All those games bombed in the west. Its part of the reason they won't just release those games in the west. And the Xbox had a bigger install base then too.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NIS America - "Microsoft's not very supportive of Japanese Games"
- Thread starter Rymuth
- Start date
Primethius
Banned
No? Vesperia sold like 30k in NPD. Xillia was >100k.
Tales of Graces F did worse than Vesperia outside of Japan and Tales of Xillia 2 probably did too. From a discussion earlier this year.
Zestiria and Berseria are probably below 270k on Playstation as well, but they got a massive boost from Steam.
That would have been a really great example of a self fulfilling prophecy if there were not countless examples of fantastic Japanese games, exclusive and otherwise on both the original Xbox and the 360.
therealbigrich
Member
More dead simple reasoning turned into rockets science . Its not because MS isn't nice or they policies are terrible even if that is truly the case . They for some reason just do not want to simply say not enough Xboxs sold in Japan so its not worth it to make games for the console . That's all it is cause if 150m console were in the wild they would be making games for it no matter what the issues are .
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I mean, its not only the Japanese audiences that shun the Xbox. Outside of basically US and UK, they have little to no presence. Its just a smaller audience, and if youre making niche games it just might not be worth porting it for a small slice of an already small audience, especially if he system has literally no presence in your own region, which is the most likely region to support it.
GrantDaNasty
Member
I get what you're saying, but "countless" is a biiiit of an overstatement. Also, for OG Xbox, that was well over a decade ago, closer to 15 years even (when MS had no real analytics and likely didn't care how much they were spending to get a foothold), for 360, yea you had some exclusives like Tales of Vesperia or Lost Odyssey, for XB1, you got D4 and...then they cancelled Scalebound.
It's like you aren't taking into account last gen when the 360 sold more than twice as much as the PS3 in the US and they lots of Japanese developers still ditched the platform in the later years because the audience wasn't there.
Primethius
Banned
First of all, I'm not sure what the disagreement here is.
Second, the post you linked shows both NPD data and data outside US. I've been talking about NPD as it's basically Xbox Ones only good market.
Astral Dog
Member
Square Enix are Sony fanboys obv. dont expect FFXII X, KH, or VII on the Switch either
PsihoPerihelion
Member
But... but Phillip's trip to Japan!
Fuck releasing physical copies of games on Xbox.
Just release them digitally... Come on small Japanese devs.
Actually come on all devs...
Stop putting out physical games.
It's 2017. Embrace the present (the present is digital... Anyone telling you otherwise is stuck in the past).
Just release them digitally... Come on small Japanese devs.
Actually come on all devs...
Stop putting out physical games.
It's 2017. Embrace the present (the present is digital... Anyone telling you otherwise is stuck in the past).
SE are Sony fanboys, which is why they made several Nintendo exclusive games last gen and theyre already working on a new one, right?
The west isn't just the US and it was proclaimed that Vesperia bombed "in the west" and you backed that assertion up. Don't try to deflect.
We weren't even talking about the Xbox One.
Because of the huge amount of opinions like this in the community:
The subsection of games that most benefits from digital-only releases also seems to have the biggest amount of fans who bitch if they don't get a disc.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Congrats! You're the one millionth person to say this exact thing. You win shame.
Lord of Ostia
Member
The audience for niche Japanese games wants physical releases as well. In many cases, that is the difference between a purchase and a lost sale. Localization companies understand this, which is why even small games from Atlus and XSEED and NISA get physical releases more often than not.
Also, if you want to give up most of your rights as a consumer by buying all digital, go right on ahead, but don't expect everyone to follow in your foot steps.
Primethius
Banned
Yes. I'm deflecting from my initial reply to you where I agree that they've been on the decline since Vesperia...
thought you were talking about PS3 vesperia. my bad
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Phil only got bamco and most of they games sell more outside of Japan.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Yaay! I'll take it along with my Japanese games [hugs and kisses his Japanese PS4 games]
bbkkristian
Member
The situation just sucks with Vesperia... 
I doubt I'll ever get to play its ENG version without having to resort to buying a Xbox 360. And hearing this only makes me more salty about it.
I doubt I'll ever get to play its ENG version without having to resort to buying a Xbox 360. And hearing this only makes me more salty about it.Vesperia did better than the PS2 Tales game though. You can't keep blaming MS/Xbox.
Your statement is very cynical.
Who is to say if there is an audience or not for niche Japanese game (or AAA Japanese games) on Xbox or not digitally?
AFAIK, putting out a digital copy of your SKU is cheaper and far less risky than printing a ton of discs that won't sell.
Is there cost involved supporting another platform? Sure. But the risks are lower and the chances of increased revenue are greatly improved.
Specifically, right now on Xbox is a dearth of quality Japanese games compared to PS4.
So if you're NIS or Falcom, why not take the plunge and test the Xbox digital waters? You'd be fighting less Japanese competition, because on Xbox, there basically isn't any. It's free market share.
As to giving up rights as a consumer...tell me...
how many Steam games do you own?
Primethius
Banned
Okay. So Tales has been on a decline since Vesperia...
So which Tales game haven't bombed in the west by "normal standards"?
Astral Dog
Member
A low budget sprite game isnt huge but thats right they have a liking to Sony thats the platform that meets their demands at the moment
This is correct. Sony owns their own replicators (DADC), but Microsoft contracts with majors who have minimum orders
Blu-ray replication is not something you can do just Anywhere. It requires a clean room environment (close enough to one) with a great deal of control over particulate matter. I personally believe they would do well to invest in a single line they keep up in Redmond specifically for running off the small valuable for PR manufacturers and publishers. Last I checked, they run about $150-200,000 each not including customization required to make Xbox games, itd easily be half a million dollars after HVAC, filtration etc etc etc. thats a lot of 5000 runs with continuing overhead.
Heartskips
Banned
Because digital numbers are bad in Japan and fans of niche japanese games prefer retail. Like he said, not having a physical version created many controversies already in the past. The Xbox has a history of poor performance for japanese games too.
Anyway, it's good to own the things I pay for. Not everyone wants a digital only future.
Primethius
Banned
Okay. Do you even understand what I'm saying. Like are you just projecting stuff into my posts that I'm not saying? Have I claimed that games since Vesperia haven't bombed? Did I not clearly say that they've been in decline for a while now?
If you want to debate some imaginary figure, be my guest.
Jaguar Victory
Member
That's it. Challenging you to a shokugeki.
Okay and what about the pre-Vesperia games which sold less?
That's also fair point. Their strategy doesn't align with Japan's situation that well.
Primethius
Banned
Alright. Cool. You have no interest in actually engaging me or the substance of my posts.
Please continue to engage your imaginary opponent in this debate.
Isn't there a larger market for JRPGs Persona 5, Ni No Kuni, Nioh, etc in the west at this point than in Japan due to struggling home console sales across the board in that region?
Why would Japan having a small Xbox market matter that much? Wouldn't it just be overall disinterest in Japanese games from Xbox players in general?
Does anyone know how well games like Final Fantasy XV did on Xbox One?
Why would Japan having a small Xbox market matter that much? Wouldn't it just be overall disinterest in Japanese games from Xbox players in general?
Does anyone know how well games like Final Fantasy XV did on Xbox One?
DarknessTear
Banned
You can share physical games with friends, you get the bulk of the game without having to download. You can return to it years later, and it's your own personal property forever. Physical sounds superior to me still. It's highly uncommon but digital copies of games have become impossible to get like Alan Wake or Trails in the Sky on PSP.
funkystudent
Member
Because these are not the types of japanese games Microsoft is not looking for maybe?
Xbox 360 was home to that kinda shit though
They had a very specific audience cornered pretty much to themselves
Because these are not the types of japanese games Microsoft is not looking for maybe?
Today I learned someone is still salty about this weird niche Vita game from almost three years ago.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Look at the splits these games sell. And stop.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Japanese games tend to be focused towards Japan, they're neich outside of Japan... hell, some are neich in Japan, but if there's a limited install base in Japan, why bother?
Anyone interested in Japanese neich games in the west are going to be playing on the console where those games are already releaed.
Microsoft wasted everyone's time with that nonsense last gen and no one is going to take that risk again.
Anyone interested in Japanese neich games in the west are going to be playing on the console where those games are already releaed.
Microsoft wasted everyone's time with that nonsense last gen and no one is going to take that risk again.
Like gal gun?Because these are not the types of japanese games Microsoft is not looking for maybe?