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New Zealand general Election 2017 thread - If you don't vote then zip it, sweetie
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So it's pretty much over, right?
Pretty much.
So it's pretty much over, right?
Hey now, hey now don't dream it's over.
So it's pretty much over, right?
Nope, not at all. It appears to all come down to Winston Peters who will take his time being courtered. He's probably already made up his mind but he will use as much time as possible to stay in the limelight at which point someone might actually get desperate and give him the keys to practically everything.
He sounded like he was on his knees giving Winston a bj. They cut away just before he handed over the lube and bent over.
Desperation....
That was cringeworthy at best
We'll see if it bears any fruition heh.
moffattron9000
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Does Winston have to be in power? Straight left and straight right are both far superior.
The only other combination that'd work is National Greens, which is unlikely.
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i mean look at the seat spread. a coalition is necesarry yes, so do the calculations.
its greens nzfirst and labour or national and nzfirst. hes kingmaker again
moffattron9000
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We haven't exactly disintegrated over the past decade, so we'll be fine.
That being said, Winston Peters, goddammit.
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They decimated the Maori Party, which is perhaps unsurprising since the Maori Party was a Labour splinter anyway and the Maori Party was perceived as having become too close to the Nationals.
moffattron9000
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Six kids still creeps me out.
That extra $1000 will go a long way to helping them get through the year.
lastplayed
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Labour the only party to have gained seats?
shinra-bansho
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Muskieratboi
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Y'all trying to tell me that the Kiwis, the most laid back and progressive people in Oceania, not only have a conservative government for a *fourth term*, but the balance of power lies with the NZ equivalent of One fucking Nation?!
Fuck.
Fuck.
moffattron9000
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I wonder which airport is going to cause this coalition to collapse?
moffattron9000
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Well to be fair, our Conservative party has claimed its place by basically being the CDU of New Zealand. They've also easily been the most liberal party in terms of immigration.
As for Winston, I may detest him and his assorted nonsense, but he's nowhere near One Nation. For starters, he rolls over the second that he actually has to attend to a real issue.
lastplayed
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Conservatives winning all around the world, yay
Collective action is dying off. Everything is about me me me now.
Well, he did actually lose seats compared to last time. Glass half full and all
Out of curiosity, would you guys prefer a National/Act/Green coalition?
shinra-bansho
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The former Prime Minister was very effective at claiming the middle ground in the political spectrum and really no stranger to U-turns or policy theft from the other side if it was sufficiently popular. And got into power by out-middling Clark, who herself was really good at staking claim to the middle.
Ardern was schooled by Clark, and worked for Tony Blair. She will probably eventually do to English what Key did to Clark. She will be Prime Minister sooner or later.
They were staring at another Cunliffe / Goff level loss; they're back up above Clark's losing election.
moffattron9000
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Well Act is a dude that looks like he belongs on Red Dwarf, not a party, so he doesn't count. As for National/Green, that is personally my prefered option. I also know that it's almost certainly not happening.
The more I think about it, Labour haven't really accomplished much at all. The 10% they gained was pretty much all taken from The Greens. Support for National still hasn't changed since 2008. NZ First might be what we need to finally take votes from National, as Winston will be deputy Prime Minister. And whatever government that ends up being will be an absolute nightmare and in serious trouble come next election
moffattron9000
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The crazy thing is that the only thing that shifts votes from left to right in New Zealand seems to be Winston Peters being crazy on the side that loses votes. After all, Helen Clark kept her support base at about 40 percent for three elections. One term with Winston however, and Labour drops five points off to National.
Well they got back the maori seats which is what has tipped the balance to potentially be in their favour.
Despite being an Act voter (this time, I am politically agnostic) I think labour will get it next time. They do need a clean out of their ranks - someone like grant Robertson should not have any level of power. At the moment they are a cult of personality around Arden.
shinra-bansho
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Seymour is responsible for the euthanasia bill getting into the ballot, has been vocal on the housing situation and that government should not interfere with ones choice over people choose to live their lives. Depsite thier history (and how Rodney Hide destroyed it, or Brash being associated with it) there actually is a lot of good things in their foundation that deserve representation - which after all is what the mmp system is designed for.
He should be thrown out like the other dreggs such as Coleman, Nick Smith and Judith Collins
He is not equipped to be any near any sort of finance portfolio
moffattron9000
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Say what you will about the evening, but I bought Juicies. Juicies are still fantastic.
Also; Ilam, you do know that you can still vote for National without voting for the bellend that fucked the city for the past six years, right?
Also; Ilam, you do know that you can still vote for National without voting for the bellend that fucked the city for the past six years, right?
lastplayed
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I don't understand who is voting for him. Oh well.
Piketty himself noted that neo liberalism found itself a much easier host when in English speaking countries. We're (nz) are uniquely compromised as the 84 Labour government was the one that began setting fire to the social state.
Australia was the same (and Canada?).
Not to the same extent as NZ, Australia still has unions, one can look to the safety of the pike river mine in NZ vurses aust mine safety issues. You can also look at how state and federal governments cracked down on Aussie insuarance firms and the self regulating bullshit inpite of the swaths of non payments during and after the Chch earthquakes.
NZ introduced new health and safety regulations about two years ago (after Pike), it has had a huge impact on business changes. At the company I work at we have gone from no health and safety employees to at least five. It's been drilled into our way of conducting things, I don't think we go a single day without mentioning it and it is the first topic on business updates with senior management (after all they can now be held personally accountable).
The gap still needs to be closed compared to the rest of the OECD but there has been some very important changes over the last few years, in particular cultural.
The gap still needs to be closed compared to the rest of the OECD but there has been some very important changes over the last few years, in particular cultural.
Personally accountable by little fines?
A person who contravenes subclause (1) commits an offence and is liable on conviction,—
(a)
for an individual, to a fine not exceeding $10,000:
(b)
for any other person, to a fine not exceeding $50,000.
Real wet bus ticket slaps here.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2016/0017/latest/DLM6732829.html
Compare and Contrast with Queensland
Category 1 - the highest penalty under either the WHS Act or the ES Act is for a category 1 offence. These are the most serious breaches where a duty holder recklessly endangers a person to risk of death or serious injury:
Corporation: up to $3 million
Individual as a person conducting a business or undertaking (PCBU) or an officer: up to $600,000/5 years jail
Individual (for example a worker): up to $300,000/5 years jail.
Category 2 - failure to comply with a health and safety duty or electrical safety duty that exposes a person to risk of death, serious injury or illness:
Corporation: up to $1.5 million
Individual as a PCBU or an officer: up to $300,000
Individual for example worker: up to $150,000.
Category 3 - failure to comply with a health and safety duty or electrical safety duty:
Corporation: up to $500,000
Individual as a PCBU or an officer: up to $100,000
Individual for example worker: up to $50,000.
Category 1 offences, involving reckless conduct, will be prosecuted in the District Court. Category 2 and 3 offences will be prosecuted in the Magistrates Court.
Appeals are made to the District Court.
https://www.business.qld.gov.au/running-business/whs/whs-laws/penalties
So we're waiting on the specials, this is where the supposed youthquake could be a thing and make a reasonable difference. National tend to lose seats with these and the Green gain seats. If National lose 2 then they go down to 56 and the Greens got these they go up to 9 seats.
This means National + NZ First = 65 seats or Labour + Greens + NZ First would be 63 seats.
At the moment it's
National + NZ First = 67 seats
Labour + Greens + NZ First = 61 seats
So I can see for Winston why the specials would make a difference, having a 3 vote majority vs 1 vote majority makes a large difference.
This means National + NZ First = 65 seats or Labour + Greens + NZ First would be 63 seats.
At the moment it's
National + NZ First = 67 seats
Labour + Greens + NZ First = 61 seats
So I can see for Winston why the specials would make a difference, having a 3 vote majority vs 1 vote majority makes a large difference.
You do know that the new health and safety act was based on Australia's right?
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0070/40.0/DLM5976660.html
moffattron9000
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I laughed for too much at this
Choppasmith
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Hey NZ GAF, American Kiwiphile here. Just saw this on my FB feed, didn't think it warranted its own thread, but I had to share it and it seemed fitting for this thread.
Speaking of the orange man...