Of course not. But it reflects poorly on the company still as working for a company, you become a sort of representative for the company. That's why professional behavior is taught. It especially reflects poorly for Naughty Dog that even had an official statement of not tolerating this behavior. Could be a bad personality read of a new hire, but still you don't want this
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Polygon/Verge writer says Naughty Dog staff said inappropriate things to her (quote)
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Of course not. But it reflects poorly on the company still as working for a company, you become a sort of representative for the company. That's why professional behavior is taught. It especially reflects poorly for Naughty Dog that even had an official statement of not tolerating this behavior. Could be a bad personality read of a new hire, but still you don't want this
well actually if you look up the definition of "hot take"
Soul of the Beast
Member
That doesn't make it true, genius.
Right now all we know is, this could be either real or fake.
NinjaBoiX
Member
It's funny how people live/think inside their own little bubble about things they're passionate about.
Do you really think Joe Public knows who Naughty Dog is let alone knows about these allegations? I've never heard any other allegation apart from this one and even this is from a specific thread on a specific video game forum on the internet.
This isn't common knowledge man, Naughty Dog ain't FIFA.
I would consider unwanted sexual advances in any setting or context still sexual harassment and sexist
benicillin
Banned
It's almost like we should have listened to the women (and men!) telling us for years that the game industry at large has a culture of casual sexism, racism, sexual harassment and sexual assault, so pervasive that it even shows up in "progressive" bastions like Polygon and Naughty Dog.
oh look...come on man
WordsintheWater
Member
Why would someone risk their reputation to say something like this if it wasn't true? Do you guys live that much of a sheltered life that you can't believe this incident? This stuff happens everywhere, it's an epidemic, people do not know how to act.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
okay, I should have also asked if you understand the conecpt. You clearly do not.
Unaha-Closp
Member
Women everywhere in all facets of Life have been treated and continue to be treated appallingly by Men basically forever and everywhere. It's a Worldwide/Human Race Wide problem that has been with us since we have been us. It's a disgusting aspect of the Human Race. I'm a misanthrope though but for good reason as far as I can see.
Pfft, you'll hear this shit in just about any tech company. My second job, one of the managers joked about how I must have slept with someone to get it. HAHA SO FUNNY.
I've been harassed multiple times in multiple IT jobs - just for being a woman in tech.
BTW, there is nothing funny about that "joke". It's humiliating and degrading.
Honestly, and I'm not accusing anyone here, but I think a lot of people who don't realise this is everywhere aren't aware of their own behaviours that contribute.
I didn't start seeing it until I checked my own behaviours and thought process and unpicked all the privilege I could. It's incredible what you can be blind to even when it's right in front of you all the time.
Right.
I know a girl who works in sales for a very large IT security firm. I once asked her how bad it is and she said "as bad as you think it is".
Soul of the Beast
Member
I am not a native speaker and to be honest no one really cares about your flowery word, we are talking about what's real or not real here.
At least I know not to jump onto conclusions.
Agreed, I've had to step back and reevaluate some of my actions that I've used to seen normal and common, but were terrible. Sometimes you don't know you're hurting someone because they can't do anything but laugh from a bad joke.
This is the age of social media which doesn't help, people claim she can't be lying because she is putting her reputation on the line for what she post. Then again, there are a billion garbage tweet on twitter from all kinds of people on a daily basis. Its unfortunately if it did happened and offended her, but people acted like ND is the only company is the world with this short of people and the few people represented the entire company. I might as well assume that Trump represent the entire population of America.
Thankfully he doesn't and America is not a company. That would stereotyping. The problem is working for ND your actions can be seen as a reflection of the company
Theslammer
Member
Absolutely they don't want this. But they also have to know it happened, and we'd also have to know what they did or didn't do. If they knew nothing about this, or if it didn't happen within the company setting, then there wouldn't be a way for them to show their no-toleration attitude toward sexual harassment.
But nothing somebody does in a company reflects poorly on the company to me; it takes more than that. The company actually has to be the one that's corrupt, not simply one of their employees, and I will always refrain from blaming an entire entity or industry until other information comes out to change the story.
re: bad read -- If someone is super talented, you're not necessarily going to know if they say inappropriate things to other coworkers prior to hiring them, another reason why I can't paint a broad brush on a company or industry based on a very inappropriate remark.
The fact its not the only place it happened isnt an excuse, its the problem. Same way Americas questioning itself on how Trump got elected (be it is economics or good old american racism), so do companies need to evaluate why their employees feel that comfortable to say shit like that to a reporter
so you're upset that were focused on this issue dealing with naughty dog and not other companies? on a forum about video games? where people who enjoy video games are likely to congregate? and where news about video games is posted? and this news happens to come from someone working for one of the larger video game websites?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
That would make sense if there wasn't an absolutely clear basis that the people who didn't vote for him were absolutely opposed to him. That's not even up for debate.
Krauser Kat
Member
Chill out. Your "both sides" shtick here is played out.
1. Why would a recognizable journalist lie on a platform like twitter.
2. Why would a woman of any sort lie about being sexually harassed.
3. Why would anyone put their job/career on the line just to throw shade.
The only non shitty responses to this situation are:
Stay silent see what happens. (this is still pretty shitty)
Speak out in support. Listen. Try and discuss solutions to this behavior.
A journalist is using a platform to create pressure to get answers or investigation from a company, about an ugly incident.
Why don't you politely ask her if you really want to know? She might give you some valuable insights.
ClosingADoor
Member
So, few things:
1) She is a journalist, not some random anonymous twitter account
2) You saying things like "if it did offend her" makes it seem like you think the comment is acceptable otherwise.
3) Nobody is assuming Naughty Dog is the only company. There have been dozens of posts saying this happens everywhere.
4) Yes, people in your employment who do these things reflect upon your company. Just like electing Trump reflects upon America.
WordsintheWater
Member
I see examples of it every day here at my job. There's a particular individual who goes around and says inappropriate things to all the women in the office. He does it to every single one of them. I've seen him massage co-workers backs, rub their backs, call them sweetie or baby, kiss the top of their heads. That shit is creepy. Everytime I bring it up, I get the same response, that's just how he is. That's just straight up sad.
Just...wow.
I think that definition of harassment is about the "regular" kind of harassment. So a single "fuck you moron" doesn't count as harassment, but if they keep berating someone at work to make them feel like shit, that is non-sexual harassment.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
:-O
...or... it could simply be that this one asshole made a comment to a reporter outside of work hours on his own time.
Without any more context other than that given in the OP, you'll have to excuse me for being hesitant to want tar and feather and entire 600 person studio for the actions of one shitty person.
It's entirely possible (and extremely likely) that these shitty individuals perpetrate this shit at venues and settings away from work, where they think they'll get away with it; whereas the workplaces they work at don't tolerate this kind of behavior and try to put policies in place to protect women and men from this shit at work.
It's a little naive to think that companies can see and know every little thing about what their employees do and saw 24/7. And even if they could, I would hope that a sensible society would legislate against such powers being exploited by corporations, for the sake of the personal privacy of employees.
Theslammer
Member
I'm a journalist, too, which is why I especially believe her. It would be the worst thing she could do to make a baseless claim against someone she covers.
But she used a tbt hash tag which means "Throw Back Thursday" (which is strange because she posted on a Tuesday). And it was a House of Cards reference. Both indicate that this is something that happened a while back.
I can't see the tweet she was responding to at work, so maybe that puts her response in some kind of context.
This type of things can be (almost) daily to a lot of women. They can just kind of tune it out since it's so common and the know that bringing it up doesn't necessarily lead to anything (since there's not always proof of it happening) and can even be a negative (they are seen as the impossible to work with bitch who can't take "a joke" or whatevs). I imagine a question like "do you fuck with all of your sources" isn't even the worst kind of harassment she has gone through.
what the fuck is this shit.
She's probably recalling a time this happened. She probably didn't tell anyone.
The Ballard incident probably made her remember a time a staff member at ND did this and she's sharing it. That's it.
TurnipFritters
Member
Sometimes people discuss things publicly so other folks will know they aren't alone, that it happens to other people too, and that this kind of behavior is bad, actually.
did you somehow miss the all the harvey weinstein news?
Who goes to the HR for a company they don't work for to report something? The hell kind of suggestion is that?
HR has the company's best interests in mind, you'd have to be really fucking stupid to expect them to do the right thing.
Also in case you've been in a cave at the moment, there's been a huge movement on Twitter empowering women to come out against their past sexual harassers and abusers. This would quietly disappear like any other abuse if she took your horrible advice.
Theslammer
Member
She said tbt to mean Throwback Tuesday in this case. She tweeted it right after the news broke of the other allegation, though from Kotaku's investigation, there was much more to the story than the first person's tweets.
Are we really at "just asking questions" with regards to the exact meaning of TBT and the discrepancy of Oct 17th not being a thursday?
TBT can also stand for "throw back to"
She tweeted the story of regarding sexual harassment accusations towards Naughty Dog made by Dave Ballard - she then replied to her own tweet, saying "tbt ..."
So:
"A story about the allegations of sexual harassment against a member of Naughty dog. ... This takes me back to that one time where a developer of Naughty dog - after i had introduced myself to them as a journalist - literally asked me whether i exchange sexual favours for information relevant to my journalistic job, like that one character in that one TV show"
I really can't spell it out any more clearly now.
Also: If you're really technically limited from even reading the one tweet we're all discussing here in all of its context, why do you consider yourself to be in a position where you'd make a meaningful contribution to this discussion. Especially when your position seems to be along the lines of 'we haven't seen the full picture yet'. It's rather ironic.
Bits N Pieces
Member
No one really cares about your flowery word?
That succinctly sums up your tone and attitude here, you big manly man lol.
Weltall Zero
Member
Is #notallofnaughtydog the new #notallmen?
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
We excuse this type of behavior everywhere. Whether it be on TV or music talking about women and calling them hoes. Until we change the culture as a whole, this type of behavior will continue.
A fan base is fine with calling out someone else as long as it doesnt step on their entertainment.
A fan base is fine with calling out someone else as long as it doesnt step on their entertainment.
Vyse The Legend
Member
A couple thoughts:
1. She has NO obligation to cover ND's ass here. She's not employed by them, and if she wants to talk about something she experienced publicly, that's her prerogative.
2. HR, in most places, is meant to protect the company. Again, she's not an employee there, so it's moot anyway as they have no obligation to reprimand the employee in question, unless they made ND legally liable for something.
To the people asking, what's her motive/goal? You could ask her, but at the end of the day...
There does not need to be one. Someone was reminded of an awful experience they had and tweeted about to the universe. That could be it, and there's nothing wrong with that -- at all.
Cmon...
VibratingDonkey
Member
So what is ND actually doing about this?
All I'm aware of is that they released that clinical, dismissive statement regarding the other sexual harassment case, that made no indication of them doing anything at all.
Some say it's unfair to boycott their games/punish the whole company for the actions of a few. Well if the company's not doing anything about the few, it seems fair to me.
All I'm aware of is that they released that clinical, dismissive statement regarding the other sexual harassment case, that made no indication of them doing anything at all.
Some say it's unfair to boycott their games/punish the whole company for the actions of a few. Well if the company's not doing anything about the few, it seems fair to me.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
and people wonder why victims don't just speak up when things like this happen to them. I haven't read the entire thread but please tell me someone at least hasn't questioned what she might have been wearing at the time.
Weltall Zero
Member
Because he really doesn't want to know. pretendshock.gif
Horrendous joke and it's totally unprofessional, offensive, and indefensible. But technically, I would not classify this as the tort of "harassment" in the legal sense.
Still, this DOES speak to the level of professionalism of the organization as a whole. Make no mistake: Any employee who talks to a reporter does represent the WHOLE organization no matter what they say.
And no one should be defending Naughty Dog by saying "the actions of a few bad apples yada yada." It's their duty to ensure that professionalism is upheld by each of its employees. Again, allowing something like this to happen (if it did indeed happen) would be a failure of the organization, and not just the individual.
You're correct, that is a very hot take and is completely unintellectual. Words have meaning and sexual harassment is a legal term of art with complicated and nuanced contours.
Still, this DOES speak to the level of professionalism of the organization as a whole. Make no mistake: Any employee who talks to a reporter does represent the WHOLE organization no matter what they say.
And no one should be defending Naughty Dog by saying "the actions of a few bad apples yada yada." It's their duty to ensure that professionalism is upheld by each of its employees. Again, allowing something like this to happen (if it did indeed happen) would be a failure of the organization, and not just the individual.
You're correct, that is a very hot take and is completely unintellectual. Words have meaning and sexual harassment is a legal term of art with complicated and nuanced contours.