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Waypoint: Inside the Sexual Misconduct Allegations Rocking NeoGAF's Last 48 Hours
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Patrick Klepek is someone who actually cares about his career and reputation, unlike the subject of the article he wrote.
hey_monkey
Banned
Deleting all of OT was the bullshit move of a coward. So many communities scrambled this weekend to retrieve things they'd created over the years - guides, art, more. So much knowledge and so many contributions lost.
Fuck this entirely. I'm out. Anyone who supports anything the Gaslighter in Chief profits from, that's on you too. Everything that's lost is on you, along with whatever else he does for self preservation, because he's sure not doing it for you.
Good luck if you stay. I won't.
Fuck this entirely. I'm out. Anyone who supports anything the Gaslighter in Chief profits from, that's on you too. Everything that's lost is on you, along with whatever else he does for self preservation, because he's sure not doing it for you.
Good luck if you stay. I won't.
Naudyboy16
Member
Sexual harassment is nothing to joke about or take lightly but this part of the story sounds fishy as hell. Clearly she wasn't comfortable with the shower incident and from what it appeared to read as, it was certainly an incident caused by him. But they both spoke about it afterwards and moved beyond it (?) He went into the shower after her, she said no and he left the shower(?) Is that how I'm supposed to understand that segment?
It definitely reads like he wanted some type of Sexual activity but when she declined he left. Yet somewhere later on she does constent to the both of them having sex. The prior incident must not have been as bad as it reads if she later decided to have a Sexual relationship with him.
Everything else beyond that with what happened at E3 sounds a lot like "he said, she said." Regardless, Sexual harassment shouldn't be taken lightly, and Malka's prior incident at the bar doesn't help his claim.
It sucks that the site has to suffer due to his personal problems and life, but I can see why the forum moderators and members have lost interest on this site.
BrutishMrFish
Member
It is if you're Evilore.
It's really difficult man. I lean really far left on almost everything and I hate being made to feel like I'm a bad person because I don't support the character assassination witch-hunt nonsense. He fucked up, they reconciled in private, that should've been the end of the story.
nuclearaddict
Banned
I guess laws against people flashing others are just waaaaaay overblown, right? Are you guys shut ins?
A.Romero
Member
My opinion regarding these subjects is not what is shared by the modern wave of ultrasensitive - PC culture. However to me this changes everything.
In my opinion the guy made his move on her, she rejected him and he took off. What's the problem? I understand it is invasive for someone to jump into the shower with you but it's not like he was trying to force himself on her and this whole reaction would make anyone think it was like that.
And, if on top of that, the girl eventually did have sex with him... Well, I guess it wasn't that traumatic experience. I'm not doing victim blaming but if you feel someone sexually assaulted you, it's kind of idiotic to continue traveling with the guy and even worse to end up sleeping with him. People that think that this is possible have no clue about what (real) sexual assault means for a person.
I know that I'm risking being banned for talking about this subject but in a sense I feel is kind of poetic this is happening. The community has been affected by hypersensitivity for a long time and a lot of people have been crucified for shit similar to this. Overreacting to stupid shit has been a staple of NeoGaf for a while.
I never cared for drama like this before so I'm not leaving this site. I really hope this puts shit in perspective for everyone who is quick to call for pitchforks. This is not a second chance for Evilore, it's a second chance for the community. Let's try to man up and behave like fucking adults and recognize real traumatic experiences as they are and stop trying to make any stupid sexual (or otherwise) advance into a rape attempt. Shit like that doesn't help real victims.
Let's talk about some fucking games. NeoGAF is the best community in my opinion. Let's try to keep it that way.
skullmuffins
Banned
If you don't support character assassination you should have a real big problem with his response in the waypoint article.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
So according to the story, this girl had a consensual relationship with Tyler after the shower thing? Doesn't sound like she was too traumatized by it.
Yearsoflurking
Member
😂😂 the anti "social justice warrior" people always get me. Be mad at people for standing on the appropriate side of the fence instead of supporting the accused. If evilore is innocent he should prove himself which he hasn't
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
To anyone who's unaware: There's a successor forum going up called "ResetERA" that should be up by the end of the week. Similar in structure to GAF, with a Games section and OT section, and a lot of the old GAF userbase is planning on flocking there once it's up.
If you're looking for a similar place to talk games, movies, TV, etc. that'll be a solid place to go. Plus you don't have to support Tyler, which is of course a huge plus.
If you're looking for a similar place to talk games, movies, TV, etc. that'll be a solid place to go. Plus you don't have to support Tyler, which is of course a huge plus.
This would have been (and rightfully so) an instant ban on old GAF
Yea that was an eye-opener as I assumed the shower was a one and done incident that pushed her away from him for good, enough to be so disgusted, shamed, and violated that the mere presence of him shakes her moral center to cut off contact permanently. That isnt the case seemingly.
Agreed with Patrick that the handling by Malka for a lot of allegations in the past does paint a troublesome picture beyond this individual and allegation though, but the continued relationship as described certainly raises concerns for the allegations.
Yeah seriously. She sounds rational and downplays everything and he goes nuts on her. I couldnt believe it when reading that...
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
It's a fantastic article.
No. Its Not. He is right. We need PROOF.
Naudyboy16
Member
Completely agree with you on this, if they had never spoken about this incident and had left it at that, I could see the out rage. But the fact that they got together and spoke on the issue, I feel like that sort of takes the power out of this claim. Why bring something up that's been reconciled in private unless you're still harbouring anger and resentment over it, which means you truly never resolved it.
Now the E3 claim, that's completely understandable because she saw something she didn't like with how he was pursing this other lady and she felt disrespected with how he portrayed his relationship to her.
Regardless this is a bad situation and probably should of never happened in the first place by Malka.
Yeah that's fair tbh, I can definitely understand people having a problem with his responses and honestly there are some pretty clear behavioral patterns across them. I still don't think any of what he said or did warranted the news exploding across the internet or a mass exodus from the site, and painting the whole story as "sexual misconduct" is almost misleading imo.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Stoooop with the advertising. No one wants to go to there. Good lord.
Crash55118
Member
His response of pretty much "She is mentally ill" kind of changes the narrative from mistaken intentions/situation to fucking asshole. The guise of social progressiveness that the site has build over the past few years is kind of out the door, and those that came here for that are pretty justified by the actions and statements of an owner that no longer aligns with what the site has become.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
Indeed, there is a $10,000,000 question embedded into that detail of the story. For all the praise the Klepek is receiving for getting the scoop, he throws that line out there in a single paragraph, dangling.
How do you do the interview and not ask her why she had sex with him? Or, perhaps Klepek did ask her and did not publish that information?
The question(s) linger(s).
A.Romero
Member
People asking for proof are demented. The only FAIR system is the one where everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
There are some allegations and that's it. I wonder how this case would stand in an actual court of law with a jury made of regular people instead of hypersensitive folks.
Regretfully there has been a culture in GAF where an accusation is enough to start a witch hunt so I guess that the community is just being their same old self and the target just happens to be Evilore.
There are some allegations and that's it. I wonder how this case would stand in an actual court of law with a jury made of regular people instead of hypersensitive folks.
Regretfully there has been a culture in GAF where an accusation is enough to start a witch hunt so I guess that the community is just being their same old self and the target just happens to be Evilore.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
Yep, guilty until proven innocent. That's how our system works! /s
Yearsoflurking
Member
Some? There have been multiple allegations against him over the years, even some he shared
eBay Huckster
Member
which is why upwards of 80% of the posts in the past hour that aren't account suicides have been from burner accounts
rocketskates
Member
Whoa we live
Frankie Williamson
Member
Malka is scum.
Have fun with future gamergate headquarters Gaf.
Have fun with future gamergate headquarters Gaf.
RiverShell
Member
It's sickening that you turned out to be much of what this place seemed to be against.
metalslimer
Member
This is the best article on the whole thing so far. Good job Klepek.
Also, I'll just say that even if they had a consensual sexual relationship afterwards, doesn't mean that there couldn't have been anything fishy beforehnad.
Also Klepek makes a good point that the first comments on this should not have been to a journalist
Also, I'll just say that even if they had a consensual sexual relationship afterwards, doesn't mean that there couldn't have been anything fishy beforehnad.
Also Klepek makes a good point that the first comments on this should not have been to a journalist
Do you know for a fact its deleted?
Victims do these things sometimes. Im not sure why this is hard to understand. I tried to make friends with a lot of the bullies I had in school and had friendly times with them only to have things backfire further. My strange choices toward these people didnt make previous bullying ok. This piece of news doesnt make the previous incident ok either. Domestic abuse victims rationalize away the abuse, too. Thats how humans respond sometimes.
A.Romero
Member
To be honest I didn't know about any of that before last Sunday but the idea is still the same: where is the proof? Has there been any proper process?
NONE.
You know why? Because luckily the law doesn't work like that in real life.
This girl could have called the police then, the next day or whenever. She never did. Instead apparently she traveled with him and continued to be friends for some time.
Does that sound like a traumatized person? How do you think something like that would look in front of a SANE jury?
Crash55118
Member
Read the fucking article?
"Malka called it "totally harmonious and consensual."
So no denial of the act, which does not imply consent at all. Not sure where the witch hunt is when both parties agree on the series of events? Entering a shower uninvited, and naked and being told to leave really doesn't jive with a harmonious and consensual encounter.
skullmuffins
Banned
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for conviction in a criminal court. If you're suggesting we can only think people are creepers if there is enough evidence to put them in jail, you're gonna let a lot of really bad people off the hook. Sexual harassment and assault frequently happens in one-on-one encounters where there is not going to be "proof" of anything one way or another unless the victim has been exposed to this repeatedly by the same person and manages to record it in some way.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
She said no.
He left her alone.
Then she said she was upset that he left her alone.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
That is the crazies thing about this whole thing. Of course sexual assault/unwanted sexual advances are bad and always will be, but it seems the shower incident didn't bother the accuser enough since she still had sex with Evilore afterwards. Still being friends or acquaintances with him after? That could happen. But still having sex after? Seems unbelievable to me especially when you consider the accusatory post on Facebook and the tone of it/how it was written.
Domestic abuse victims go home to their abusers all the time. That doesnt prove theyre not victims.......
Phoenix RISING
Banned
The "kill them with kindness" approach is a tried and true thing, but then people can still be scumbags. Ok, that makes sense.
But you're equating being nice or friendly with jumping in the bed with someone. That's quite the leap. Gonna have to walk us through this one.
LightningXCE
Member
You've never had to deal with trauma or sexual harassment directed towards you, have you?
skullmuffins
Banned
It's not really that unbelievable if you understand the dynamics of sexual harassment or assault.
A.Romero
Member
Of I totally agree. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong (you can check my first post, if you care). However, it seems to me that everyone is behaving like he actually raped a person or something.
I mean, he made a mistake and apparently they moved on afterwards. Even the "assaulted" girl seems to be less offended than the rest of the community. She continued traveling with him while people here act like if he killed their dog.
I just think this is a huge overreaction from most people and only deserved by GAF itself by harboring this way of thinking for years. I truly hope the community can survive.
And you're back at this forum, everybody makes mistakes. You even have more information than she did.
I mean, he did use the term "SJW".