card, it's really easy to setup.

Very safe almost everywhere. Whereabouts in the city is your job going to be?
 
That people from Toronto have a reputation for being incredibly rude.

I can see that, although I am not sure how that makes it the U.S of Canada. Are all Americans rude? I will agree with your initial post though, that Toronto is the most "American" city in Canada in terms of look and feel.
 

thelatestmodel

Junior, please.
That people from Toronto have a reputation for being incredibly rude.

Toronto is a "busy" city. It's not that the people are rude, they've just got shit to do. They are ambitious go-getters and tend to have less patience (I'm obviously generalizing a lot). It's a noticeably faster pace than most of the rest of the country and that can be a shock. But they are still lovely people.

The transit / traffic also sucks. It's not the easiest place to get around.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Are you driving or taking public transit? Will your accomodations be close to work?

I would only live with a long commute in Toronto if I had a car....even then traffic seems brutal.

Montreal has a great metro system. More interesting culture, and you'll be close to Ottawa and Quebec City. There are a lot of English speaking people in Montreal so the language barrier isn't too bad.

That people from Toronto have a reputation for being incredibly rude.

Yep. It's the most American city in that sense. Still much more polite than what I've experienced when travelling to the U.S. though. Ottawa and Montreal are much friendlier cities.

I can see that, although I am not sure how that makes it the U.S of Canada. Are all Americans rude? I will agree with your initial post though, that Toronto is the most "American" city in Canada in terms of look and feel.

I've only been to a handful of places in the U.S. Some have been incredibly rude. Chicago was probably the worst. The only place where people were overly friendly was Hawaii.
 

Galang

Banned
A bit confused at all this shade for Toronto... Yeah people are pretentious, but it's a nice city. Very LGBT friendly and very ethnically diverse. I've had a much more pleasant experience in Toronto than any other city I've lived in (at least in Canada). Also love how connected everything is and the transit is really good compared to everywhere else in Canada aside Vancouver and Montreal. In terms of the arts and entertainment it's also ace and I would only consider Vancouver as the other alternative. It just sucks since both cities are expensive to live in. I'm personally not fond of Montreal, but it would be my third pick. I also find the people in Montreal much ruder than the other two so I'm a bit puzzled at why Toronto is being singled out.
 
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