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[spock]

Given the amount of out of body experiences people have this doesn't surprise me at all. Your consciousness can actually separate itself from your body y'all, not just chill inside your brain for a bit after you die.

Most will say you're talking nonsense, but odds are you're right. Given time this will be proven to some degree in my opinion. Right now it's conceptually absurd to those who have never experienced anything of the sort, and most metaphysical concepts, in general, are HIGHLY looked down upon by a great number of people, especially those who have this crazy rigid view of science itself.

They think even entertaining the notion of metaphysical concepts is for the "stupid", yet some our greatest mind in history explored these areas, and many could argue that some of sciences most fundamental understandings came from people influenced in varying degrees by ideas that would be considered metaphysical, etc.

Curiosity and openness, especially to that which was considered absurd at the time has been proven time and again as a major pathway to some of the most powerful and life-changing discoveries man has ever made and will continue to make (directly or indirectly).

Its much easier to say something is not true, too difficult, is stupid, etc. than it is to think deeply and ask questions into how something could possibly be true if true. This is pretty much how the impossible becomes possible in any field of study.

 

[Ernest]

Life was a mistake.

 

[Monkeyball]

Most will say you're talking non-sense, but odds are your right. Given time this will be proven to some degree in my opinion. Right now it's conceptually absurd to those who have never experienced anything of the sort, and most metaphysical concepts, in general, are HIGHLY looked down upon by a great number of people, especially those who have this crazy rigid view of science itself.

They think even entertaining the notion of metaphysical concepts is for the "stupid", yet some our greatest mind in history explored these areas, and many could argue that some of sciences most fundamental understandings came from people influenced in varying degrees by ideas that would be considered metaphysical, etc.

Curiosity and openness, especially to that which was considered absurd at the time has been proven time and again as a major pathway to some of the most powerful and life-changing discoveries man has ever made and will continue to make (directly or indirectly).

Its much easier to say something is not true, too difficult, is stupid, etc. than it is to think deeply and ask questions into how something could possibly be true if true. This is pretty much how the impossible becomes possible in any field of study.

Religion says it IS true what you're saying. But science says no. So does common sense.

 

[Ethelwulf]

Didn't you read the title to the thread and nothing else? Your consciousness just chugs along forever.

I did. Don't misinform. This study was carried out on patients who suffered cardiac arrest. Absolutely incredible. But has nothing to do with brain damage. Screw your brain and you are gone forever.

Most will say you're talking nonsense, but odds are you're right. Given time this will be proven to some degree in my opinion. Right now it's conceptually absurd to those who have never experienced anything of the sort, and most metaphysical concepts, in general, are HIGHLY looked down upon by a great number of people, especially those who have this crazy rigid view of science itself.

They think even entertaining the notion of metaphysical concepts is for the "stupid", yet some our greatest mind in history explored these areas, and many could argue that some of sciences most fundamental understandings came from people influenced in varying degrees by ideas that would be considered metaphysical, etc.

Curiosity and openness, especially to that which was considered absurd at the time has been proven time and again as a major pathway to some of the most powerful and life-changing discoveries man has ever made and will continue to make (directly or indirectly).

Its much easier to say something is not true, too difficult, is stupid, etc. than it is to think deeply and ask questions into how something could possibly be true if true. This is pretty much how the impossible becomes possible in any field of study.

All you say sounds nice, but is far away from reality. This study supports non of the notions you just described. Far from it.There is no such thing as 'rigid view of science'. Science is the most open language of all. Is ok the be wrong. My points might be wrong, but so yours. Until someone show us all facts, then I'm skeptical.

 

[ZOONAMI]

The worst thing I feel could happen is during surgery when your body is paralyzed but you're 'awake' due to a botched up anaesthesia dose. I think there was a movie on this recently.

Yeah I had an out of body experience during surgery as a kid. Not exactly what you’re taking about. It was cool. Started as the doctor talking inside these big gears after he counted me out and then I went through the gear and was in the operating room, could see myself and everyone doing the surgery for a bit. Then I went out and came too all good. Far as I know there were not any problems with the surgery. Probably just the anesthesia and just my imagination, but most of the research on OBE seems to just theorize it’s all in your head because that’s more logical than a separate consciousness being able to leave your body, but there aren’t any studies that really prove anything as it’s kind of an impossible thing to prove. They are starting from a logical conclusion before actually proving it, which isn’t a good way to do a scientific study. But yeah it’s kind of impossible to scientifically prove consciousness leaving the body as all you really have are accounts of it, unless they can see some quantum physics stuff or gavitatiinal waves or something with some crazy equipment.

 

[spock]

Religion says it IS true what you're saying. But science says no. So does common sense.

I am in no way trying to argue religion as a counterpoint. How many things in science were viewed as impossible or highly improbable in the last 200 or even 100 years? Given our lack of understanding of the universe as a whole and how little we know about consciousness itself, there's a good shot at there being a lot more to the picture than what we see and think we understand.

 

[Pagusas]

On one hand, hopefully its only a few seconds and their is no pain.


On the other hand, we all know how a few seconds can feel like hours when you are in a crazy situation like a near death experience....

 

[NotSelf]

If that's the case you guys should start practicing meditation.

 

[fierrotlepou]

We have to work on uploading consciousness or something, fast.

 

[HotHamBoy]

Even if brain activity is only like 30 seconds your brain could extend that for eternity.

Dreams and drugs have taught us about time dilation

Try to die without regret because Hell is a bad trip

 

[clarknova156]

We are literally talking about a few seconds. Clickbait bullshit, especially the thread title.

This. Massive clickbait. Maybe one the best examples of clickbait I’ve ever seen.

 

[Izuna]

Allow dying then.

Ain't about that ting.

 

[Conciliator]

I think we like to think of our consciousness as like a well-oiled machine, like an Aston Martin. Because we have our ego telling us that, right. But really, it's more like an old factory made of found spare parts. Like, it all comes together and works for the most part, but it's a little sketch. Sometimes you gotta duct tape something or just do a hard reboot, and no matter what you do the shit ain't gonna last forever.

Point being I guess is that the line between 'awareness' and non-'awareness' is maybe not entirely binary as we would tend to imagine?

 

[spock]

If that's the case you guys should start practicing meditation.

Seems you got jump on many with a username like that, but all joking aside this stuff falls in line with Tibetan dream yoga and meditation, etc. They've been talking about and exploring this stuff for thousands of years. Odds have they learned something along the way.

We have to work on uploading consciousness or something, fast.

Perhaps we already have uploaded. Elon Musk I thin statistically odds are we are in a sim given the speed of advancement.

Even if brain activity is only like 30 seconds your brain could extend that for eternity.

Dreams and drugs have taught us about time dilation

Try to die without regret because Hell is a bad trip

Food for thought and ideas worth exploring and talking about.

 

[_Rob_]

The worst thing I feel could happen is during surgery when your body is paralyzed but you're 'awake' due to a botched up anaesthesia dose. I think there was a movie on this recently.

There's also the uncertainty as to whether anaesthetic puts you into an unaware state, or simply stops your brain forming memory. Meaning that it's possible in the moment, you may be entirely aware of every step of the operation...

 

[StayDead]

Remind me to think of paradise when I die just incase time dialation keeps me in that paradise for thousands of years.

 

[Ethelwulf]

Even if brain activity is only like 30 seconds your brain could extend that for eternity.

Dreams and drugs have taught us about time dilation

Try to die without regret because Hell is a bad trip

And how would that happen if you don't have a brain? Activity needs a substrate. Without substrate you don't exist. Maybe you are religious or spiritual. Then I'm out of the discussion, but do have in mind this study proves nothing of the sort. I can sadly see this study being communicated like this:

 

[Northernlights]

Love this movie.

 

[Conciliator]

Remind me to think of paradise when I die just incase time dialation keeps me in that paradise for thousands of years.

hey, if you're dying right now, think happy thoughts.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Yeah I had an out of body experience during surgery as a kid. Not exactly what you’re taking about. It was cool. Started as the doctor talking inside these big gears after he counted me out and then I went through the gear and was in the operating room, could see myself and everyone doing the surgery for a bit. Then I went out and came too all good. Far as I know there were not any problems with the surgery. Probably just the anesthesia and just my imagination, but most of the research on OBE seems to just theorize it’s all in your head because that’s more logical than a separate consciousness being able to leave your body, but there aren’t any studies that really prove anything as it’s kind of an impossible thing to prove. They are starting from a logical conclusion before actually proving it, which isn’t a good way to do a scientific study. But yeah it’s kind of impossible to scientifically prove consciousness leaving the body as all you really have are accounts of it, unless they can see some quantum physics stuff or gavitatiinal waves or something with some crazy equipment.

🤔

 

[sephi22]

SCP-2718 gives you the full details on this.

Spoiler

Scroll to the bottom of the page and press "play" if you want to see what I mean

Came for this

 

[JettDash]

I am in no way trying to argue religion as a counterpoint. How many things in science were viewed as impossible or highly improbable in the last 200 or even 100 years? Given our lack of understanding of the universe as a whole and how little we know about consciousness itself, there's a good shot at there being a lot more to the picture than what we see and think we understand.

There is zero good reason to believe that consciences exists after brain death.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Sounds absolutely horrible.

 

[BuddyTheBestPuppy]

But for how long? Probably a few seconds or minutes.

 

[ZOONAMI]

🤔

Lol dying

 

[Icyflamez96]

I knew somebody who had a near-death experience when she was a late-teenager. Her and her friend were speeding and drove straight off the road when they missed a turn and hit a particularly menacing tree. The car was totaled and they both very nearly died.

The person I knew was the passenger. She said she wasn't even aware they were speeding. They were listening to the Riot Album by Paramore. She was really into it and singing along and the impact of the accident was extremely sudden to her. She had zero awareness it was about to happen until they actually crashed.

She described having her entire life pass before her eyes - just like the cliche - and even though it was instantaneous it was a "deep instant." She felt like that single second in time reached deeper beneath a different axis of time and she was able to fully re-experience her entire existence in the moment that flashed after the impact. Then she lost consciousness.

In the wake of the accident and during her recovery, she started to realize she now had two memories of everything that ever happened. There was the original memory from when she first experienced them and the second memory from when she experienced them again during the accident. She felt like she lived her entire life twice, in equal proportion, and had double memories of everything that happened before the crash.

So every time she remembered something from her life before her accident, she would have this sickening deja vu feeling. She described it as a 3D image improperly aligned. There's an image underneath in blue and the same image on top in red, but they don't line up right. They're askew. So the blue memory is all the normal feelings and emotions she felt when the memory originally happened, but the red memory only conjured up feelings of extreme terror. She said it was like looking at old photographs and noticing the grim reaper in every photo. And as you flip through the photo album and see yourself as a baby, and as a little kid, and graduating high school, there is a cloaked figure you never noticed before that seems to be as much the subject of the photo as you are.

But worst of all, she remembered her death.

Her double memories end abruptly at the accident. Everything after the accident she remembers normally. So, to her, this termination points feels like her death. So she remembers a timeline of her life where she was killed at 19. When she thinks about herself, there is a prevailing and nagging thought that she was killed in the accident.

And she remembers that girl. She knows that girl. That girl was her. That girl is dead.

She can't listen to Paramore anymore because it brings up too many memories. Twice as many as they should, and some that abruptly end. She doesn't like to revisit the moment she went askew.

 

[spock]

I think we like to think of our consciousness as like a well-oiled machine, like an Aston Martin. Because we have our ego telling us that, right. But really, it's more like an old factory made of found spare parts. Like, it all comes together and works for the most part, but it's a little sketch. Sometimes you gotta duct tape something or just do a hard reboot, and no matter what you do the shit ain't gonna last forever.

Point being I guess is that the line being 'awareness' and non-awareness' is maybe not entirely binary as we would tend to imagine?

How are you defining awareness here though? Noticing? thinking? responding? all combined? We correlate awareness to the body because its how we measure the of experience things. Some schools of thought say awareness is a singular phenomenon meaning we are actually part of the same awareness but the individual nature of birth and a body combined with the narratives we build over time to create the identity we think we are, are just constructs and illusions. Ths is pretty much the basis for much of the eastern philosophies and religions.

Its also why many who try certain substances and reach this egoless state say were all one, yadda yadda, well perhaps it's a unified awareness that the self is unconscious or afraid of. (most of the time outside of so-called mystical experiences or levels of meditation, etc. ) Afraid because our "self" thinks and views awareness as "it self" , but seeing what's left once the concepts and constructs of the "self" are stripped away leads to a form of self-death or dissolution. That can be some seriously scary shit for many.

Pushing this kind of discussion into funky places, what if awareness is a property like gravity...?

 

[Extra Sauce]

So what you're saying is that my worst fear of being buried alive which was previously the stuff of improbable horror film scenarios, is basically going to happen for sure now.

 

[JettDash]

How are you defining awareness here though? Noticing? thinking? responding? all combined? We correlate awareness to the body because its how we measure the of experience things. Some schools of thought say awareness is a singular phenomenon meaning we are actually part of the same awareness but the individual nature of birth and a body combined with the narratives we build over time to create the identity we think we are, are just constructs and illusions. Ths is pretty much the basis for much of the eastern philosophies and religions.

Its also why many who try certain substances and reach this egoless state say were all one, yadda yadda, well perhaps it's a unified awareness that the self is unconscious or afraid of. (most of the time outside of so-called mystical experiences or levels of meditation, etc. ) Afraid because our "self" thinks and views awareness as "it self" , but seeing what's left once the concepts and constructs of the "self" are stripped away leads to a form of self-death or dissolution. That can be some seriously scary shit for many.

Pushing this kind of discussion into funky places, what if awareness is a property like gravity...?

Sounds like a bunch of BS with zero backing to me and I like psychedelic drugs.

So what you're saying is that my worst fear of being buried alive which was previously the stuff of improbable horror film scenarios, is basically going to happen for sure now.

Not even close.

 

[spelen]

scientists ...more like scientist

anyway the basis for her announcement is "In 2013 researchers at the University of Michigan looked at the electrical signals inside the brains of nine anaesthetised rats having an induced heart attack"

I think i'm going to need more than just rats to prove this theory.

 

[spock]

I did. Don't misinform. This study was carried out on patients who suffered cardiac arrest. Absolutely incredible. But has nothing to do with brain damage. Screw your brain and you are gone forever.



All you say sounds nice, but is far away from reality. This study supports none of the notions you just described. Far from it.There is no such thing as 'rigid view of science'. Science is the most open language of all. Is ok the be wrong. My points might be wrong, but so yours. Until someone shows us all facts, then I'm skeptical.

My bad, I also agree the article is sketchy and jumping to conclusions. I'm writing more in retort to the argument against the possibilities themselves that some seem to dismiss so easily. What I meant by rigid had to do with acceptable and respected (and funded) fields of study. And less immediate handwaving to crazy ass notions that at least have potential plausibility. Especially in areas of little understanding.

 

[jellies_two]

When France was executing people by chopping their heads off by the thousand, curious executioners asked people to blink for as long as they could.
Many didn't, but some did, for periods of 5 to 20 seconds. Some responded to their names, opening their eyes and focusing, several times, before glazing over,
Nothing to do with souls or voodoo, just biology, I imagine.

 

[double jump]

So basically, if anyone ever dies in my arms, remind them that they're loved and I'm there for them even for a few minutes after they are dead, just to be safe.

Also, can we get a link to a peer-reviewed study in here?

Pressing "F" to pay my respects to this post.

 

[Air]

How are you defining awareness here though? Noticing? thinking? responding? all combined? We correlate awareness to the body because its how we measure the of experience things. Some schools of thought say awareness is a singular phenomenon meaning we are actually part of the same awareness but the individual nature of birth and a body combined with the narratives we build over time to create the identity we think we are, are just constructs and illusions. Ths is pretty much the basis for much of the eastern philosophies and religions.

Its also why many who try certain substances and reach this egoless state say were all one, yadda yadda, well perhaps it's a unified awareness that the self is unconscious or afraid of. (most of the time outside of so-called mystical experiences or levels of meditation, etc. ) Afraid because our "self" thinks and views awareness as "it self" , but seeing what's left once the concepts and constructs of the "self" are stripped away leads to a form of self-death or dissolution. That can be some seriously scary shit for many.

Pushing this kind of discussion into funky places, what if awareness is a property like gravity...?

I do love me some panpsychism

 

[Linkstrikesback]

scientists ...more like scientist

anyway the basis for her announcement is "In 2013 researchers at the University of Michigan looked at the electrical signals inside the brains of nine anaesthetised rats having an induced heart attack"

I think i'm going to need more than just rats to prove this theory.

Funnily enough, it's a bit harder to get ethics to sign off on anaesthetising humans and inducing heart attacks.

 

[cyba89]

"GAF, someone stabbed me in the chest and I think I died. What should I do?"

 

[spock]

There is zero good reason to believe that consciences exists after brain death.

Sounds like a bunch of BS with zero backing to me and I like psychedelic drugs. Not even close.

Some of what I was referring to do involve drugs as well as meditation, various forms of breathing manipulation, etc. I mean you kind of to explore consciousness to explore consciousness?

When we first wanted to learn about the body we examined it, opened it up, explored it, etc. To learn about consciousness we also need to push, pull, etc on it internally and externally.

The way you dismiss ideas, I hope you're not in a field where you need to make new discoveries or push the boundaries. Even in areas I think are horseshit, at worst their improbable. At least to me.

 

[vio]

Fuck this thread,and science this time.

 

[spock]

I do love me some panpsychism

Its indeed interesting food for thought. My thinking is keep exploring and perhaps it will trigger another idea, and perhaps one of them may have a model of truth in the sense that there functional and measurable.

 

[Arkeband]

When France was executing people by chopping their heads off by the thousand, curious executioners asked people to blink for as long as they could.
Many didn't, but some did, for periods of 5 to 20 seconds. Some responded to their names, opening their eyes and focusing, several times, before glazing over,
Nothing to do with souls or voodoo, just biology, I imagine.

Of course this could all be hearsay since there’s no recorded evidence of this happening. Blinking could easily be muscle spasms or rapidly changing fluid physics affecting eyelid response. The brain could also just be sending panic signals everywhere due to the trauma.

“Curious executioners” tall tales should not be trusted.

 

[Ethelwulf]

My bad, I also agree the article is sketchy and jumping to conclusions. I'm writing more in retort to the argument against the possibilities themselves that some seem to dismiss so easily. What I meant by rigid had to do with acceptable and respected (and funded) fields of study. And less immediate handwaving to crazy ass notions that at least have potential plausibility. Especially in areas of little understanding.

No need to apologize I agree that the universe is a crazy place full of awesome surprises. That rigidity that you speak of is in some way necessary. Without it 'any' sketchy paper would get published. I'm also in for new discoveries not necessarily within the boundaries of the status quo. For that are journals like eLife, PLOS computational biology, scientific reports and others, which focus their review rigidity into the validity of the methods and not the impact. All cool man. I'm the most atheist guy you can find in a block, but I'm also 'spiritual'. Love meditation and other things. Awesome and terrifying discovery all around.

 

[JettDash]

Some of what I was referring to do involve drugs as well as meditation, various forms of breathing manipulation, etc. I mean you kind of to explore consciousness to explore consciousness?

When we first wanted to learn about the body we examined it, opened it up, explored it, etc. To learn about consciousness we also need to push, pull, etc on it internally and externally.

The way you dismiss ideas, I hope you're not in a field where you need to make new discoveries or push the boundaries. Even in areas I think are horseshit, at worst their improbable. At least to me.

Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

I knew somebody who had a near-death experience when she was a late-teenager. Her and her friend were speeding and drove straight off the road when they missed a turn and hit a particularly menacing tree. The car was totaled and they both very nearly died.

The person I knew was the passenger. She said she wasn't even aware they were speeding. They were listening to the Riot Album by Paramore. She was really into it and singing along and the impact of the accident was extremely sudden to her. She had zero awareness it was about to happen until they actually crashed.

She described having her entire life pass before her eyes - just like the cliche - and even though it was instantaneous it was a "deep instant." She felt like that single second in time reached deeper beneath a different axis of time and she was able to fully re-experience her entire existence in the moment that flashed after the impact. Then she lost consciousness.

In the wake of the accident and during her recovery, she started to realize she now had two memories of everything that ever happened. There was the original memory from when she first experienced them and the second memory from when she experienced them again during the accident. She felt like she lived her entire life twice, in equal proportion, and had double memories of everything that happened before the crash.

So every time she remembered something from her life before her accident, she would have this sickening deja vu feeling. She described it as a 3D image improperly aligned. There's an image underneath in blue and the same image on top in red, but they don't line up right. They're askew. So the blue memory is all the normal feelings and emotions she felt when the memory originally happened, but the red memory only conjured up feelings of extreme terror. She said it was like looking at old photographs and noticing the grim reaper in every photo. And as you flip through the photo album and see yourself as a baby, and as a little kid, and graduating high school, there is a cloaked figure you never noticed before that seems to be as much the subject of the photo as you are.

But worst of all, she remembered her death.

Her double memories end abruptly at the accident. Everything after the accident she remembers normally. So, to her, this termination points feels like her death. So she remembers a timeline of her life where she was killed at 19. When she thinks about herself, there is a prevailing and nagging thought that she was killed in the accident.

And she remembers that girl. She knows that girl. That girl was her. That girl is dead.

She can't listen to Paramore anymore because it brings up too many memories. Twice as many as they should and some that abruptly end. She doesn't like to revisit the moment she went askew.

This is the most interesting post that I've read in a very long time. Really makes you ponder.

 

[jellies_two]

Of course this could all be hearsay since there’s no recorded evidence of this happening. Blinking could easily be muscle spasms or rapidly changing fluid physics affecting eyelid response. The brain could also just be sending panic signals everywhere due to the trauma.

“Curious executioners” tall tales should not be trusted.

A doctor recorded one in his diary.
And then an army guy in a horrific car crash related what happened to the expression amd eyes In the head of his passenger, which ended up visible, but removed.
I mean if you want to believe consciousness ends the Instant blood pressure drops to zero or blood stops moving of course it's difficult to prove otherwise, but I don't see the big deal about thinking that the brain will struggle on under its own residual power for a little while, and maybe in some cases blissful unconsciousness doesn't trigger. They tested rats already and found brainwaves continued for a short time after a clean fast decaptation.
Not promoting this as any spirituality, just it strikes me as too convenient to say in a messy complex system as we have, that there is a neat "off" switch tied perfectly to cessation of blood flow and blood pressure. A lag may occur,

 

[Morrigan Stark]

ITT:

Last Week Tonight: Science Reporting

...Why do I have a feeling of déjà-vu...

So, summary seems to be "when your heart stops and we manage to bring you back, some people report having heard things we were saying for seconds after their heart stopped."

I think that's a pretty far cry from "your consciousness continues after you're dead." Firstly, because people having near-death experiences who report being aware of the doctors while they were gone is a common thing, that I don't think has much scientific support.

Secondly because, I think most of us would say that a person who's heart stopped isn't really dead yet, if there's brain activity. This just makes me continue to think that using a heart beat as the definition of death is an antiquated idea.

Of course. Brain death has been the real definition of death for a long time. This article is an interesting curiosity for sure, but the sensationalistic way it's being distorted is nothing short of pathetic.

Given the amount of out of body experiences people have this doesn't surprise me at all. Your consciousness can actually separate itself from your body y'all, not just chill inside your brain for a bit after you die.

[evidence needed]

 

[Air]

Its indeed interesting food for thought. My thinking is keep exploring and perhaps it will trigger another idea, and perhaps one of them may have a model of truth in the sense that there functional and measurable.

Yeah absolutely. People get really skittish when you bring up non-materialistic theory's, but I think it's important to explore the boundaries. Science is an ever evolving practice and just because we don't have the tools to discover or understand something now, doesn't mean that will always be the case. As for me, I'm firmly a panpsychist. It's really the only thing that makes sense to me with what we know in about the universe, so stuff like this doesn't surprise me too much, but it's important to be skeptical of science articles about really big topics like this.

 

[DOWN]

This is a bit misleading. This is referring to the period of time in which you heart may have stopped but you still have potential to be resuscitated. Not really dead.

This is the equivalent of those misleading memoirs claiming they saw god while they were dead but the truth is that if you were able to be resuscitated then you didn’t actually die and your brain remained chemically alive and active.

 

[BstnRich]

People in this thread acting like 6 to 12 minutes of delusional dream-state is worse than currently existing in a world where Donald Trump is President.

 

[Omegasquash]

The details of the article state, put simply, that they're looking into it based on some evidence that suggests it.

So the title of the article is correct. The claim is being made by a Dr. who is a director of clinical care and resuscitation at a medical school. I think it's definitely something worth further study. A better understanding of what it's like to "die" is something I'd like to have, anyway.

 

[The Real Abed]

It says "you may hear your death announcement" which implies your ears would still work. Does that mean your eyes might still work too and if you die with your eyes open you can still see? What else still works? Obviously you can't talk. Or move muscles.