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[Vamphuntr]

Does anybody even know if she's actually trying to pass these images off as her own?

And if you think she's bad you should see Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup cans.

EDIT: Goddamn it, it's even part of a pop culture collage. I can't believe I posted in this garbage thread.

https://twitter.com/MeishiSmile/status/920921711435907072

The stuff in this tweet are even worse. She's trying to take credit for a MGMT cover which they've licensed from Maruo. If you scroll down the thread the actual band respond that she's not involved at all and they've licensed it form Maruo.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Yeah with that link for example

"she’s using work for lesser known, niche authors and media who never come up mentioned because it’s very obvious she was expecting to not be found (and has very little to no respect for them). "

So her whole schtick is lifting pieces of art and collarging them, and she's not just using sailor moon, but "lesser" artists, and claiming those lesser artists work as her own.

I just haven't seen any kind of statement, where she's saying "this is my own".

Linking on an instragram account - well that's a blog right? I just haven't seen her explicitly state "This is my own shit".

I mean if her work as an artist is just lifting other peoples work and collarging them, that's fine to me. I just haven't seen her say it yet, I am bad at trawling social media though.

Refusal to admit guilt does not absolve you of it.

 

[Teptom]

#JeanetticallyModified

lol

 

[Oberon]

This is completely antithetical to almost every piece of fine arts since ww2.

Either this is a a statement about the grotesque bombing of civilians by a rising fascist empire, drawn in a style that references early Iberian art, riddled with symbolic iconography, breaking down the form into an abstraction of shapes that still follow tight compositional rules -- itself, part of a larger movement away from rigid modernist art from decades prior as painting further differentiated itself from photography.

Or, "Huh. What a weirdly drawn horse."

All of this is a lengthy aside to that artist making BuzzFeed-caliber quirky art in a dime a dozen gallery.

Actually, I did go a bit too far. I was talkling more about post modern art than modern art. The former makes me think of some young art student trying to make themselves look important without putting the work into it. I have nothing against more abstract and surreal type of art, quite the contrary

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

This is just hilarious (and kinda sad)

Stealing from one of my faves.... grrr.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Wtf am I reading here. Calling out white appropriation of works of art by people of colour,how she does not acknowledge her theft, being praised for her theft, is gamer gate?

This ain't GG, despite both being equally bad.

 

[Meier]

This stuff is frankly very gross. It's one thing to use a cultural icon in a pop art collage (i.e. including Bart Simpson), but she is straight up lifting original pieces verbatim. This goes above and beyond sampling if you will and is definitely theft. The bird and laptop stuff is just so egregious that I frankly cannot believe it.

 

[DOWN]

Eh the full pic changes it a bit...

It’s pop art and clearly uses a ton of famous pics

It’s not like she copied one thing and thought no one would notice. She intentionally has a collage of famous art.

 

[AtomskEater]

Does anybody even know if she's actually trying to pass these images off as her own?

And if you think she's bad you should see Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup cans.

EDIT: Goddamn it, it's even part of a pop culture collage. I can't believe I posted in this garbage thread.

By slapping her name on these works with no credit given for the art she's wholesale lifted from fairly obscure/unknown artists? Gee, I dunno.

I mean, if you wrote an essay in school you should know this. If you lift something from another paper, you attribute it to that paper. Just because you didn't write "everything in this is 100% my original work" at the bottom doesn't absolve you of plagiarism. By signing your name at the top and handing it in you're already implying it's work you've done on your own and anything that you got from other sources is credited properly.

 

[chekhonte]

Refusal to admit guilt does not absolve you of it.

Dude, dude dude! Wait. Look what I found. This dude totally tried to pass off donald duck as his own work. Lets tweet to him about it.

 

[kmax]

Reminds me of Gene Simmons son plagiarizing Tite Kubo's Bleach.

 

[chekhonte]

By slapping her name on these works with no credit given for the art she's wholesale lifted from fairly obscure/unknown artists? Gee, I dunno.

I mean, if you wrote an essay in school you should know this. If you lift something from another paper, you attribute it to that paper. Just because you didn't write "everything in this is 100% my original work" at the bottom doesn't absolve you of plagiarism. By signing your name at the top and handing it in you're already implying it's work you've done on your own and anything that you got from other sources is credited properly.

If the image wasn't completely covered in obvious appropriated images then you might have a point. You might.

 

[AtomskEater]

Yeah with that link for example

"she’s using work for lesser known, niche authors and media who never come up mentioned because it’s very obvious she was expecting to not be found (and has very little to no respect for them). "

So her whole schtick is lifting pieces of art and collarging them, and she's not just using sailor moon, but "lesser" artists, and claiming those lesser artists work as her own.

I just haven't seen any kind of statement, where she's saying "this is my own".

Linking on an instragram account - well that's a blog right? I just haven't seen her explicitly state "This is my own shit".

I mean if her work as an artist is just lifting other peoples work and collarging them, that's fine to me. I just haven't seen her say it yet, I am bad at trawling social media though.




I just assumed this kind of thing was always happening in the art world. There are other mentions in the thread of similiar practices.

Have you ever been so scared by that thing you're piecing together from various sources that you had to take a break?

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Eh the full pic changes it a bit...

It’s pop art and clearly uses a ton of famous pics

It’s not like she copied one thing and thought no one would notice. She intentionally has a collage of famous art.

And if it was only that, she might have the benefit of the doubt.

As already posted in the thread though, she has done this several other times, and the resst weren't in collages.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Refusal to admit guilt does not absolve you of it.

It's not really guilt though, if this is her M.O. as an artist.

I don't follow any kind of instragram crap or any of that stuff or follow posts. The only thing I've seen linked is some attack tumblr, with people launching "GOTCHA" tweets.

I haven't seen anything of hers that she's written saying "This is clearly my work guys"

So is she using those "lesser known artists" with the same regard as the "well known artists"

If everything she does, is strictly, just a lift off everyone else. and then collarged. Then that's her schtick as an artist.

It's like the artistic version of reference humor. Right? Or an omage in the form of a, collage?

 

[Ozigizo]

Does she have anything that's original and not appropriated?

 

[see5harp]

Lot's of people use well known logos or mascots in their artwork but in many cases transform them to subvert. I wonder what GAF thinks about a guy like Wayne White. I do think a lot of his stuff, especially the Pee Wee stuff is brilliant, but I also respect the simple text on thrift store paintings.

 

[Armaros]

Since people are saying that because the image in the OP is fine since it's part of a college you can also check this persons post compiling a lot instances where she uses other peoples work or just straight up reposts it under the context of it being originally by her.

Does anybody even know if she's actually trying to pass these images off as her own?

And if you think she's bad you should see Andy Warhol's Campbell's Soup cans.

EDIT: Goddamn it, it's even part of a pop culture collage. I can't believe I posted in this garbage thread.

Yeah with that link for example

"she’s using work for lesser known, niche authors and media who never come up mentioned because it’s very obvious she was expecting to not be found (and has very little to no respect for them). "

So her whole schtick is lifting pieces of art and collarging them, and she's not just using sailor moon, but "lesser" artists, and claiming those lesser artists work as her own.

I just haven't seen any kind of statement, where she's saying "this is my own".

Linking on an instragram account - well that's a blog right? I just haven't seen her explicitly state "This is my own shit".

I mean if her work as an artist is just lifting other peoples work and collarging them, that's fine to me. I just haven't seen her say it yet, I am bad at trawling social media though.




I just assumed this kind of thing was always happening in the art world. There are other mentions in the thread of similiar practices.

How nice of you both to ignore this post and pretend what she is doing Is above board.

 

[Madness]

This ain't GG, despite both being equally bad.

Because he said he was kind of split on this, I kind of read it as him saying us calling her out,or others calling her out as people no different than gamer gatera or whatever.

 

[Ban Puncher]

What if the theft was the actual artwork and we are all just a bunch of uncultured dullards???

 

[Zoe]

So her whole schtick is lifting pieces of art and collarging them, and she's not just using sailor moon, but "lesser" artists, and claiming those lesser artists work as her own.

I just haven't seen any kind of statement, where she's saying "this is my own".

Linking on an instragram account - well that's a blog right? I just haven't seen her explicitly state "This is my own shit".

I mean if her work as an artist is just lifting other peoples work and collarging them, that's fine to me. I just haven't seen her say it yet, I am bad at trawling social media though.

https://baby-art.blogspot.ca/2017/09/when-you-put-something-on-internet-its.html?zx=f5d85c68c6c65402

a brief clip on youtube sets forth her obnoxious position all too clearly: [inaudible question] ”whatever - the internet - i don't care - everything is everyones - when you put something on the internet it's mine - and this goes for images, tweets, videos, anything... i'll take it - and, um, make it mine - thank you" - this said without the remotest trace of irony! - she's protected and considers herself unaccountable so why should she care?

Not to mention her Instagram is chockful of images that haven't even been traced, and people assume that she drew them herself.

 

[chekhonte]

How nice of you both to ignore this post and pretend what she is doing Is above board.

Not only is it "above board" it's following a tradition of western art that's approaching 100 years old.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Shintaro Kago's art is amazing.

 

[Armaros]

Not only is it "above board" it's following a tradition of western art that's approaching 100 years old.

So taking unknown artists work and passing it off as your own is how it's been done for 100 years?

We are all in the wrong profession then.

 

[chekhonte]

So taking unknown artists work and passing it off as your own is how it's been doing for 100 years?

I can't tell if you're kidding.

 

[jwhit28]

https://baby-art.blogspot.ca/2017/09/when-you-put-something-on-internet-its.html?zx=f5d85c68c6c65402

Well she was right. Look how fast people came to her defense here.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

https://baby-art.blogspot.ca/2017/09/when-you-put-something-on-internet-its.html?zx=f5d85c68c6c65402

Yes but she says "mine" does it mean "Mine to use to put into my popup collarges"

Or mine to go around claiming as my own?

Not to mention her Instagram is chockful of images that haven't even been traced, and people assume that she drew them herself.

Right yeah, but someone is always going to know this - it's the internet. It seems like, a weird kind of lie to go with. Especially in the context of her body of work, no?

Plus it's an instagram blog, is she selling copy pasted images on instagram? or just blogging works of art she likes, that she might use in her future collages

 

[Armaros]

Contrast filter should do the trick.

I can't tell if you're kidding.

Just modern 'brush' technique right?

 

[Ozigizo]

Yes but she says "mine" does it mean "Mine to use to put into my popup collarges"

Or mine to go around claiming as my own?

Thirsty.

 

[peteykirch]

I remember Nick Simmions getting exposed for tracing over Bleach in his comic, shoutouts to gamefaqs for that one.

Dude pretty much copy and pasted shot for shot from Bleach

 

[Slayven]

Yes but she says "mine" does it mean "Mine to use to put into my popup collarges"

Or mine to go around claiming as my own?

Splitting hairs to the micron

"But did she say it "mine" before a judge and a notary public while hopping one leg and patting her belly?"

 

[Trojita]

Yes but she says "mine" does it mean "Mine to use to put into my popup collarges"

Or mine to go around claiming as my own?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Dude, dude dude! Wait. Look what I found. This dude totally tried to pass off donald duck as his own work. Lets tweet to him about it.

That’s a really poor example considering that Donald Duck is an icon, which is quite unlike most of the work in the Tumblr post.

 

[chekhonte]

Just modern 'brush' technique right?

I'm dead serious when I say that I have no idea what point you're trying to make. These 4chan like insinuative insults feel really out of place here.

 

[Ozigizo]

Dude pretty much copy and pasted shot for shot from Bleach

She pretty much copy pasted the art she sells.

 

[Armaros]

That’s a really poor example considering that Donald Duck is an icon, which is quite unlike most of the work in the Tumblr post.

No no no, if you steal a whole bunch of work from realtively unknown artists and then put Bart Simpson or Vader next to it, it canceled out the theft and makes it unique.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I'm dead serious when I say that I have no idea what point you're trying to make. These 4chan like insinuative insults feel really out of place here.

You either need to make your points better or link something that substantially backs the argument that appropration art in this instance is not straight up plagiarism. There’s a line there; draw it.

 

[Ozigizo]

There’s a line there; draw it.

Or at least, trace it.

 

[Staccat0]

She didn't actually add the dog individually, the piece is part of a bigger collage.

Maybe NSFW?

Eh....
This extra context actually changes my opinion.

I like lots of songs with sampling so I can’t be too mad. This is a valid artistic expression I think.

coulda literally cut them from printed works and nobody would give two shits how she kit-bashed them together.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Splitting hairs to the micron

"But did she say it "mine" before a judge and a notary public while hopping one leg and patting her belly?"

Right but it's similiar to a DJ going "hey when you put your tunes up on there, I'm gonna take them and use them"

is the DJ pretending that the music he's playing is his that he's produced?

At one point before I didn't know better, I thought DJ Shadow was really amazing, then I got smarter and realized what was happening.

There's a similarity there that I think people are being far too obstinate to get their heads around to be honest.

 

[Armaros]

I'm dead serious when I say that I have no idea what point you're trying to make. These 4chan like insinuative insults feel really out of place here.

You are defending her passing off other work as her own as 'how it's been done for almost 100 years'

Will you defend my example of what she has done? Or are you going to post more nonsense?

 

[chekhonte]

You either need to make your points better or link something that substantially backs the argument that appropration art in this instance is not straight up plagiarism. There's a line there; draw it.

Sure. Jacob's Ladder used images from Joel Peter Witkin photographs with out crediting him. None of which I can post here. I'd use art examples but I understand that you guys are going to need a very concrete example or you'll just deflect.

 

[El Odio]

Insane that there's people willing to defend this. Uncrediting an artist when posting their work around is a real bullshit thing to do ESPECIALLY when you try to label yourself as an artist. It's made worse by the fact that in many instances when she does so the context of her posts basically claim ownership of the work. The fact that everytime someone calls her out on it she hides her Instagram, twitter etc until it calms down again rather than explain herself is very telling.

 

[TeamLeftMatch]

Yes but she says "mine" does it mean "Mine to use to put into my popup collarges"

Or mine to go around claiming as my own?



Right yeah, but someone is always going to know this - it's the internet. It seems like, a weird kind of lie to go with. Especially in the context of her body of work, no?

Plus it's an instagram blog, is she selling copy pasted images on instagram? or just blogging works of art she likes, that she might use in her future collages

Man is your brain a Olympic athlete, because thats some fucking mental gymnastics right there.

If you want to claim that she's doing a college or some shit so it's ok for that to exist the may I refer you to Trojita's post

Contrast filter should do the trick.

But it should be ok because she moved the brush slightly and added some contrast. She didn't explicitly state it's hers, so she can use it if she wants.

 

[jwhit28]

Eh....
This extra context actually changes my opinion.

I like lots of songs with sampling so I can’t be too mad. This is a valid I think.

Music is a lot more identifiable, plus you can look in the album details and find the source for every sampled sound on the album. If it isn't done right you pay the cost.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/10/blurred-lines-pharrell-robin-thicke-copied-marvin-gaye

 

[Kelsdesu]

Have you ever been so scared by that thing you're piecing together from various sources that you had to take a break?

This looks like a watered down version of something Kim Jung gi does.

 

[Staccat0]

Music is a lot more identifiable, plus you can look in the album details and find the source for every sampled sound on the album. If it isn't done right you pay the cost.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/10/blurred-lines-pharrell-robin-thicke-copied-marvin-gaye

I don’t have a strong opinion about IP laws. Just artistic expression.

For me, I can’t get too mad at collage work.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

There's absolute proof and examples of what she is doing yet the ones defending her are somehow ignoring it because?
It's an argument for the sake of argument.

She's a thief. End of.

 

[Ozigizo]

There's absolute proof and examples of what she is doing yet the ones defending her are somehow ignoring it because?
It's an argument for the sake of argument.

She's a thief. End of.

She's pretty, therefore innocent.

 

[Whompa02]

Damn...the more I look at it the more conflicted I am of it. It's very VERY similar to the original art, yet the whole composition is more of a celebration of other things?

So while I think it's totally scummy, it might legally be okay. I'm still sad that she didn't transform it any further than just basically copying it.

I think she could have gone further. Instead of celebrating other art by copying it, she should have done something inspired by it.