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Former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush repudiate Trump in speeches

KSweeley

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Both George W. Bush and Obama has spoken out against Trump in recent speeches: https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?e=a3Muc3dlZWxleUBnbWFpbC5jb20=&s=59e9e2a8fe1ff6159ed370bd

George W. Bush has stayed out of the political fray for nine years now, and Barack Obama has kept his head down for the past nine months. On Thursday, both former presidents used major speeches to repudiate President Trump’s brand of politics and approach to the world.

Neither mentioned Trump by name. They didn’t need to. Instead, they preached patriotic sermons that appealed to America’s better angels.

Obama appeared here last night for his first campaign rally since leaving office, stumping for Democrat Ralph Northam ahead of next month’s Virginia governor’s race.

“You’ll notice I haven’t been commenting on politics a lot lately, but here’s one thing I know: If you have to win a campaign by dividing people, you’re not going to be able to govern. You won’t be able to unite them later if that’s how you start,” he [Obama] told 7,500 people at the Richmond convention center. “We’ve got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonize people who have different ideas, to get the base all riled up because it provides a short-term tactical advantage.”

At a George W. Bush Institute event in New York earlier in the day, the former Republican president lamented that discontent has deepened and partisan conflict has sharpened. “Bigotry seems emboldened,” Bush said. “Our politics seem more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication.”

“We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism – forgetting the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America,” the 43rd president added. “We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade – forgetting that conflict, instability, and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism. We have seen the return of isolationist sentiments – forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places, where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge. In all these ways, we need to recall and recover our own identity

Bush spoke for 15 minutes; Obama spoke for 34. Their speeches are especially potent when read together as a bipartisan rebuke of the man who sits in the Oval Office they occupied, together, for the past 16 years. Trump relentlessly attacked Bush during last year’s GOP primaries – blaming him for the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war – and a principal goal of his presidency thus far has been eviscerating Obama’s legacy wherever possible, from health care to the environment and foreign policy.

Bush, who declined to vote for Trump last November, has alluded to many of these points before but never gone as far – at least in public – as he did yesterday. Obama, likewise, has mostly confided his criticism of Trump to tweets or statements sent by spokespeople.

-- Notably, both men chose the word “CRUEL” to describe the state of our politics.

Obama: “Why are we deliberately trying to misunderstand each other and be cruel to each other and put each other down? That’s not who we are!”

Bush: “We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization.”


-- Each nodded to the violence in Charlottesville this summer.

Bush: “Bigotry or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed.”

Obama: “We saw what happened in Charlottesville. But we also saw what happened after Charlottesville, when the biggest gatherings of all rejected fear and hate.”


-- Both drew a line back to the country’s founding and discussed the lessons they take from the Civil War.

Obama spoke to a heavily African American audience in what was once the capital of the Confederacy, near a street still lined with monuments to Confederate generals, a few blocks from the Museum of the Confederacy and not far from the Confederate White House – where Jefferson Davis lived when he was the president of the states in rebellion. Last night, though, the streets of downtown were packed with winding lines of people trying to get a glimpse of our first black president.

“We’re all flawed, but we still try to presume some baseline measure of goodness and decency and patriotism. We look for the good in people, not the worst,” Obama told the crowd. “My father was from Kenya … but … my mother, you trace her lineage and I’m an eighth or ninth or tenth or something cousin removed from Jefferson Davis … I’ll bet he’s spinning in his grave!

Bush alluded to the conflict as a reason not to lose patience with fledgling democracies across the globe that have seen setbacks and retrenchments in recent years. He warned his audience to not underestimate the historical obstacles to the development of democratic institutions and a democratic culture. “Such problems nearly destroyed our country – and that should encourage a spirit of humility and a patience with others,” he said.

-- Both presidents invoked Thomas Jefferson to make the case that America can do better:

“Our identity as a nation – unlike many other nations – is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood,” said Bush. “Being an American involves the embrace of high ideals and civic responsibility. We become the heirs of Thomas Jefferson by accepting the ideal of human dignity found in the Declaration of Independence.”

“We claim all of our history: the good and the bad,” said Obama. “We can acknowledge the fact that Thomas Jefferson … owned and sold slaves, while also acknowledging that he wrote the words, ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…’ We can recognize that, even if our past is not perfect, we can still honor the constitutional ideals that have allowed us to come this far and to keep moving toward a more perfect union.”

-- Both former presidents closed their speeches by making the case against losing faith in democracy.

Bush called self-correction “the secret strength of freedom”: “It is the great advantage of free societies that we creatively adapt to challenges, without the direction of some central authority. … We are a nation with a history of resilience and a genius for renewal. The American spirit does not say, ‘We shall manage,’ or ‘We shall make the best of it.’ It says, ‘We shall overcome.’ And that is exactly what we will do, with the help of God and one another.”

Obama said that America “zigs and zags,” and that setbacks have often followed progress. “That’s what our founders, for all their flaws, understood,” he said. “Our fate is in our own hands. That was the radical idea of America. That we decide our direction. Not some king. Not some despot. But us: the citizens. Our progress does not always go in a straight line. Sometimes we take two steps forward, and we might take a step back. (The founders) understood that too. But the idea of America is not about going backwards. It’s about pushing forward.”


Raising the stakes dramatically in what has been a sleepy gubernatorial contest, Obama sought to frame the Virginia election in 18 days as a referendum on the direction of the country. “We need you to take this seriously because our democracy is at stake, and it’s at stake right here in Virginia,” he said. “You can’t sit this one out. … You are going to send a message all across this great country and all around the world of just what it is that America stands for.”
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Kind of amazing Bush said something he don't think he said anything during Obama's presidency pops up now a lot. Same with Obama he hasn't even been out of office for the full year.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Father of ISIS says negative thing about Trump. I guess that's newsworthy.

The more people in a position of power to shit on Trump and everything about him to the public, the better if you ask me. I'm no fan of Bush but it needs to be repeated over and over and over again that Trump is not the answer and is in fact a huge sign of the problem.
 

Game-Biz

Member
Father of ISIS says negative thing about Trump. I guess that's newsworthy.
No reason to only pick on Bush here. How many brown people and families did Obama destroy? They're both war criminals. Doesn't mean I don't want them speaking out against someone who is 10x worse.
 

AAK

Member
I'd rather that pig of a war criminal responsible for millions of deaths and millions more over the coming decades die a horrible, painful death and not have to see anyone or anything give him any attention.

No reason to only pick on Bush here. How many brown people and families did Obama destroy? They're both war criminals. Doesn't mean I don't want them speaking out against someone who is 10x worse.

While Obama is definitely guilty of having more drone strikes than Bush, there's still a stratosphere of difference between what Bush caused vs what Obama caused. But yes, Obama is definitely guilty too but I'm not in any mood to get into an evils competition.
 
Cute of Bush since most of this fearmongering and jingoism bullshit is directly related to his stint.

Thing is Bush was just a traditional war hawk.

1) he was very quick to repudiate people going after Muslims domestically.
2) He tried to pass immigration reform, and, as governor and like his father, wanted to make it easier for immigrants to get in.
3) He spent a lot of money trying to help Africa with diseases and AIDS in particular.
4) Once again, he did not inflame racial, economic, and political division like Trump. He was a guy hated for his supply-side economic spiel, his wars, and leading us into a massive recession. Trump is hated cause he's not only shown contempt for other countries but his own countrymen as well especially the poor and melanin dense.
 

Keasar

Member
Trump, the great uniter

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whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter also need to throw down. Would be great to have all five of them do it.

George H.W. Bush isn't looking too hot these days. I'm not sure he can even throw down dinner these days, let alone a campaign speech.
 
Thing is Bush was just a traditional war hawk.

1) he was very quick to repudiate people going after Muslims domestically.
2) He tried to pass immigration reform, and, as governor and like his father, wanted to make it easier for immigrants to get in.
3) He spent a lot of money trying to help Africa with diseases and AIDS in particular.
4) Once again, he did not inflame racial, economic, and political division like Trump. He was a guy hated for his supply-side economic spiel, his wars, and leading us into a massive recession. Trump is hated cause he's not only shown contempt for other countries but his own countrymen as well especially the poor and melanin dense.

None of this justifies lying to the nation to enact an illegal war that got tens of thousands of people killed.
 

ReAxion

Member
i saw someone saying that since W didn't specifically say "Trump" he wasn't actually referring to him at all. this all means nothing.
 
It's good to see more people standing up to Trump. I would hope that some of the Republicans that really liked Bush would seriously listen to him here. He doesn't say Trump specifically but he doesn't have to.
 

Lunar15

Member
Doubt this does any significant damage to the base. Think about it, Bush is an "establishment" republican. They're all establishment, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Carter, probably even Reagan.

Trump's not from Washington, so getting ire from "those establishment groups" is probably just music to the base's ears.
 

Window

Member
i saw someone saying that since W didn't specifically say "Trump" he wasn't actually referring to him at all. this all means nothing.
Neither did Obama and the article already acknowledges this but it's not too hard to tell what and who they're speaking in reference to.
 
"If they were so good at being president why did they get fired?"

~time passes~

"Maybe they didn't get fired, maybe they quit or got laid off. We don't know what happened."
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Bush revisionism is dismaying. Villainy is ok, actually, as long as it’s accompanied by propriety!

who's revisioniong? damn near half the thread is about calling him and some about Obama being war criminals.
 

Tarydax

Banned
Ignoring the fact that Bush is a war criminal whose presidency we probably won't recover from in my lifetime...

Bush isn't repudiating shit. He talks about how bigotry is emboldened, but what has he actually done about it? Nothing. He's more than happy to raise funds and campaign for people who are part of the problem, and I don't recall him ever calling out his party's obvious bigotry when he was president (or when Obama was president, for that matter). He's better at painting than he is at condemning bigotry.
 
Bush isn't repudiating shit. He talks about how bigotry is emboldened, but what has he actually done about it? Nothing. He's more than happy to raise funds and campaign for people who are part of the problem, and I don't recall him ever calling out his party's obvious bigotry when he was president (or when Obama was president, for that matter). He's better at painting than he is at condemning bigotry.

Eh, he definitely called out anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant bigotry when he was president. The biggest hate group dominating American politics at the time was Westboro Baptist Church which everyone hated (at least publically). Unfortunately, his administration's lies made it easier for fake news to spread on both sides cause we have an official instance of the federal government lying to us.
 

Swass

Member
Won't Trumps' base just take this as the establishment rejecting their maverick meaning he is doing exactly what they had hoped?
 

Madness

Member
A lot of you do realize that like Iraq, under Obama the very same thing happened with Libya but rather than stay, it is now just a lawless region full of tribal warlords and terrorist training grounds. People in Pakistan and other areas started to call President Obama the drone strike president. He was also very close to overthrowing Assad completely and invading with that red line talk. A lot of you cannot see the forest for the trees. You cannot see how extraordinary it is to have two former Presidents harshly rebuke the sitting one and it becomes about something else. This is in almost every thread. A does/talks about B but then you have to talk about C.

There is a world of difference between George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump as people. At a time when Trump won't even give Puerto Rico aid, Bush had done more other continents like Africa than any others,fighting AIDs, Malaria etc. He was just a bad President unfit to lead who was surrounded by peoole smarter and more evil than him who pulled the strings aka Rumsfeld, Rove. Thw Iraq war will also go down in history as perhaps the greatest military and strategic blunder in US history. We all know that. Now imagine Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. chime in against Trump. How insane that would be that they are all calling Trump a threat to America and American ideals.
 

Raven117

Member
A lot of you do realize that like Iraq, under Obama the very same thing happened with Libya but rather than stay, it is now just a lawless region full of tribal warlords and terrorist training grounds. People in Pakistan and other areas started to call President Obama the drobe strike president. He was also very close to overthrowing Assad completely and invading with that red line talk. A lot of you cannot see the forest for the trees. You cannot see how extraordinary it is to have two former Presidents harshly rebuke the sitting one and it becomes about something else. This is in almost every thread. A does/talks about B but then you have to talk about C.

There is a world of difference between George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump as people. At a time when Trump won't even give Puerto Rico aid, Bush had done more other continents like Africa than any others,fighting AIDs, Malaria etc. He was just a bad President unfit to lead who was surrounded by peoole smarter and more evil than him who pulled the strings aka Rumsfeld, Rove. Thw Iraq war will also go down in history as perhaps the greatest military and strategic blunder in US history. We all know that. Now imagine Bill Clinton and Bush Sr. chime in against Trump. How insane that would be that they are all calling Trump a threat to America and American ideals.
Reasonable post is reasonable.
 

Maxim726X

Member
None of this justifies lying to the nation to enact an illegal war that got tens of thousands of people killed.

... No one said it did?

We're strictly saying that Bush was not the anti-immigrant, isolationist, xenophobic fuckface that Trump is.

Nothing he says or does can forgive the Iraq war, but the revisionist history isn't fair either.
 
Father of ISIS says negative thing about Trump. I guess that's newsworthy.

How about we force once, stop looking gift horses in the mouth? How about we progressives actually except aide in our cause. Even if from people we might disagree with.
 
Obama: “Why are we deliberately trying to misunderstand each other and be cruel to each other and put each other down? That’s not who we are!”

This reminds me a lot of the sentiment in Nate Boyer's open letter from last week. That is, repudiated for being some "both sides" type rhetoric, mixed with "come on, this is America, we're Americans!"

Simply put, it seems like we just hate each other; and that is far more painful to me than any protest, or demonstration, or rally, or tweet. We're told to pick a side, there's a line drawn in the sand "are you with us or against us?" It's just not who we are, or at least who we're supposed to be; we're supposed to be better than that, we're Americans. This doesn't even seem to be about right or wrong, but more about right or left.
 

efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
The more people denounce Trump the better, I don't care who they are and if they've done worse than him. I want him to look as bad as possible to as many people as possible.
From the moment his presidential campaign started the main issue hasn't been morality or integrity or ideals, it's been optics first and foremost.
 

Raven117

Member
How about we force once, stop looking gift horses in the mouth? How about we progressives actually except aide in our cause. Even if from people we might disagree with.

Psh! Get out of here with this reasonable nonsense. I greatly enjoy being a keyboard hero on the internet and chastise all of whom do not meet my purity test while I relish the thought that I am a lion of "liberal" thought. Damnation be to those whom I disagree with as my identity is wrapped in the exclusivity of the elite ivory tower in which I reside through my dedication to anything that is deemed "liberal thought" by those who also reside in the tower. Any semblance of "togetherness" destroys my identity as a fighter, someone who stands up...instead of a reasoned dealmaker who understands progress is not measured by likes and retweets.

So no....I will look that gift horse in the mouth.

sarcasm is pouring on thick here
 

Tarydax

Banned
Eh, he definitely called out anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant bigotry when he was president. The biggest hate group dominating American politics at the time was Westboro Baptist Church which everyone hated (at least publically). Unfortunately, his administration's lies made it easier for fake news to spread on both sides cause we have an official instance of the federal government lying to us.

He was more than happy to benefit from the work of bigots like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh.
 
Bush's efforts in fighting AIDS in Africa is a partial redemption from him in my book.
He does have a human heart, despite the war.

Still a better human than Trump
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
Now people are applying that limpdick "purity test" deflection to people who rightly recognize Bush for the piece of shit he is/was/always will be? Fucking pathetic. Liberals carry that Overton window to the right on their own.

"Bush wasn't awful, he was just a well-intentioned dummy taken advantage of by a bunch of conniving meanies!"

It's like the liberal equivalent of that "WTF I hate the NFL now" meme directed towards Trump supporters.
 

Omadahl

Banned
I'll be the first to admit that I demonized the hell out of Bush; he was the cause of a lot of pain and suffering globally. That being said, he always struck me as empathetic and, at heart, a decent human being. Either way, I'm glad he's saying something now. We need more leaders at least demonstrating to citizens and other countries that the US isn't a complete looney bin.
 

RinsFury

Member
I'll be the first to admit that I demonized the hell out of Bush; he was the cause of a lot of pain and suffering globally. That being said, he always struck me as empathetic and, at heart, a decent human being. Either way, I'm glad he's saying something now. We need more leaders at least demonstrating to citizens and other countries that the US isn't a complete looney bin.

Decent human being? He is an evil, bloodthirsty piece of shit.
 

Iraq remains as much (if not more) the fault of the UK government than it does the US government. Not washing Blair or Bush's hands of guilt to say that, but the UK supplied the awful intel because they wanted to justify the war too.

You can't simply say 'Bush lied!' when it comes to Iraq. Bush was too eager to believe bad intel because he wanted to win where his father lost, isn't as sexy a slogan though, I admit.

If Bush is a comic book villain he's one you can empathize with, who has *understandable* motives. Trump is the Joker.
 
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