MilkyJoe
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Saddly that can be applied to most of the early reviews.
Man what a baby, that dude is.
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Gran Turismo Sport - Review Thread
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Man what a baby, that dude is.
It was an open beta.
ethomaz
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These early comments
Came back next week I think you will be surprise with the score.
I can understand the switch to Sport and less cars. No problem at all.
You would expect that they would focus on tracks because of it.
Then they come up with 15 tracks after a production cycle of 4 years. WTF.
Instead of putting time and effort in those scapes they should have made more tracks.
You would expect that they would focus on tracks because of it.
Then they come up with 15 tracks after a production cycle of 4 years. WTF.
Instead of putting time and effort in those scapes they should have made more tracks.
GenericUser
Member
The track selection definitely implies DLC tracks. Pretty anti-consumer, but hey, that's the norm now.
Chobel
Member
These early comments
Came back next week I think you will be surprise with the score.
You know that most likely the score will go lower, right? WIP reviews aren't exactly raving about the game.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Never buying a GT with a dull campaign and lack of sport mode again, that's for sure.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Overall score seems about what I would give it . Excellent sim racer here but with the single player fiasco, the weather situation , and the car low car count I can see why people are upset . I can see why people are scoring low but gameplay wise this is the best sim racer this gen for me
ethomaz
Banned
It will probably go up
Meta didnt add the 8 and 9 and there are a lot of reviews to come yet.
Lets see how it will turn.
Not for all full price racing games.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
IGN's Review in Progress sounds more positive than what Gamespot are saying. Seems like the reviewer gets what they are going for, comparing to iRacing and how the Campaign is different but it isn't a bad thing and has hooked him.
John Wick
Member
Why is it so embarrassing??? It took certain other series 6-7 iterations before weather became availbale. They are gonna support GT Sport with plenty of features and content.
(I'm not saying it's embarrassing but, the game took years to make and the last two entries had the feature at launch. It actually becomes more embarrassing when you start comparing to certain other seriesl, which used to get criticized for not having it, and now the roles are reversed despite that series putting out 2 games within the same timespan. Yes there will be more features and content later. But when is it coming? Is it going to be free? Paid? We don't know. We can only judge what's here at this point in time.
John Wick
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It was called GT Sport Beta version. It was called the demo in the ps blog, but has been referred to as the beta by PD each time and the title on the PS Home screen also says Beta., I'm not confusing anything. It was in fact, a beta, not a demo. I am talking about the thing that just happened just over a week ago.
And no, not everyone should be expected to have tried out something that was only available for a few days, a week before a game releases. Same goes for open betas for any other game. News doesn't reach everyone in time, and not everyone is readily available to play a beta which was not available on a weekend.
So do you think the majority of casuals who buy FIFA and COD read reviews and extensively research the games before they buy them???? Because you'll be in for a shock. Most of my casual gamer friends had FIFA pre-ordered. That's 30+ copies of a game that non of them read a review on. Some tried the demo.
It's the hardcore gamers who read reviews and visit sites like gaf to research games etc.
Nice anecdote. Here's mine. Most of my casual gamer friends read or watch reviews and check metacritic ratings for games before deciding on buying a game or not.
The fact that you think that everyone interested at this point in the game should've tried out an open beta for the game that was limited should've tipped me off on the logic you're using (as in not very good) and I should've stopped replying a while ago rather than wasting my time. But alas, I fell for it. Either it's an elaborate troll, or you live in a fantasy world where everyone plays their PS4 and visits the store every day, has time throughout the week to play, and keeps up with GT news all the time.
John Wick
Member
Maybe your new to this I don't know but that's just how PD work. They fucking take ages. They've had to restart the whole game from scratch so it's obviously took them alot longer. They aren't a huge studio. Turn 10 I think have 300 and PD 200 employees. Also I don't think they outsource anything either. On top of that Forza has 2 studio's collaborating and sharing tech and tools etc. I'm sure PD will make an announcement soon on their plans. The game only just launched so have a little patience.
I doubt it.It will probably go up
Meta didnt add the 8 and 9 and there are a lot of reviews to come yet.
Lets see how it will turn.
The idea that the average potential Gran Turismo buyer not only is aware of the beta taking place, but that they are also prepared for a near 50gb download and that they have the time for it during the weekdays, is just fucking ridiculous.
John Wick
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Your sound like one of those people who's always busier than everyone else and never has any time because your too busy carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. But you have plenty of time to be on social networks like Facebook and visit GAf every day.
If you have no interest in the game stop complaining. Your not entitled to have anything. PD never stated GT Sport was gonna be like the previous GT's. They had an event where they announced the direction the game was taking. It would be online focused with reduced car count etc. They have stated the model they will use is one where they will release one entry and then support that entry with continued features and content. Take it or leave it. Simples. If it's embarrassing for you or the competition have a better product go buy that and rave on over there.
There was a demo released for people to try the game. More than a million did.
John Wick
Member
The casual gamers will buy the game because it's GT.Just like they buy FIFA and COD every year. Why do you think the sales are so front loaded? Do you think they wait for reviews and downloading demos?
That's just how PD works is one of the biggest BS excuses I've seen for GT games. That is not a legitimate excuse, that is a failing on their part. The fact that this phrase even exists is embarrassing.
They are an inefficient studio that take much longer to make games and spend way too much time on aspects that more often than not do not work out in the long run (see: "future proofed" models in gt5 & gt6)
NullPointer
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Tomeru
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Rellik
Member
Too high. Deserves lower.
Chill. It's early days. The game was never going to get glowing reviews out of the gate because of the relatively small amount of content and heavy focus on multiplayer. One of my favourite games of the gen, Rainbow Six Siege, had a very similar start to life.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Are we sure if translator Kaz got it right with the percentage?
I'm perfectly chill. Just posted the scores.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Based on 4 reviews man, the "ouch" is to make GT enthusiasts feel pain or something?
John Wick
Member
I know total bullshit huh dude???? Yet their games outsell the competition. Even their worst entry wipes the floor with the others. I wish I had a studio with such a failure. Kaz is such an embarrassment right?
Without this studio maybe racing games might not be what they are today? I'm glad they try things that aren't the norm. Maybe you should stick to another more timely franchise?
OpenCritic, which I also quoted, has 12 reviews with same score.
I have no idea why or how people would feel pain about a review score.
Serious Sam
Member
These early comments
Came back next week I think you will be surprise with the score.
My comment wasn't about GTS score particularly, but about consistent decline in scores for all GT games. What will happen next week, score will change by a few points? Doesn't matter much. I played the demo and it left bad taste in my mouth. I still can't believe you need to be online to save/load the game, and the whole online/multiplayer focus is a big turn off for me.
Did I say anywhere that I didn't have time? I played the beta.
I wouldn't be here if I wasn't interested in the game.
Well actually, no. While I knew the direction this game was taking, they have actually tried to compare this to past entries over the last couple of months and stating stuff like "nothing has been cut" "features have only been added" and "85% of the game experience is oifline"
It's embarrassing that a game franchise I care so much for can get mishandled so much, I don't care about the competition, you're the one that brought it into the argument in the first place.
And... plenty of people didn't get the chance to either because they found out too late or didn't have the time when the beta was running due to it being on weekdays.
And I'll channel you for a bit: How about you stop complaining in a review thread about people reading reviews to make a decision about the game because it's a ridiculous thing to complain about in the first place, and stop acting like the beta was known to everyone and everyone had time to play it on the weekdays it was active, not to mention had the bandwidth to spare to download a 43 gig file.
Mr. PlayStation
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I would argue that reviews and especially the metacritic have further reach amongst casual buyers than demos do, simply because they're much more readily accessible. It takes seconds to check metacritic to see how a game is fairing, and can even be done at work or on the train. It's not at all comparable to downloading a 43gb demo, which will only be available to play for a few days. There are many people with slow connections and bandwidth caps that purchase games physically because the download sizes aren't feasible for them, even with all the time in the world.
A 4 day beta is not "plenty of time" for anyone interested in a game to try it out and make an informed purchasing decision. Especially not with it suffering numerous server-related issues, and being set during the working week.
If you think reviews have so little worth, then maybe its you who's in the wrong thread right now.
John Wick
Member
GT 5 and 6 were well supported. I see no reason to believe different this time.
TheAdmiester
Member
GT5's online didn't even last four years.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
May be not the best thread to ask about weather, but is there actual rainy conditions in the full game? One of the videos posted by GT Planet showed wet conditions but not actual rainy conditions to drive!
Yeah this is what's giving me pause. Free content updates/DLC is a huge marketing opportunity but statements have seemed non-committal and somewhat vague. A content "road map" being out in the open pre release would have been great.
I had a lot of fun with the demo and loved the sport mode rhythm but would really like to see more tracks. I'm sure I'll get the game at some point but I'm not in a hurry. Knowing what was going to be available in the next few months, paid or free, would have swayed my decision to purchase.
Explains what? I played the beta, got gold on all the non-rally events, the SP content was exactly as anticipated except for the endurance race at the end, and the online races didn't hook me.
I had decided to buy this game at a later date when the MSRP drops to below or equal to what they charged for GT5 Prologue because that's basically what it's worth to me, but unfortunately with the news of offline progress requiring an online connection, this game now falls into my "not buying till changed" category.
I have strict principles in regards to online connections being required in games for aspects that don't justify it, and this game ends up falling into that. I've had to skip 3 games so far that I was interested in due to this, but this one will be the hardest since I've been waiting for a GT game for 6 years now and have been a fan of the franchise since the first one released.
GenericUser
Member
Good comparison. I strongly believe that the (presumably) sublime online part of the game will give this game really , really strong legs.
It's up to polyphony to properly support the game now. Bugs and glitches need to be addressed rapidly while they also have to keep up a steady flow of content (events, tournaments, cars, tracks and so on).
John Wick
Member
I didn't bring up the competition you did. Maybe you should go back and re-read what you typed.
They have stated the game will have less cars. They have also stated they will add cars and tracks. Kaz himself stated the final car count will be 400-500.
I feel like the article would have had a major update if the translation was that far off.
This explains a lot, you seem to write and forget what you wrote right after.
This is the post that first mentions a "certain series", I only start referring to it in reply and after this post. So yes, you are the one who brought it up first.
Okay and... does that stop the game from getting criticized for having a low car count when there is competition and previous games to compare to? No it doesn't.
That's nice, and how long is this going to take, when is the first pack going to release? Is it going to be free? Also, while I obviously believe more cars and tracks will be coming, Kaz stating something does not make it true. He stated that this game would be an 85% offline experience. Clearly not true. He also said there were no features cut from past GT games. That is also clearly not true.
Percenteage is technically right I guess. Online you only have Sport Mode and lobbies. Two modes, even if that's where you'll spend the majority of time.
It's kind of like Rocket League if you want. The core of the game is in the online modes (casual/competitive), even if offline has more options (exhibition matches, seasons, split-screen, customization, training, gallery etc.)
That said, he should have said "single player" instead of "offline", since it turns out you can't do much if you are literally offline. That much is clear. Could have been translator-san fault at the time, but it shouldn't really be used as an excuse.
Another problem is GTplanet saying traditionalists could have rested easy, because it was clear since the London presentation that Career mode wasn't traditional at all. I don't know what they were thinking.
back IT, as I said this is dumb because some stuff has literally no reason to be locked behind a connection. I'm mainly talking about Scapes and Livery editing. I hope PD gets the message and has a fix on the way.
EDIT: I though this was the online save thread. nvm
John Wick
Member
I love it when people have to end their statement with 'I'm a fan of this series from the start'. Because maybe it adds validity to their opinion or they have an entitlement of expectation.
I replied to a guy who was judging the game without ever trying the game himself. Saying the online aspect wasn't for him etc. I suggested it's better he tries the game himself as he might like it. One can try the game at a store or at a friend's because ultimately your the one who can decide if your gonna enjoy it or not. I don't know why you got involved for?
TheAdmiester
Member
So you're saying people aren't allowed to be disappointed when a franchise they liked shifts focus massively?