Thanks, you're a big help with this. I'll probably use my One X as bluray player because of the 4K bluray player, so might as well use everything on Full/High when gaming.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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It's really just the stupid Xbox gamma curve also makes its way to UHD playback, so the colors are wrong. I've had a few movies freeze on it too, but I don't know if that was just an issue with mine.
I knew I was gonna be serious about UHD discs, so I bought the Oppo 203 and you could tell a difference in playback. It's just expensive brand new.
The most recent complaint was about Baby Driver.
Me. 49XE9005, and I'm loving it. For gaming on 1070, I started more and more using 3440x1440 [1:1, no stretching], which ends up being an equivalent of 40" ultrawide.
Yea my B7 in the US has a yellow port and I think the TV came with an adapter to turn that into composite. Looking at pics of the B6, it should be there as well
RedlineRonin
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Wow. Where is that at?
molnizzle
Member
Nebraska Furniture Mart
Clearance room in the back. Looks like they started at about $9,000 and have been lowering it 1-2 times a week for about 3 weeks. Scooping it up now before someone else does this weekend.
Damn Im hyped!
molnizzle
Member
Yeah. The extended warranty was $1,000 for TVs in this price range... but worth it for 5 years, I think. Free G11 if it breaks in 2021. 😉
RedlineRonin
Member
Yeah, I obviously don't know how it works for that store, but generally speaking they will replace up to value you paid, so it's not like they're gonna hand you a $15K TV if yours breaks (in most cases), but as prices drop for larger sizes, by 2021, maybe a 77" would only be 6K anyway!
The Hamburglar
Banned
With the Xbox one x supporting vrr I expect ps5 will to. Cant see why tv manufactures couldnt offer the tech regardless of what Nvidia or amd do.
molnizzle
Member
Theyre like $10K now so they almost certainly will be. 👍
Id be fine with money though too. $5500 would still buy a hell of a TV in 5 years anyway.
RedlineRonin
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Well they're 10K now for clearance models (and yours is almost certainly being sold at a significant loss) but new in box 77" OLEDs are ~15K right now for current models.
But yes, still a tremendous deal and $5500 would still buy a hell of a TV in 5 years.
Wolf Akela
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Dam son, I thought I was being silly when I bought a 3 year warranty for 300USD.
By full coverage does that also cover accidental damage? Like if you drop it, or pets shove it. What about stuff like quakes?
By full coverage does that also cover accidental damage? Like if you drop it, or pets shove it. What about stuff like quakes?
Yeah, the Xbox's bad gamma curve is immediately obvious with UHDs. I think as I get more I'll have to bite the bullet and get a dedicated player.
We'll see. I wonder. NVIDIA isn't feeling much competitive pressure from AMD lately. Even though the RX 480/580/Vega have had high demand, seems like AMD has struggled to actually deliver chips to market. I hope NVIDIA falls in line but I'm not opposed to switching to AMD for open standard variable refresh rates either. GSYNC monitors are currently overpriced and under-spec'ced. None of them would compare to a 2018 LG or Sony OLED with VRR, or even a 2018 Samsung LCD with VRR, not for gaming.
molnizzle
Member
Earthquakes yeah, pets no (I dont believe). Really just want the peace of mind in case it breaks over the next 5 years. Its gonna be mounted on the wall in the media room of my new house, so Im not terribly worried about damaging it myself.
Man, you guys dont know the arguements Ive had with my wife over this for the past few months. I wanted to stick with 65 OLED in the medi room, she wanted at least a 75 LCD. Thought the 77 OLED was out of reach. Best compromise ever. 😎
Gorocketcat
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Wolf Akela
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Ha, lucky. I had the same argument too. I was happy to go buy a second hand 55" 1080p screen. She wanted to kick it up a notch even though she's not someone who can discern between different specs (res, panel type, etc). Not complaining.
You have to be out of your mind to spend $1k on an extended warranty.
Firstly, the TV comes with a 1 year warranty. And SquareTrade will give you an extra 3 years...
...for $90.
4 Years Total Protection for your TV purchased at any other authorized US retailer
The first year of warranty is covered by the manufacturer. The 2nd through the 4th years are covered by SquareTrade.
4 years for $90 or 5 years for $1k. Let me think...
https://www.costco.com/.product.11680336.html
Take that warranty back and save yourself some money.
molnizzle
Member
It would actually be about $320 for this particular TV. And I don't think that would even count since I didn't buy the TV on Amazon. SquareTrade's website only has TV warranties up to $3000, and for 4 years.
But even then, I haven't heard great things about SquareTrade. Then there's the fact that this is a display model of a G6, meaning it's likely been running 24/7 on the floor for over a year now. I pretty much expect for something to go wrong with it at some point. I dunno if I want to be beholden to SquareSpace when that happens. Not for this kind of TV. Unless you've heard differently from me? All I've read are SquareTrade horror stories for high dollar items.
Also would SquareTrade even cover this since it's an open box floor model? That's not a battle I want to have to worry about in 3+ years...
Is that costco listing right? I have 90 days to buy that warranty even if I didn't buy from Costco?
You tend to read horror stories because people tend not to say much when everything works out. When things go wrong? All hell breaks loose...
If you're just "expecting" it to go wrong, then what's the point? Best case you just get all your money back for the TV. Is it worth it? (Answer: maybe?).
I have the C7 65", and it's a beautiful TV - cost me $2k, delivered, and then $90 for the warranty. That price is repeatable pretty easily, so you need to decide whether it's worth it to you for the bigger 77" and the much bigger price tag. I wouldn't blame you if you think it is. To put it into perspective, - you could have 3-4 2017 65" OLEDs (which - by the way - is a much better TV than the 2016, despite the amateur rtings reviews to the contrary - there's a plethora of benefits in picture and gaming lag). So 3-4 brand new 2017 65" OLEDs or 1x 77" OLED from last year - almost two years old at this point. Again, you may decide it's still worth it. I wouldn't blame you if you did.
On the 2017 OLED you can go into the General settings, about the TV, and see how many hours are on it. Not sure if that's true for the 2016.
However, for that kind of money I'd take a projector and screen if your room supports it. The OLED is only big enough (for me) as a bedroom TV.
That is correct. I always get my warranties from Costco (quite frankly it's the only place to buy warranties if you want to save $). I got one for my C7 OLED 65" that I bought from Beach Camera.
molnizzle
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You tend to read horror stories because people tend not to say much when everything works out. When things go wrong? All hell breaks loose...
If you're just "expecting" it to go wrong, then what's the point? Best case you just get all your money back for the TV. Is it worth it? (Answer: maybe?).
I have the C7 65", and it's a beautiful TV - cost me $2k, delivered, and then $90 for the warranty. That price is repeatable pretty easily, so you need to decide whether it's worth it to you for the bigger 77" and the much bigger price tag. I wouldn't blame you if you think it is. To put it into perspective, - you could have 3-4 2017 OLEDs (which - by the way - is a much better TV than the 2016, despite the amateur rtings reviews to the contrary - there's a plethora of benefits). So 3-4 2017 65" OLEDs or 1x 77" OLED. Again, you may decide it's still worth it. I wouldn't blame you if you did.
However, for that kind of money I'd take a projector and screen if your room supports it. The OLED is only big enough (for me) as a bedroom TV.
New media room doesn't support a projector. I would've been happy with a 65" OLED but my wife was devastated by the small size. For the past 5 years we've had a 1080p projector throwing to a 106" screen. The new media room is smaller, not enough room for a projector like that. She was really upset. This deal is perfect for everyone. The whole point is to have a large OLED screen, not just an OLED screen.
That Costco warranty seems sketchy, honestly. It seems to imply that the TV should be purchased at Cosco. Probably because they don't sell TV's in the $5000+ range? Not sure. The Amazon SquareTrade warranties don't cap out at "over $1,000." The SuareTrade website doesn't either, with $1000-1499, $1499-1999, $2000+ etc. Also since this is a floor model I'm not sure how that warranty would even apply?
I dunno... worries me to have to be asking those questions and wondering if I'll be covered. I kinda like the security of having Nebraska Furniture Mart (who isn't going anywhere in 5 years) handle it. Especially since it covers pretty much anything, even a single dead pixel.
I hear you. The warranty isn't sketchy. And it does not imply you need to buy the TV at Costco. Any TV over $1k, that's the price. That's the product description and it's never been an issue. As to buying elsewhere, it even says as much:
When Does Coverage Start
5 Years Total Protection for your TV purchased at a Costco warehouse or from Costco.com
The first 2 years of warranty are covered by Costco or the manufacturer. The 3rd through the 5th years are covered by SquareTrade.
4 Years Total Protection for your TV purchased at any other authorized US retailer
The first year of warranty is covered by the manufacturer. The 2nd through the 4th years are covered by SquareTrade.
Does your receipt say Open Box or display model? You just upload the receipt to SquareTrade and that's it. They can't argue with it if it just says the name/model of the TV.
molnizzle
Member
Don't see any risk, personally. As long as you have a receipt with a purchase date, and it just says the name of the TV, the model number of the TV, and the price you paid, this is a done deal if you ask me.
Feel free to send me a ~20% cut of the savings.
molnizzle
Member
Don't see any risk, personally. As long as you have a receipt with a purchase date, and it just says the name of the TV, the model number of the TV, and the price you paid, this is a done deal if you ask me.
Feel free to send me a ~20% cut of the savings.
Just wondering if it's an issue that the receipt says "*FINAL SALE* CLEARANCE" and "**FLOOR SAMPLE SALE**" in the info box.
TV does still come with the full 1-year manufacturer's warranty though...
Could always just chat with SquareTrade about that.
Dammit, it's been 5 months since I got my Vizio E60-E3. The damn TV has died TWICE already. Gotten replacements but dreading what's going to happen in 2 years.
molnizzle
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holygeesus
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RGB Range should be set to limited, presuming you haven't changed the black level settings on the TV. Auto crushes blacks on mine. The setting is bugged on the Pro.
Gorocketcat
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I tried using HDR with Agents of Mayhem. My TV switches to it, but it looks super washed out.
I hate HDR with PC. It's a headache.
I hate HDR with PC. It's a headache.
Stiler
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Microsoft really messed up how they handle HDR. HDR on = washed out colors because the desktop/webpages would be too bright, so they thought it was smart to simply turn HDR on ALL THE TIME and because it's simply "on" they had to make the colors washed out so you didn't blow your eyes out staring at a super-bright desktop or webpage.
Why they went this way? No one knows, it was a stupid stupid choice, they should simply have left HDR = off and then automatically turn it on whenever an HDR signal is passed by watching an HDR video or playing an HDR video game, like oh virtually every single tv does.
Supposed to be fixed in the "fall" update for windows 10 whenever it comes out.
I tried HDR on my pc w/ Andromeda and never could get the bloody thing to work so I just gave up on HDR on pc for the time being, such a disaster.
Congrats! Its a great TV.
Fair warning: its one of the sleekest designs when using the stand but one of the worst models for wall mounting in my opinion. The locks are often broken out of the box, the hinge can be finicky, the hardware it comes with is kind of cheap, and the propriety mount for it isnt good. However, I just did a 77 this past week for a custom cabinetry job that required a full motion mount and was able to make it work with some slight fabrication.
Generic Power Ranger
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I just got a pro. Why should you use limited on the pro ?
Fredrik
Member
I haven't got to try games at 4K yet, waiting on Xbox One X for that, but simply going by movies, TV shows and youtube videos at 4K I'd say that HDR is a much much bigger deal than 4K resolution. The 4K videos for Sony and LG TVs on youtube are insanely cool since they're made for that purpose, to get you wowed by 4K, but whenever I see a movie or TV show at 4K I don't think the resolution is the big deal anymore, it's the HDR when displaying really bright scenes where you basically want to wear sun glasses, it's just insane how bright these TVs can get without losing picture information, I love it!
KharmaPolice
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The Auto setting for RGB range is quite unreliable and could result in crushed blacks. Setting the pro to Limited and the TV to Low black levels will give you a correct picture all the time regardless of content.
For SDR gaming you can use either Limited or Full as long as you correctly pair it with your TV.
For BluRays the PS4 forces Limited RGB.
For HDR content the Pro uses YUV to output video which corresponds with Limited.
Setting everything to Limited RGB on the Pro and your TV is thus the most foolproof way to give you a correct picture all the time.
The HDMI EDID handshake is unreliable between manufacturers and can result in mismatched video levels. If you have a Samsung, you will get mismatched video levels with all auto. I am not sure about LG and Panasonic. I use the Pro with my Sony Bravia all auto and the handshake is perfect.
The optimal settings would be:
SDR: 8-bit RGB 444
HDR: 10-bit YUV 420 (HDR-10 standard)
I have also seen some games put out:
HDR: 12-bit YUV 422, although no sets are native 12 bit.
HDR is neither full nor limited, but yes, setting to limited in this case is accurate. Some Sets have this function greyed out during HDR as it should be.
The optimal settings would be:
SDR: 8-bit RGB 444
HDR: 10-bit YUV 420 (HDR-10 standard)
I have also seen some games put out:
HDR: 12-bit YUV 422, although no sets are native 12 bit.
HDR is neither full nor limited, but yes, setting to limited in this case is accurate. Some Sets have this function greyed out during HDR as it should be.
With a 2016 OLED floor model, there is a pretty high risk of it coming with burn-in. I would double-check that burn-in is covered by your extended warranty, because it is not covered by the manufacturer's warranty.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
Week 6 update is here. Yikes at the retention on the B6.
Week 6 update is here. Yikes at the retention on the B6.
99% of the games I currently play on my Pro are HDR enabled, with the exception being Destiny 2, and the HDR patch for it is probably going to drop with the PC release in a few weeks. I don't use it for BluRays either, as I have a standalone player. I'll try changing to Limited this evening to see if it makes a difference.
Ew. I got the extended warranty on mine, which they said covered burn in. Would be a shame if burn in occurred around 2019 and I had to get a new OLED. Would be such a shame. Unbelievable shame.