they need to get better at their language because its gross and it makes shitty liberals think they have cover to immediately dismiss them and anyone aligned with them politically
I admire your willingness to believe this isn't just who they are as people, just like a large proportion of their fanbase.
I get the idea behind what's being said, but I think that article was put together by someone with no regard for the actual content of those quotes. (not that they were of any sort of substance of course)
And for the record I have family members on various levels of the spectrum, since apparently people are questioning that now?
they need to get better at their language because its gross and it makes shitty liberals think they have cover to immediately dismiss them and anyone aligned with them politically
You and I are basically in the same boat, and I also just can't stand listening to these guys and don't like the effect I perceive them havingI have no delusions about what they are. It is just me expressing my sadness that the only semi-popular voice for a 18-25 audience that promotes capitalism critique is such a deeply flawed (to the point of uselessness) one. I'm especially sad that they almost completely displace racism as just another form of capitalistic exploitation when it is clear that those problems are to a certain extent disjunct.
Like, Hillary has her problems, but when Chapo does an entire segment/group rant going after her, the result can sound pretty indistinguishable from the_donald or wherever.
eh, those jokes are shitty even if they weren't intended that way
i had never seen any of this because i didn't follow any of them on twitter before the end of last year and had never heard jokes like this on the show, but it's maki g me reconsider my patreon pledge
If you haven't heard/seen this you haven't been listening or looking, it is super blatant.NGL posts like this make me start to reconsider my monthly pledge.
Ignore the writer's opinion then and just look at the quotes, are you really comfortable with autism being used as a slur and a punchline? Because that is the point, that the Chapo guys are really, really, really comfortable using marginalised groups as such rhetorical devices.I get the idea behind what's being said, but I think that article was put together by someone with no regard for the actual content of those quotes. (not that they were of any sort of substance of course)
And for the record I have family members on various levels of the spectrum, since apparently people are questioning that now?
maybe if you willfully ignore or cant comprehend the substance of their criticism of her place in the neoliberal imperialist machine
you should check out the citations needed podcast (@citationspod)
I generally agree with this. I started listening to PSA first (as 1600 before the election). I like how Chapo generally feels more unshackled and goes a lot harder on certain issues, and doesn't have the smug ads or sometimes dry guest interviews. I appreciate Chapo's leftist, DSA-focused perspective as well as the comedy, but there are some areas where they still need to grow up a bit.
you should check out the citations needed podcast (@citationspod)
If you haven't heard/seen this you haven't been listening or looking, it is super blatant.
Like when they go on a jag indulging in conspiracy theories about her health? Is that about her place in the neoliberal imperialist machine?
she just made 20 million dollars cashing in on a disastrous historical inflection point with a book full of blame games
she doesnt need you defending her character or health from being besmirched by a bunch of angry podcasters. they fuckin voted for her.
she just made 20 million dollars cashing in on a disastrous historical inflection point with a book full of blame games
she doesnt need you defending her character or health from being besmirched by a bunch of angry podcasters. they fuckin voted for her.
Well, this post speaks for itself.
What the fuck?
she just made 20 million dollars cashing in on a disastrous historical inflection point with a book full of blame games
she doesn't need you defending her character or health from being besmirched by a bunch of angry podcasters. they fuckin voted for her.
maybe if you willfully ignore or cant comprehend the substance of their criticism of her place in the neoliberal imperialist machine
Well, this post speaks for itself.
What the fuck?
At what point do Chapos own finances become game for criticism?
Because an "alt-right aesthetic" is a arbitrary concept that is completely subjective?
Because an "alt-right aesthetic" is a arbitrary concept that is completely subjective?
Forum/chan/reddit culture really did a number on an entire generation of dudes.
Forum/chan/reddit culture really did a number on an entire generation of dudes.
They think it's funny to call people autistic. It's a mainstay of Chan humor.
You're being a little obtuse about this, at best.
and on the listener side: it's frustrating to see so much bad-faith criticism of something you like, but it's important to resist the temptation to get overly defensive and instead point out when they do things like the Cosby tweet or the autism jokes that really are problematic. doesn't do anyone any good to put a podcast up on a pedestal
It's definitely my least favorite part of the shows, but I don't think them indulging in bullshit low brow rhetoric is quite the same as the right wing propaganda. They peddle some dumb stuff with insincere tones presuming the audience understands what's going on, unlike the right wing that literally tries to pass off complete fabrications as truths by deceiving and lying to their audience. It's very different.
ok this is pretty funnyYou're arguing with a guy who chose "Hitlersaurus Christ" as a username.
It's definitely my least favorite part of the shows, but I don't think them indulging in bullshit low brow rhetoric is quite the same as the right wing propaganda. They peddle some dumb stuff with insincere tones presuming the audience understands what's going on, unlike the right wing that literally tries to pass off complete fabrications as truths by deceiving and lying to their audience. It's very different.
"If you were a real fan you'd know they didn't really mean it and they're actually good guys."
At some point, through layers of whatever presumed irony or justification based on intent you grant them, its effectively the same.
Also - THEY HAVE A GREAT MESSAGE. This doesn't help promote their ideals to a broader group, when effectively their message and platform is clearly not a safe space for marginalized groups. I'm not involved with the DSA, but I can't imagine that they're happy with this (one of the dudes is an LA chair or something?). Fuck that.
"If you were a real fan you'd know they didn't really mean it and they're actually good guys."
but they don't mean it?
unless you genuinely believe felix wants to free jared fogle?
How is this different from the defense of Milo from the right?
How is this different from the defense of Milo from the right?
Pigeon is saying that as criticism, unfortunately demonstrating the exact point he was trying to make himself!
because milo is actually a fucking shitbag monster who wrote about black crime for his horrifically racist magazine for years and steadily made it vogue to be alt-right for a bunch of chuds
get a grip dude
They think it's funny to call people autistic. It's a mainstay of Chan humor.
You're being a little obtuse about this, at best.
I agree with him.
I'm not equating Milo and Chapo - but the defense is effectively the same. "He's trolling, his hateful language isn't real, he doesn't mean it, triggered much?", etc. etc.
but they don't mean it?
unless you genuinely believe felix wants to free jared fogle?
Do you genuinely believe those twitter trolls want to stuff Ben Shapiro in a gas chamber?
Does that make it fine?
if you go onto the chapo reddit (biggest community for the pod) and look at the current myriad of discussion and callout posts, nobody is saying "triggered much?", mostly just talking about bad the joke is
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/75zkvt/psa_people_telling_you_that_you_have_to_be/
its definitely not real but its agreed its not good either there
Like, Hillary has her problems, but when Chapo does an entire segment/group rant going after her, the result can sound pretty indistinguishable from the_donald or wherever.
I don't know how I've missed that the whole point of this podcast is shitty autism jokes and explaining that white male privilege isn't actually a thing.
Holy shit. All that flew right over my head.
Forum/chan/reddit culture really did a number on an entire generation of dudes.
wait when did they ever say they wanted to shove him into a gas chamber?
and no i guess it isn't?
which is funny because all they do is just make short jokes about him
Pretty bad thread tbh
This is disingenuous. If you literally cannot tell the difference between right wing and left wing criticism of the same person then I honestly hope you can't vote.
Politics is about more important shit than civility toward wealthy political failures. If your political worldview is based entirely on politeness then it is worse than useless. If you cannot distinguish anti-imperialist criticism of foreign policy from literal fascism then you might just not actually believe in anything.
There is a lot of bad-faith shitposting in this thread but there is also some genuine concern. I think those concerns are misplaced but liberals really honestly do believe that any reference to oppression or discrimination must be entirely gravely serious or else it is basically /pol/. Even explicitly sarcastic rephrasings of their opponents' political beliefs are taken as shitty white dudebro brodude brocislist white male bro privilege.
Personally as a poc I have never, ever felt uncomfortable or hurt listening to the show. But I don't really subscribe to the "don't look into the abyss" school of online political discourse.
This post is the exact opposite side of that coin though.