Do you read the post that you're replying to? That shot that was posted was posted without context & people would have just looked at it & thought that the PS4 Pro textures was just that blurry compared to to Xbox One X when that wasn't the whole truth because those objects was meant to be blurred.
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[DF] Complete Gamescom Xbox One X Rise of the Tomb Raider analysis
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Do you read the post that you're replying to? That shot that was posted was posted without context & people would have just looked at it & thought that the PS4 Pro textures was just that blurry compared to to Xbox One X when that wasn't the whole truth because those objects was meant to be blurred.
The only enriched mode on PS4 Pro is 1080P .
You replied to bazookaxp's post that didn't include any pictures. This post makes no sense in context of the conversation.
I believe the enriched mode for PS4 Pro is 1080p max resolution. For the 1X, it is checkerboard 4K. The 4K mode for the Pro is checkerboard 4K, whereas the 1X is native 4K.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
For me, the high-fidelity textures are a much bigger game changer than the jump from faux-K to 4K.
How the hell did it not make any sense in the conversation when he was replying to my comment about the objects being blurred by the DoF effect?
I don't recall him ever saying there wasn't a difference in texture quality. A disingenuous, cherry-picked screenshot was used to draw comparison. While the claim is true that the texture quality is different, so is the claim that DoF is a factor in some of these shots. There are plenty of shots where the foreground isn't as blurred that offer a more valid comparison.
Please don't kid yourself otherwise.
It is & the fact that they can also use the none native 4K mode to also have resources left over to enrich the graphics.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Having seen this and looking ahead to the next generation. I think for me, the sweet spot would be for hardware to aim at CB-2160p, extra memory bandwidth for textures and a much fast processor for post processing and framerate.
I seriously hope they don't push for natvie 4K across the board - as nice as it is from a marketing perspective, sat six feet from your TV you just don't feel the same kind of difference between a checkerboarded 1440->2160 as you between higher quality textures and a locked 60fps.
Him & his buddies been following me around for over a year just disagreeing with anything I say even if it means making themselves look crazy in the process it's comical at this point & they will throw away all logic just to argue with me at any angle.
No just no please stop lol
thelastword
Banned
So those textures are a game changer, so I guess DOF, reflections and framerate can take a backseat, because it's all about ultra textures and native 4k?
Also, didn't the other thread prove that XBONEX has some lower quality textures than PC in some scenes?
Yes, DOF is definitely a factor. I can't believe the video-presenter at DF said there is a big difference in texture quality here, when one version is full of DOF. Get DOF on both versions and lets do this. I think this video should just be about framerate tbh...as the DOF issue is still present...
I still remember some people saying that, ultra and high textures were not far apart some years ago, but now it's all the rage,,,,,,,,
Journey
Banned
That is NOT a result from DoF, otherwise it would affect everything at that distance, not just a single object, in addition the textures look different, not just burred, but an entirely different map altogether, just look at your own posted screenshot.
What the fuck are you on about?
He literally said he would take the fauxK mode with all the extra effects AND the DOF than the native 4K mode.
There were many shots that were affected though in the previous thread for the last comparison, to the point where the ensuing confusion was mentioned by DF in the video discussed here. Again, the point is that there are more valid stills to compare than the conveniently misleading shot on the previous page.
That is NOT a result from DoF, otherwise it would affect everything at that distance, not just a single object, in addition the textures look different, not just burred, but an entirely different map altogether, just look at your own posted screenshot.
What's not a result of DoF? you can clearly see that the objects closer to Lara is more in focus than that object closer to the screen. that's done on purpose.
He didn't deny that DoF added to the blur. No one denied it. Which is why your comments are so puzzling.
I agree that those screenshots were disingenuous without context but the post he replied to didn't include those screenshots nor did he deny that DoF doesn't add to the blur.
I'm not kidding myself about anything.
I agree with you when you make sense as well. I also don't follow you. We both tend to post in tech related threads but you also tend to post nonsensical comments. There's a reason why a lot of people address some of your posts and it's definitely not because we're misunderstanding something. You make questionable comment, we reply, you shift or spin, we reply again, and you act like the problem is us and not the way you present your points. Even when addressed in a way you can't spin around, you either ignore the post entirely or hold firm to your original flawed point.
Look at your comments about CBR earlier in this thread as a perfect example. You hang on specific words without considering the context of how they are used. Whether someone says rendered or processed, the GG slide posted is just as valid, but you refuse to acknowledge it.
Journey
Banned
If you look at the rock on the left, which what's in question and started all of this, take a look at the texture line running from the top edge to bottom edge, it's entirely missing, not just blurred, also the texture patterns are different.
Blurred is one thing, the the texture mapping is entirely different, this would not be a result from DoF.
Okami Haundo
Member
We still get the better textures in the 1080p 60FPS mode? Holy hell... Time to re-play Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Colbert
Banned
The funny thing about all this discussions above is that we still discuss code/results that are older builds and may not comparable to the released version. So we will have the same kind of discussion after release again.
Even said that I am happy with what I see in the comparisons. Can't wait to finally play it on the Xbox One X and my LG OLED.
Even said that I am happy with what I see in the comparisons. Can't wait to finally play it on the Xbox One X and my LG OLED.
Dat Xbox One X power
Don't answer with a question, the point is the textures on the rock are different altogether, so it's not just a DoF difference, there's also a texture difference going on.
X1X has better texture filtering
We know that Xbox One X has better textures that's a fact & it's not even up for debate I'm not even sure why y'all keep trying to act like I said something about the textures not being better, I simply pointed out that the PS4 Pro shot was blurred on purpose by the DoF effect to bring Lara out more.
Look at this shot you can clearly see that Lara stands out more on PS4 Pro
thelastword
Banned
The poster I quoted made one statement...What are you on about? Did you see what I quoted?
Of course DOF is doing what it's set out to do, but the problem is people using these shots and comparing the blurred foreground textures by DOF against the XBONEX and making statements like "it's a world away"...I think that's the real issue.....I have a question: What is the most important subject in this shot?
You can't tell on Xbox One X right now because of the lack of DoF (at the moment) but in the PS4 Pro shot Lara stands out more & that's done purposely
Fine, I want to see those differences when the XBONEX version has DOF. Won't it be fair and 1:1 then? I don't think these comparisons should be had till that is done and we have final code.....The framerate information is welcome though, so that's the only thing new here tbh. The rest we will do when we have final code.Don't answer with a question, the point is the textures on the rock are different altogether, so it's not just a DoF difference, there's also a texture difference going on.
X1X has better texture filtering
We know that Xbox One X has better textures that's a fact & it's not even up for debate I'm not even sure why y'all keep trying to act like I said something about the textures not being better, I simply pointed out that the PS4 Pro shot was blurred on purpose by the DoF effect to bring Lara out more.
Look at this shot you can clearly see that Lara stands out more on PS4 Pro
Maybe a little but the entire picture looks much better then Pro
BrotherSeth
Neo Member
So you are fine with sticking with the element which is most likely to change in the final code (the framerate), but won't do it with the texture work, which is more likely to stay the same?
That doesn't seem logical or consistent.
No one has argued about Xbox One X not looking better over all I was pointing out that the objects in that shot was blurred on purpose,
Showing the close up of the rock & saying wow they are a world apart is just as silly as zooming in on the chandelier & saying OMG look at the difference
Liliana Eileen
Member
I know you don't post often (22 posts) but the guy you're quoting is the biggest and most blatant Sony fanboy we have here on NeoGAF (and that's saying something). Don't waste your time trying to find consistency or logic in his posts, and be careful about being baited. He only posts to downplay anything Xbox related and has been called out and had his posts dismantled/torn apart dozens upon dozens of times with no change to his posting behavior.
It should've ended after the bolded. I'm confused as to what people are arguing about with the dof Lol
Colbert
Banned
#TombRaiderDoFgate
I doubt if it will be missing when the update is released for now we can only guess that it will look like this & hopefully no one will grab the before & after shots & clam that it's a downgrade because the rock is blurry in the final game.
cyen
Member
Xbox one X is a beast! am i right?
Anyway, powerfull machine, better graphics, to be expected to have diferences.
I doubt if it will be missing when the update is released for now we can only guess that it will look like this & hopefully no one will grab the before & after shots & clam that it's a downgrade because the rock is blurry in the final game.
Do you honestly think we don't know what DoF does to items in the foreground? This is one of the stupidest things I've read today, congratulations.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
always an entertainment seeing fights for the second place/best version
Well it all started with someone posting a picture that's clearly blurred by DoF & saying Brutal.
It is brutal with or without DoF
Yes or no, lower resolution textures are blurrier than higher resolution textures.
Journey
Banned
Ok, but just as bad is trying to say that the difference is ONLY DoF, so there's 2 sides to that coin.
dr_rus
Member
Yes. Also a shader based stretch of 320x240 render target to 4K also renders the same amount of pixels as native 4K. Must be similar then.
Yes & at what point has that been disputed?
the fact is the objects in that image was blurred purposely on PS4 Pro so comparing the shot without context wasn't the way to go & I pointed it out.
Read every post & show me any post that I made saying that it's only DoF.
Journey
Banned
The guy also just said "Brutal", show me where he said it wasn't DoF?
My point is you don't know if people are commenting on the texture resolution difference alone or not. You keep talking to us as if we have no idea what DoF does to a scene. You know it's entirely possible to see the texture improvements even when considering the effects of DoF, right?
I'm not having a argument with him about if he said it wasn't DoF , I simply pointed out that the objects was blurred on purpose by the DoF effect.
I keep talking to you? lol more like you keep letting yourself into the conversation to argue a point that I never even opposed.
I didn't realize I needed your permission to enter the conversation. If the "brutal" comment was referring to the difference in texture quality alone, taking into account the effects of DoF, your comments are pointless.
I didn't say you needed permission from me but don't act like I'm arguing with you when it's you that's talking to me as if I said something that I didn't say in the 1st place.